Who will not buy GT6?

[Mac K]

I don't want play Forza. I want PD to move their lazy a** and fix some dumb issues with the game. No, I'm not asking more premium cars. I just want to select my AI opponents vehicles so I can prevent the retarded grid of Le Mans from the 60's + Super GT's. We want easy fixes for stupid issues. We pretend logic and common sense. PD lacks of common sense.

It's one thing to constructively criticize, it's another thing to start hurling insults and using "retarded" (really?) and other things. Come on now, grow up a bit and debate about this, no need to make a fool of yourself over something like this. Just a tip

 

[HKS racer]

What games? I only play GT and FM? I understand what your saying but do you program for PD or anybody? Is it really that easy to implement? I don't know anything how PD works their system so it's not fair for me to say what is easy to implement for them or any developer.

Changing classes doesn't require programming skills you don't need to learn C++. You can do that with GTR2, rFactor and every other PC racing game with customizable files. GT and FM are hardcoded but they could let people change stuff anytime they want.

This is an example of the last part of a typical GTR2 .car file

Number=03002
Team="Konrad Motorsport"
PitGroup=""
Driver="Franz Konrad"
Driver1="Franz Konrad"
Driver2="Walter Lechner"
Description="Saleen S7-R"
Engine="Ford 427 CI V8"
Manufacturer="SALEEN_S7R"
classes="FULL, 2003, GT_2003, AM, SALEEN, Barcelona, MAGNY_2003, Enna, BRNO_2003, DONI_2003, SPA_2003, Anderstorp, OSCHERS_2003, Estoril, MONZA_2003, CC003"

As you can see there are no code just simple references. Then these classes refer to .GDB files. For instance, first paragraph of the 24h of Spa 2003 .GDB file

Game Name = Proximus 24 Hours of Spa 2003
Game Filter = AND: Spa_2003

SpecialClasses
{
GT_2003 = FIA GT 2003
NG_2003 = FIA NGT 2003
G2_2003 = Proximus G2 2003
NG3_2003 = Proximus G3 2003
}

Parts in red is what makes a particular car taking part to a particular event.
Blue specifiy the class (in GTR2 there are multiclass racing)
I used colors to point out. As you can see it's super easy.

and using "retarded" (really?) and other things

Yes REALLY.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Yes REALLY.

No, not really. Find a better way to word your frustration without using those terms, or find yourself on holiday from the site.

 

[Zer0]

That's all fine, but please keep in mind that none of these threads/posts have broken the AUP, and as such don't deserve to be singled out.

As you say you have been here a while and should be able to remember that none of this is new, we had similar posts with GT4 and GT3 before that.

Scaff, in my opinion the forum would be a much quality place with an extra AUP rule, like all the big discussion forums have.

This is from neogaf.

B. Trolling

Trolling is considered to be the act of purposely being disingenuous to an active discussion. Negative commentary on given topics is by no means disallowed; however, such comments should attempt to be substantiated. No matter your supposed intent, if the forum administrators perceive you as a troll making unsubstantiated comments in an attempt to provoke the community, actions may be taken by the administrators.

The GTP AUP worked very well in the past when GTP was a little community but now simply it's not enought.

I have been nearly ten years in GTP, and some others previously in the deceased www.granturismo.com and I have never experienced a general rage, insults and ignorant claims to the series, and most of that come from self proclaimed non GT players or people that don't care about the series. Just posting to infect or bomb any positive thread with the excuse of not liking the game. Everytime with the same arguments.

I know that I should not speak about any mod but I also have noticed that in any involved FM discussion in the GT section some of them when enter in the discussion are more sensitive about anything not positive said about FM than GT. Even I think that some mod have broken this AUP rule with me when in other thread I disagreed to some FM4 fan praises over GT5.

• You will not behave in an abusive and/or hateful manner, and will not harass, threaten, nor attack any individual or any group.

It's the VIP forum more like the old community? maybe I'm missing the old, adult and respectful GTP and I don't know... just a place in GTP where I can publically say that I like the game without the fear of being ashamed would be enought for me.

 

[Scaff]

Scaff, in my opinion the forum would be a much quality place with an extra AUP rule, like all the big discussion forums have.

This is from neogaf.


The GTP AUP worked very well in the past when GTP was a little community but now simply it's not enought.

I have been nearly ten years in GTP, and some others previously in the deceased www.granturismo.com and I have never experienced a general rage, insults and ignorant claims to the series, and most of that come from self proclaimed non GT players or people that don't care about the series. Just posting to infect or bomb any positive thread with the excuse of not liking the game. Everytime with the same arguments.

The AUP is fine as it is in this regard and to be honest the comment you are aiming at other could just as well be turned around in regard to some of your comments in the Forza sub-forums.

Both sides of the community push the AUP at time and when they do the staff have all the tools we need to deal with the situation.

I know that I should not speak about any mod but I also have noticed that in any involved FM discussion in the GT section some of them when enter in the discussion are more sensitive about anything not positive said about FM than GT. Even I think that some mod have broken this AUP rule with me when in other thread I disagreed to some FM4 fan praises over GT5.

• You will not behave in an abusive and/or hateful manner, and will not harass, threaten, nor attack any individual or any group.

If you feel a mod has broken the AUP then simply PM Jordan or a member of the Admin team who will look into it for you.

It's the VIP forum more like the old community? maybe I'm missing the old, adult and respectful GTP and I don't know... just a place in GTP where I can publically say that I like the game without the fear of being ashamed would be enought for me.

The VIP forums are not that different and I have to say that from personal experience its a lot tougher being someone who favours Forza over GT here than it is the other way around. Keep in mind that most FM4 players here have also played GT5, the opposite is far from the case.

 

[count_dynamo]

ill be buying it without hesitation, mainly because
1- the gt series sparked my deeper love of cars and racing during my childhood
2- it, in MY opinion, is still one of the better racing games out there, and, as Kaz himself stated, GT5 was incomplete, and a complete re-do of many GT features, primarily physics. being that GT5 will be used as a base for GT6, ill be odering a collectors or signature addition pre order well before the game release
not sure why there are so many of these well before anything of GT6 has been released

then again, im crazy tired and half of what i said probably does make a whole lot of sense

 

[JoeH187]

I'll be in line waiting for GT6! GT5 is an amazing game, enjoyed it since day one have had so much enjoyment from it.

GT6 would be next level, can't wait. As with the internet age, you get all kinds of knuckle heads complaining about this and that. Seriously, the game with couple a DLC's doesn't even equal a $100. XL even comes with the DLC.

For way less than the price of a nice dinner you we've had almost two years of racing enjoyment. Seems like a sweet deal to me.

 

[Zer0]

The AUP is fine as it is in this regard and to be honest the comment you are aiming at other could just as well be turned around in regard to some of your comments in the Forza sub-forums.

Both sides of the community push the AUP at time and when they do the staff have all the tools we need to deal with the situation.



If you feel a mod has broken the AUP then simply PM Jordan or a member of the Admin team who will look into it for you.




The VIP forums are not that different and I have to say that from personal experience its a lot tougher being someone who favours Forza over GT here than it is the other way around. Keep in mind that most FM4 players here have also played GT5, the opposite is far from the case.

Scaff you surprise me. I always have exposed my arguments in a educated form and with many factual examples and you say that I'm insulting, posting with rage and not knowing what I was exposing? I don't understand you sincerely. If all the people not liking some GT5 aspects or the whole game would expose the things like I did in the Forza forum I would have no problem with GTP and my previous post would not exist, even I will enjoy all that reads as an another point of view. Instead some AUP rules were ignored and I received even insults with passive mod action.

I know that some of you are also moderating forzaplanet, and I know that some mods are heavy Forza supporters but I would not expect that sincerely. I'm not a man of calling the moderation as I see them reading and posting in the threads and I expect they know when something is not allowed by the AUP, game tastes aside.

By my experience playing GT don't make any Forza supporter a GT expert, I'm tired of correcting false claims from them here and in the Forza section. And I mean with factual proofs, not just my word or opinion. But well I guess we will disagree in how the things are working now but it's not my forum so no discussion. Anyway thanks for the reply.

 

[Scaff]

Scaff you surprise me. I always have exposed my arguments in a educated form and with many factual examples and you say that I'm insulting, posting with rage and not knowing what I was exposing? I don't understand you sincerely. If all the people not liking some GT5 aspects or the whole game would expose the things like I did in the Forza forum I would have no problem with GTP and my previous post would not exist, even I will enjoy all that reads as an another point of view. Instead some AUP rules were ignored and I received even insults with passive mod action.

I know that some of you are also moderating forzaplanet, and I know that some mods are heavy Forza supporters but I would not expect that sincerely. I'm not a man of calling the moderation as I see them reading and posting in the threads and I expect they know when something is not allowed by the AUP, game tastes aside.

By my experience playing GT don't make any Forza supporter a GT expert, I'm tired of correcting false claims from them here and in the Forza section. And I mean with factual proofs, not just my word or opinion. But well I guess we will disagree in how the things are working now but it's not my forum so no discussion. Anyway thanks for the reply.

I've replied via PM so the thread doesn't get taken off-topic.

 

[CSLACR]

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This is what I am talking about GT5 arcade mode isn't the best but it's pretty darn good 15 opponents weather effect full damge tire wear etc.Thats how I see it. Because everything is not perfect to your liking that is the result. My little one thinks because she gets majority of the things she want money is nothing. I have to explain to her that a lot goes on in the background you don't see and money is actually very hard to obtain. You will not see me say in a negative connotation comment on what is easy to implement and fix, or says somebody has no commonsense when I do not know all the true factors around the situation. To call them lazy though is a bit harsh.

Arcade mode is absolutely useless for me. You gain absolutely nothing and equal competition is next to impossible to achieve.

There's a difference in wanting something to be playable for yourself and demanding perfection. You assume because it works for you, it must work for everyone. It does not. Much like the new seasonal, if I can enter a race with a car 85PP below the limit and win in 5 laps by 20 seconds or more, it's a crap-shoot.
Even when you can drive around the AI they're terrible, and if contact should occur, you get punted by the almost immovable object by some seriously terrible collision physics.

Solo time trialing and driving the Nurburgring, along with online racing are the only enjoyment I can get out of GT5, and a handful of special events.
Online is pretty terrible, I'm currently having yet more connection issues on a connection that would support other games perfectly fine.

So it appears possible that I can get exactly what I get from GT5, out of other games, with some added extras on top. Since I can't afford to buy them all, this leaves me questioning if I'll buy GT6. If its on PS3 I certainly will, if it's on PS4 I don't know. I might choose something else this time.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

"GTP becoming more anti-GT" ?

I beg to differ.
What we have here is failure to differentiate.

Strange as it may seem, GTP is anti-GT5 to a degree, but not anti-GT.

Realms of posts in the GTP threads bemoan the substantive shortcomings and disappointments with this release for just cause.
Unlike complaints on previous GTs, PD appeared to have abandoned the core values of prior GTs on this edition.
The coup de grace was doing so after a marked almost 2 year (50%) longer wait, not to mention, at twice the price of previous games.

This thread is a testament to the unusual predicament with this series.
In my recollection, this question would have been unheard of after GT3 or 4.

Speaking of the OP, if GT6 is only a 2/3 empty shell to be filled sometime after release like GT5, then no I won't be buying it.

 

[CorvetteConquer]

I don't get you some days.. No offense, maybe I'm reading your post wrong?

I'm very straight forward in my posts. I try not to confuse anybody.

What my post was attempting to say: It's not 1998 anymore. GT is not a game that sits alone on the hill of racing games. Its mystique is not as powerful as it once was.

My post was also saying: How much more time does Kaz need to create his vision? Is his own vision blinding him?

And lastly, Kaz will get his two + years. Let's see if his vision is something fans still want to be apart of. Or are we slowly seeing a fanbase, that has been long ignored, accepting a similar negative attitude toward the series?

 

[Mac K]

I'm very straight forward in my posts. I try not to confuse any body.

What my post was attempting to say: It's not 1998 anymore. GT is not a game that sits alone on the hill of racing games. Its mystique is not as powerful as it once was.

My post was also saying: How much more time does Kaz need to create his vision? Is his own vision blinding him?

And lastly, Kaz will get his two + years. Let's see if his vision is something fans still want to be apart of. Or are we slowly seeing a fanbase that has been long ignored.

I did read it the wrong way then, my apologies .

 

[CorvetteConquer]

Because anyone who says anything that isn't positive about GT must be "ANTI GT".

Please keep the flame-bait nonsense to yourself and off the site.

I don't often quotes mods, but this post should be read over and over again by every user.

As far GTPlanet's attitude is concerned, there definitely exists a level of tension and anxiety. It's obvious in this thread's title and in OUR posts. It's also apparent in the numerous other topics that deal with similar issues.

I'll add that these sentiments don't just pop up randomly or without cause. There's reason behind these feelings. Many of us have been emotionally attached to GT since childhood, but are now slowly breaking apart from it (not totally but enough to call the series in question). Others have pledged allegiance to the series and see no other racing game that can compete with GT. This is dangerous. These fans will never begin to break off or question anything. These fans believe that there's nothing wrong and that all is well. But we know there's no game that's perfect, so something can be done better. Try to see all angles.

 

[Mac K]

I don't often quotes mods, but this post should be read over and over again by every user.

As far GTPlanet's attitude is concerned, there definitely exists a level of tension and anxiety. It's obvious in this thread's title and in OUR posts. It's also apparent in the numerous other topics that deal with similar issues.

I'll add that these sentiments don't just pop up randomly or without cause. There's reason behind these feelings. Many of us have been emotionally attached to GT since childhood, but are now slowly breaking apart from it (not totally but enough to call the series in question). Others have pledged allegiance to the series and see no other racing game that can compete with GT. This is dangerous. These fans will never begin to break off or question anything. These fans believe that there's nothing wrong and that all is well. But we know there's no game that's perfect, so something can be done better. Try to see all angles.

And I'll quote this, probably one of the best posts I've read on here in a long time, see you can debate and state your opinion without slicing each others throats open, its not that hard.. 👍

 

[Foxiol]

And I'll quote this, probably one of the best posts I've read on here in a long time, see you can debate and state your opinion without slicing each others throats open, its not that hard.. 👍

You both said what it should be said a long time ago when all this started. And it is true i stopped to give my opinions here because people is always trying to put theirs upon yours no matter what you say.
Always thinking as everyone has the truth or is saying something that it is a fact or better than what you are saying...like a competition about who is the best giving opinions here.

I don´t know but everyone is free to give their opinions because everyone has a different point of view in what he is doing or in this case playing.

I always try to be objective and from a critic point of view and that thinking about the future...in this case again about the game itself. I don´t like something i just say it. I like something i say it too. And i think the game could be better changing or having something that many maybe don´t care or don´t like it is their problem. And that is something that we can discuss but not trying to "kill" what that person said.

Good words guys. You (Mac K) and Corvette.

 

[Mac K]

Don't really remember what I said, but thanks

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Wow I thought I'd have to debate JDMKing once again, but finally the entire beast woke up to do it.

I think all in all, PD could easily win us back by doing a simple dev louge. That is it.

 

[Kobooi]

Solo time trialing and driving the Nurburgring, along with online racing are the only enjoyment I can get out of GT5, and a handful of special events.

All I've been doing for he last 2 months is hotlapping the Nurburgring with a wide selection of cars. However while the driving is absolute fun, also for hotlapping GT5 is not properly designed. I have no way of keeping track of my best times, other than making an Excel sheet myself. I used to save all my best laps as ghost cars to keep track of the best times, but there are so many saved laps now, it's impossible to manage them.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

All I've been doing for he last 2 months is hotlapping the Nurburgring with a wide selection of cars. However while the driving is absolute fun, also for hotlapping GT5 is not properly designed. I have no way of keeping track of my best times, other than making an Excel sheet myself. I used to save all my best laps as ghost cars to keep track of the best times, but there are so many saved laps now, it's impossible to manage them.

I have the same issue, and this issue gets worse any time I want to try and make my own racing series. Thus I must do the same thing, build an excel sheet and take all the information down.

 

[HKS racer]

No, not really. Find a better way to word your frustration without using those terms, or find yourself on holiday from the site.

I proved how most common racing games handle classes, what people is doing here is having zero arguments and still blaming users who provide a solution to a problem.

Fact is classes can be fixed anytime in a matter of seconds.
You don't like the "retarded" word? That's fine, but I expect other users to dobate not only using false moralism.

 

[mister dog]

If you would take away all the posts of people flaming on eachother, and people trying to get the better of eachother (personal wars), each thread on GTP would have half the pages.

I'm 435 posts far, and have never been called an idiot, nor received harsh reactions; is that a record? haha

 

[With a EG6]

I might have to Pre-Order 3 Months before release again....

GT is only going to get better folks, PD have done the hard boring bit with GT5, thats why it took so long.

 

[Bobby-Vegas]

I think 85% of the people who do play GT5 will buy GT6.

99.9% will buy it, most of these posts are full of it!!

 

[JDMKING13]

I might have to Pre-Order 3 Months before release again....

GT is only going to get better folks, PD have done the hard boring bit with GT5, thats why it took so long.

This! PD had to take a little hit In my opinion also. Even so GT5 is still a great game.

 

[aadil717]

Why is there still no poll?

 

[Tenacious D]

Others have pledged allegiance to the series and see no other racing game that can compete with GT. This is dangerous. These fans will never begin to break off or question anything.

These fans? I think you could mention twenty members here who see nothing wrong with GT5. Even I, one of the most devout Gran Turismo fanboys around, have mentioned perhaps two dozen shortcomings, many of which are pointless and baffling why they were even considered. If 20 people out of a hundred grand-plus seem to threaten the potential for advancement in GT6, well... whatever. I think you're grasping at straw men.

I haven't bothered to read much of the thread at all because it apparently descended into another pointless food fight, and I couldn't care less about another one. But I will say that if GT5 wasn't a quality game in any way, some of your guys' fears would be worth taking to heart.

But it is. Frankly, the game I think is poo is Forza 4. I quit playing it after three weeks because something doesn't connect with me. 3D is off, can't read the turns properly, racing is a mess in anything above D Class. I'm still baffled why I can't recreate the feel of the opening race the game throws you into, I loved that. The game itself? You guys who love it can have it.

I know this gives some of you the dry heaves, but I still haven't found a racer which puts me there, on the track, in the car, like GT5 does. I have my PC sims, and they're cool and all, but in a dry, clinical, sterile way. Many, many, many people on this planet feel that way about GT5, and can hardly wait to see Kaz get it together, quit tinkering with the formula that worked well through four games and a pretty darn cool Prologue, and see what Polyphony has in store for GT6.

Day one pre-order purchase for me, and I know I'll have tons of company.

I think all in all, PD could easily win us back by doing a simple dev louge. That is it.

For us civilians? This already exists in a series called Forza. I'd really, seriously, rather not see Gran Turismo become a "racer by committee" tinker toy in the hands of the rabble.

 

[WJHMH]

I'm not all that sure if I can wait that long.

 

[tube chaser]

Day 1 buy for me.I mean it can't be worse than 5 and I love 5 to pieces.

If its a PS3 release then I will not not buy GT6.

This! PD had to take a little hit In my opinion also. Even so GT5 is still a great game.

I hope Rocky has been working the heavy bag, because he's going to have to fight to get back that belt.

There are heaps of other relevant quotes but I'd need an Excel spreadsheet to organise them.

To be brutally honest I was extremely disappointed with GT5 on day one; came within a whisker of returning her to the store the same day. But first dates are often disastrous, so on the second one I tinkered with her settings & created an awesome driving music playlist - and who'da guessed it but I fell in love and married her. Yeah she has her shortcomings, but also some genuinely endearing qualities too. I occasionally cheated on her, but when I returned she didn't judge me for it (even though my trophy list showed I had strayed beyond the odd one-off) and instead just cooked up a tasty comfort medium trackday at the Ring and blasted some of my favourite albums. Will I stray again? Probably. Will I go back to her? Absobloodylutely! When she puts on some make-up & a pretty new dress and calls herself GT6, I will renew my vows and hopefully be satisfied to the point of 100% loyalty.

Okay thanks for your time, I'll be back later. Just need to see that gorgeous girl at zerohedgedotcom..

 

[ShortAznGuy]

It's probably going to be $60. I have a job and $60 is only a small fraction of my paycheck. So yes, I will be purchasing GT6 the day it comes out.