And now I'm back to your first point. You are one of the few people who have played FM4 that raises these issues, its the same strawman you are bemoaning above.
No, there are quite a few people who dislike FM4 quite a bit because of a number of issues, but some of them had the same remarks I do. Maybe they're lying and made things up because they're jealous of Forza's livery editor, which I am too, but that would be a very treacherous call. FM4 doesn't feel like GTR, LFS or other racing games, at least to me, and quite a few others. If anything, it feels a lot like Enthusia, which has also had quite a bit of poo flung at it here, from me too, and garnered a very small following among racers. I notice you're one of those odd birds, which might explain a few things.
GT5 is the first title in the series for me that totally fails to put me on the track and in the car. What I would agree with is that Kaz and PD need to stop buggering about with things and get back to what made the rest of the series so damn good.
GT:HD and GT5
was such positive indicators for GT5 that I still to this day struggle to understand just how much they messed it up.
I find this to be a baffling statement, because it's a nearly universal opinion that GT5 is remarkably refined over GTHD and Prologue. I liked them both too, but I find the car dynamics to be much more real in GT5.
I had been lamenting how much safer GT5 felt over the time-restricted Time Trial Demo, until I took a 350Z on street tires around the Indy Infield, and found the experience to be almost exactly the same. Now, I had mentioned back when we were wrangling over FM4 last year that GT5 does indeed feel safer overall and the cars more solidly planted to the road than they do in FM4. Perhaps you forgot that I mentioned that the engine noises were very good, and the tire squeals were so convincing that I actually smelled burned rubber while playing it!
But, maybe you forgot that I mentioned that the engine noises were much TOO good... in fact, much TOO LOUD. In fact, ANNOYINGLY loud so that I couldn't hear my tires until they started squealing because even a VW Beetle sounded like it had a Borla muffler! Watch replays of sports cars, and the other cars would go puttering around the track nicely, and then along came MY ROARING BEAST drowning them out, and was why I didn't modify any of my cars' mufflers, because it just got worse.
There is something very different about Forza that isn't the same for any other racer. For some, it's a delightful change, but for others, it's either disconcerting or even flat out ruins the experience. I'm not the only one who has said this. I'm just the one who worked harder at it to give it a chance, and was the most vocal about it. The rest probably just ignored it altogether or feared being reported over it because some of the fans amazingly are as touchy about their baby as GT fans are theirs.
I find it very strange how things play out here, that people can bring out the shortcomings of GT5 and dialog about how those issues make it less satisfying or even hated by fans of other racers. But God forbid anyone have something negative to say about Forza on a GT board. Why, that's just a sin against nature or something. Innit.
Which brings me to...
So anyone who has an opinion on how GT should evolve is a tinkering rabble, particularly if they also favour Forza?
Nice.
Do you REALLY like Top Gear Bowling?? Seriously?
I think you guys who want an open door to some Team PD chat lounge are forgetting that there are plenty of reports on how this and other boards with Gran Turismo sections are browsed by one or a few people from Polyphony themselves. Perhaps even Kaz. Perhaps even by people in SCE paid to sample the public sentiment from day to day. Some of you guys act like Kaz never made a single update to GT5, or has a Twitter account.
Does GT4 have NOS? Does GTHD and GT5 have drift trials? Has GT5 been beefed up with more European and American cars in the list?
But no, Kaz and Team Polyphony pay NO attention to what their fans want... sure.
And no, I don't like Turn 10's attitude, or the Forza fans. SUPERCARS SUPERCARS SUPERCARS!! We're lucky that people have been touting how awesome it is that we can race in 240ZXs, because otherwise I suspect that Forza would just be Need For MSpeed. And anything below 350hp would be like BWAHAHA!! THAT car?! See if you can even SMELL the exhaust of my hopped up VEYRON!! BWAHAHA!!!
Even in GT5 I see that has crept into the psyche, because I'd go poking around for an online game, and wade through 500hp races, Drift, Cat n Mouse servers... augh. No, I don't want kids throwing tantrums at the PD team because there's no Demolition Derby or Stunt Modes. We bring up plenty of sensible stuff here for them to pick through.
Quite frankly PD need input as based on the past standards they had GT5 has fallen well short for many of us. I would much rather we had the same tinkering rabble if it gets GT back on track, because right now that rabble has for quite a few resulted in a lot stronger title with much better physics in the series called Forza.
Yep... no bias there...
I do want Forza around to drive Kaz and the team, because the things that have been creeping into Gran Turismo are very nice, and I want that livery editor to creep in with GT6. And a real track maker to creep in like the one from ModNation Racers, just high deffed. But Scaff-O, carrying on like Forza has not a thing to dislike about it is to live in a fantasy land, like so many of you guys accuse us of. There's a lot of dislike cast in Forza's direction, and it's not all jealousy, not by a long shot.
I like how a number of people act like gt6 can only be good if it comes out on ps4.
Just my .02 but I bet ps3 to ps4 is way less dramatic of an upgrade than ps2 to ps3 was. It will probably be more about all the gimmicky stuff the system will be able to do and less about performance capabilities.
I don't get the attitude of I will only get gt6 if I get to spend an extra $600 first.
Few things:
GT5 is pushing the PS3 pretty hard, to the point that even particle effects cause nasty glitches around the edges of objects. I suspect part of that is the ever present 3D capability, some is the insistence on 1080p, and there are a TON of polygons running around the screen, between cars and the trackside. And that's not the only reason I want GT6 to be on PS4.
- Better graphics, with much better lighting and particle effects. Solid framerate, and true 1080p, not stretched 1080p. Backgrounds with more active objects and more realism, such as with trees, flags and spectators.
- More cars per race. Maybe 32, even online!
- Better physics and A.I. - admittedly, this will probably be minor, but that's still something.
- Livery Editor, finally!
- A good damage model, which may run in real time and be fully dynamic.
- That Movie Maker.
And that's just a few things a PS4 would bring to the party.
As for the cost of the PS4, people keep bringing up that silly $600 figure. Is that what WiiU is going to sell for? Doubtful, probably more like $299 or $349. And I'd be very surprised if the PS4 or NextBox will come out over the $399 price point. Right now, you can get an AMD eight core 3.1 ghz CPU for $170, and corporations who would have a similar CPU mass produced for them would pay much less per chip. The GPU won't have to run graphics at 2160P@500hz, so can be more basic, run cooler and be very cheap. 4GB of fast ram is very little. Forget that $600 price tag, that's not gonna happen.
Anyhow, got some fiction to write...
