I did not mean it like that Scaff my bad, but I have been on GTP for a long time (my favorite site) and it seems like everybody is taking shots at GT which in the end is cool because people can do what ever they want to do. But to say I'm pitching flame bait and non sense isn't harsh a bit from the evidence not only in this thread but other too?. Look at the threads around here "Who will not buy GT6" "Who is moving to a better sim" Even the E3 thread got crazy in the end before it was locked. Why can't it be who will not/will buy GT6? I think we already have a similar thread on here discussing the topic. Also I'm cool playing more sims, but why does it have to be better sims? These are just example I was talking about the negativity lately. There are people who have great threads on how to improve GT series and I am all for it but the couple of weeks have been pretty rough on this the Planet that all I am saying. Some people have legatime gripes with GT and that cool I also have problems with GT5, but some people are posting GT will eat FM dust ect is not taking it overbored? This is all I am saying, the threads lately have been pretty negative not contructive at all. Again maybe I woreded it wrong I did not mean no harm.