::::: World Super GT Championship - [Thread 4 Closed] :::::

[Denilson]

My OFFICIAL q-lap on Laguna

PSN: GTP_PaggyDaggy
Location: DK (Denmark)
Car: Nissan GT-R 08 Yellowhat
Class: GT500
Lap Time: 1'19.602




as Moiman I have also taken a picture to proof that I am on with two wheels, at 0:56-59 in the youtube video time.

http://ow.ly/i/77QB/original

Nice lap 👍

Did the car feel better after Johnkiller2's magic setup?

 

[Paggydaggy]

Nice lap 👍

Did the car feel better after Johnkiller2's magic setup?

a lot ! it felt a bit more wobbly, but i kept it going much faster through the corners. I think i could have improved the time if I had used an half hour more. But i think it was good

 

[Alien96]

Hola! Here is my 'Official' Qualifying Lap Replay Submission

PSN: El_Aliens69
Location: México
Car: Amemiya Asparadrink RX-7
Class: GT300
Lap Time: 1'22.754

Open for review and validation, file below:


and also my proof(lol).

i think i wont be the last, its hard keeping two wheels on track and pushing hard at the same time

 

[iRev_olution]

do we must use the clutch for G25 users? and also can you clear things up with ABS, is it allowed?

 

[Masi_23]

No, you can't use the clutch.

Hola! Here is my 'Official' Qualifying Lap Replay Submission

PSN: El_Aliens69
Location: México
Car: Amemiya Asparadrink RX-7
Class: GT300
Lap Time: 1'22.754

Review: Clean 👍

 

[Paginas1]

sorry if you have already seen this but no1 answerd me because ive just signed up and it had to go thru to admins first.... this is what i put...

hi,

i have been looking at joining this series for awhile and i hve now decided i would like to join if possible...

i would like to join the gt500 as i have a nismo z (which im still not sure if its allowed or not) but i have enough cash to buy another gt500 car.

however if there isnt room for that could i join the gt300

thanks, looking forward to hearing from you

Details
PSN - Paginas
I play with a pad as i cant afford a wheel lol i love to get 1!
Region - England GMT

 

[iRev_olution]

what about ABS? because i been driving without atm. sorry about the questions .. so far i can only pull a 1.21.289

PSN: iRev_olution
Location: Sydney, Australia
Car: Nissan XANAVI Nismo GT-R (Super GT) '08
Lap Time: 1'21.289

so far...

 

[Blitz187]

Hey Masi,

Do I have to stay in the GT300 class or can I go for GT500? Been driving the Calsonic GTR lately and I'm in love

 

[Masi_23]

@ iRev - ABS is optional.

@ Blitx - You can switch anytime since its just the preseason.

 

[competizione]

anyone has a good set up for either the raybridge nsx or the garayia i have not done any practice because i have fever but i will try later today

 

[Paggydaggy]

Masi, will you take a look at my lap and tell me if it is a clean one? 2nd'last post, back on page 6

 

[Blitz187]

Long time no see... Nice to see ya around again! 👍
Yea very long time and good to be around.

Got any choons for us?

If you need a choon just let me know No shop anymore due to not having enough time in my daily life....

anyone has a good set up for either the raybridge nsx or the garayia i have not done any practice because i have fever but i will try later today

I ran across this in the tuning forum... Maybe you can give it a shot...

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=147415&page=8#post4552741

Its for the Garayia BTW....

 

[Sincx]

Agree with you there Chorda and Masi as well, it can be hard to be consistent and it is sometimes annoying for the perfect lap.

Sometimes down over 0.5 seconds at the start...and then I will make up 0.5 seconds at the end but end result is same laptimes over and over

But I think in the race you will see consitancy playing a big part especially when he tyres start to fall off.

But it's a great trakc never the less !

One thing that really botters me about this league....why can't you set the rule simply to: "Always have2 Wheels INSIDE or On the White Racing Line at ALL times" ?
I feel I have to cut the track now with the current rules. Ok you don't but to get the best possible laptimes with the current RULE SET you have to

Me no likey !

Thing is.. Laguna Seca is to me, a track where no lap feels 100%. Very hard to hit all apex's, and also a lot of corners that tend to tighten on the way out forcing drivers to hold the throttle, if only for 1/10. But still I can't get that perfect feeling about a lap, even if it's a good laptime..

Turn 2, 3, 4, (5), 8, 9, 10 all feels kind of "funny" in different ways.
2, 3, 10 is very frustating to go thru for me.. Feels like forever before you can hit the throttle.. After the corcscrew also feels kind of funny, making one really careful at the exit to avoid spinning..

 

[Sail IC]

One thing that really botters me about this league....why can't you set the rule simply to: "Always have2 Wheels INSIDE or On the White Racing Line at ALL times" ?

I feel I have to cut the track now with the current rules. Ok you don't but to get the best possible laptimes with the current RULE SET you have to

Me no likey !

I agree with this and its getting to the point at Laguna with it low curbs. To get great lap at Laguna you need to try to hit the apex curb with the outside wheels which gives some major cutting of the corner. Feels unnatural and unrealistic to me.

We should stay with the current rules for Laguna, but for for the future I think we should change the rules along with what Sinxc suggests.

 

[Sincx]

Thanks Sail IC, think there are more that have the same opinion on this.

to give it some more backup, every other proffesional league in the sim racing world even the ones you have to pay fees for to enter uses this rule.

For laguna it can not be changed anymore but for future races would like to see it changed.

 

[Denilson]

Thanks Sail IC, think there are more that have the same opinion on this.

to give it some more backup, every other proffesional league in the sim racing world even the ones you have to pay fees for to enter uses this rule.

For laguna it can not be changed anymore but for future races would like to see it changed.

Agree 👍

But Every turn does not have a white line inside the curbs (i.e Monaco). If there is a white line, two wheels have to be on the track at all times within or touching the white line. But when there is no white line, curbs shoul be concidered part of the track. Not saying that's the case at Laguna Seca, because there is a white line all the way around as far as I can recall. But on other circuits this could be the case.

Good sugestion Sincx! 👍

 

[Andil]

Would be quite disappointed if we took up a "two wheels within white lines" rule. Sometimes kerbs are big enough that you can fit a whole car onto it (talking about genuine kerbs, not concrete run off areas), meaning you'd be "technically" outside of the white lines, but realistically and reasonably still on circuit. I think adding a white-line rule would add complication and frustration - at the moment the rules are the same for everyone, and it's very clear whether your lap is clean or dirty. Adding the white line rule imo would make it difficult to specify where you can legitimately run a kerb and where you cannot.

 

[nissman]

Thanks Sail IC, think there are more that have the same opinion on this.

to give it some more backup, every other proffesional league in the sim racing world even the ones you have to pay fees for to enter uses this rule.

For laguna it can not be changed anymore but for future races would like to see it changed.

I've been racing in this kind of competitions since the Prologue days.
The biggest event was the fameous IFTC-Inter Forum Team Championship.
Over 500 players and 18 teams. Anyway we we're using the same rules as here and it is the only logical rule and we are using it for years now. So I don't really now whats your problem with this rule, we had 500 players and nobody complained.

p.s. Same rule goes in real life motorsports, didnt you ever watch DTM, they are all over the track just on the edge of cutting corners. Be precise thats all I can tell you...

 

[Paggydaggy]

A rule like that would be acceptable imo, at least for the Laguna in future races. as it shouldn't be impossible to have 2 wheels inside - or on the line. I only see myself, in my Qualifying lap, getting on the wrong side of the line 2 times. I could improve that.

But now I havn't really paid any attention to those lines on other tracks, so I don't know if it would be a rule to strict.

 

[Sincx]

Ye some curbs are wide enough and some tracks it could be allowed to run on the kerbs completly but then you still could enforce the rule that you CAN NOT go off that curb then and should have 4 wheels on the curb at all times.

The way we do it in leagues over at RaceDepartment is to take some screenshot of the 'problem' corners on the track and deside before anyone starts practising what can and can not be done.
This to ensure nobody CUTS the corners and make the racing more competative and more realistic.

Also I think we should enforce to BAN the use of driving line, think it is bit noobisch to have to on when racing proper.



And as for Laguna......IT IS DRIVING ME MAD lol. according my splits and by what I observe when fighting my own ghost I can do a very low 1.17 but I'm stuck at 18.2 with a crapper of a lap lol.....awesome.

 

[Sincx]

I've been racing in this kind of competitions since the Prologue days.
The biggest event was the fameous IFTC-Inter Forum Team Championship.
Over 500 players and 18 teams. Anyway we we're using the same rules as here and it is the only logical rule and we are using it for years now. So I don't really now whats your problem with this rule, we had 500 players and nobody complained.

Well you think on Laguna seca anyone would go deep trough the sand when driving a formula car on Laguna seca. Or any car for that matter ?
I guess at that point I realize this game and perhaps most in general are still very arcade but things we do to cut corners and make the apex faster would offset a real car very much.

 

[Blitz187]

I really need to speed up the pace... I'm stuck at 1.22,xxx in the Calsonic GTR. I either do all of the track very well and mess up the corkscrew OR I mess up everywhere on track and NAIL the corkscrew.... very frustrating if you know what I mean..

As for the "white line" rule I agree with Nissman on this. 👍 Been racing like this since the Prologue days and havent experienced any problems.

 

[Denilson]

Thing is, this is just beeing discussed.. It's healthy to express opinions. I agree with Sincx that it's not realistic to let your outside wheels barley touching the inside of the curb when the rest of the car is ploving thru dirt, grass, gravel, sand or whatever. Ofc the rule will not be changed now. It's just a discution about it. Also, there's no problem or surcumstance that mekes it impossible to actually stay inside or on the white line. So I don't see the problem with that rule, as far as there is a white line to use as a limit for what's ok and what is not. As I said, if the rule was like Sincx suggested, it would have to be a complament for that rule, regarding corners where the white line does'nt exist (i.e chicane at Monaco). In that case the curb would serve as the white line. It's a bit more complicated but still easy to follow that rule.

 

[nissman]

What the hell kind of a rule is 4 wheels inside track at all time. I coudnt even attack the corners proper.
Dont know why change the rules that have been on this forum for years just becouse some individuals don't like it and I think dont even get it.

 

[Piket]

Well you think on Laguna seca anyone would go deep trough the sand when driving a formula car on Laguna seca. Or any car for that matter ?
I guess at that point I realize this game and perhaps most in general are still very arcade but things we do to cut corners and make the apex faster would offset a real car very much.

You don't have a problem with the ridiculous draft though,do you?

Get over it bro. Games will be games.

As for the rules,stick to the old ones,i say.

 

[Denilson]

What the hell kind of a rule is 4 wheels inside track at all time. I coudnt even attack the corners proper.
Dont know why change the rules that have been on this forum for years just becouse some individuals don't like it and I think dont even get it.

Hey! It's just a discution.. No one is going to quit the championship or anything. We're just talking about a rule.
No one is discusing keeping 4 wheels inside the white line..

I see your point, and I will race no matter what will be decided in this matter.

But you have to agree that the rule that we use at the moment allows a car to almost to 100% plow thru dirt on the inside (outside of the track) of a turn, which in some cases could look lika a big cut.

 

[nissman]

But you have to agree that the rule that we use at the moment allows a car to almost to 100% plow thru dirt on the inside (outside of the track) of a turn, which in some cases could look lika a big cut.

Yes, I agree. It seems like a big cut, but if you do that here at Laguna, you'll just simply be slower. Hitting the dirt takes your momentum and grip.
So anybody that will be on the limit of cutting corners at Laguna will be much slower.
Tarmac is what you need for a fast time...

 

[Sincx]

Spend nearly half a hour hotlapping now and getting sick of it so this time will have to do :S

Player: Sincx

Guten tag! Here is my 'Official' Qualifying Lap Replay Submission

PSN: Sincx
Location: Rotterdam / The Netherlands
Car: Takata NSX
Class: GT500
Lap Time: 1'17.848

Open for review and validation, file below:


*Replay file attached here = OR = Youtube video embedded here*
( Shot with my mobile Sony Satio so not the best of quallity )

 

[lb1990]

is it to late to try and join up for this, or do I just need to submit a lap time?

 

[Sail IC]

Yes, let's keep this on a healthy discussion level.

As stated, with todays rules you can cut the corner to the extent that if only the outside part of the outside wheels just touches the curb, its OK. The whole car bar a small sliver of rubber will basically be on the grass, sand, dirt.

An alternative could be that two parallel wheels always needs to be on (or touch) the even pavement part of the track. This way you can still aggressively attack the corner, use a lot of curb, but would assimilate much closer to what we see in real car racing.

Cheers