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i dont think it is a good idea to combine d1 and d2 times because if the winner of d1 have a battle and looses time and the winner of d2 just is dominating he could take the win.
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- Ayrton_senna1994
- Ayrtonsenna83
Hey i race with paginas in le mans series iam up for abit of super gt, is it to late to join?
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- qczhao
Guten tag.
I'm closing the registrations for the GT500 class. I'm fairly sure it's up to capacity.
GT300 class meanwhile still has about 10 spots to fill. Hopefully, the added JGTC cars
will entice more people to come in.
I tested La Sarthe last night and it was pretty awesome to say the least. I had 24 hour
time change every 2 laps, which was weird, i still don't get the progressions rate; 1-60?
Also had rain a few times. Should add some dynamics to next week's race 👍
Well, I have a few priorities in life i have to tend to today, so i wont be replying to the
private messages i received the past 24 hours. Will do so when i get the chance.
Thanks to everyone for the testing 👍 qczhao, what does your psn mean anyway?
Sweet speeds btw. You can host D2 for sure. That's if you don't qualify for D1
Sayonara.
Hey Masi, cool ok.
I won't be available this friday for La Sarthe, but I'm sure I will be available in the following weeks for the real championship series.
qczhao is just a shortening of my real name =).
Progression rate: 1 means 1 minute in game time = 1 minute in real time
60 means its a lot faster, i'm not sure of the exact ratio.
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- Neomone
You can't combine D1 and D2 results. There's all sorts of incidents that can happen that make it completely unfair. Accidents, drafting, and so on can affect the total time. But if only one player is subject to them and another isn't, then it becomes meaningless to compare the times.
Let's say Moleman and I are at the head of D1. We can run 2.03s in clean air, but we're battling hard so we're down to 2.05s.
George Bush and Saddam Hussein are at the head of D2. They can run 2.06s in clean air, because they suck. But through drafting they pull that down to 2.04s.
In separate races, George Bush and Saddam Hussein would finish faster that Moleman and I. But if we're all in the same race together, George Bush and Saddam Hussein have to make their way through our battle in order to do that. Either they can't make the pass, or they can make the pass and we have a chance to tag onto their draft and keep them in our sights.
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i vouch for senna his a clean racer and very quick racer!!! Plus he will be on for ever race as he has no life like me and is constantly on it lol
@senna - not sure if there is any room for gt500 but theres room for gt300
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I'd rather not, with me starting on pole for D2, I effectively had no one to race once I got clear in the first two corners, this meant I had a whole race of open road, no battling, this allows me to set a very fast race time relative to those battling it out in D1.
I personally think it's fine as it is.
It's basically a time multiplier, with 1 being x1 speed.
To calculate the optimum multiplier to emulate a 24hour transition, we need to have an approximation of the race time.
There are 60 minutes in an hour, and 24 hours in a day so a real world day equates to 1440 minutes.
Assuming the race will last an hour and a half, thus 90 minutes - divide 1440 by 90 to get your multiplier - 16
So if we can work out the approximate amount of laps to get an hour and a half race, then the transition speed should be set to 16. That's assuming Masi wants a 1.5 hour race.
[edit] I could have just dived 24 by 1.5
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- chorda / GTP_chorda
Dregato:
During the formation lap?? geeeez.....
Also: "Also thought what we were doing in that race wasn't serious"
"I'd be willing to join the series, just more organization would be key I guess."
Well, the race are not dead serious in any way. But serious as hell when it comes to your fellow drivers. To run in to them from behind without any control what so ever is a big NO, NO in this championship, and that includes the formationlap as well..
And about the lack (according to you) of organization, we have organized this championship for weeks, and all drivers that have been with this series from the beginning knows exactly what organization and what rules that apply. Drivers that has not been here for that long but still know about the organization have actualy (belive it or not) put down some effort in reading the OP and in that way also understands all the rules and how everything is organized.
During the formation lap?? geeeez.....
Also: "Also thought what we were doing in that race wasn't serious"
"I'd be willing to join the series, just more organization would be key I guess."
Well, the race are not dead serious in any way. But serious as hell when it comes to your fellow drivers. To run in to them from behind without any control what so ever is a big NO, NO in this championship, and that includes the formationlap as well..
And about the lack (according to you) of organization, we have organized this championship for weeks, and all drivers that have been with this series from the beginning knows exactly what organization and what rules that apply. Drivers that has not been here for that long but still know about the organization have actualy (belive it or not) put down some effort in reading the OP and in that way also understands all the rules and how everything is organized.
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the yellow hat supra i bieleve it needs to install the third stage engine to keep up with others. also i did some testings to older jgtc(woodone supra 03'(520bhp, arta nsx 00' 506bhp,castrol supra 97' and the rx7 lm) and found them pretty even with the gtr and z
monoha
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Just to throw another aspect of the point/division system.
The Mazda Raceway round, there were one player that qualified in the top of D2, which locked him into maximum of reaching 36 points no matter how fast he was. But luckily for him, one in D1 didn't show, so he got to race in D1 and had the chance to score max points of 100 instead. He ended as 3rd in D1 and got 70.
I consider that a bit flawed, that one suddenly get the chance of scoring 100 points and getting 70, when his limit was 36. I don't have a solution for this, just wanted to throw it in the discussion for peoples consideration. 👍
The Mazda Raceway round, there were one player that qualified in the top of D2, which locked him into maximum of reaching 36 points no matter how fast he was. But luckily for him, one in D1 didn't show, so he got to race in D1 and had the chance to score max points of 100 instead. He ended as 3rd in D1 and got 70.
I consider that a bit flawed, that one suddenly get the chance of scoring 100 points and getting 70, when his limit was 36. I don't have a solution for this, just wanted to throw it in the discussion for peoples consideration. 👍
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That was my concern. But i doubt Saddam Hussein will participate in our series anyway. I saw his video a few years ago. Not pleasant.
Well, i suppose we keep it as it is until the whole roster cries foul
But i doubt that. I have veto power
That's what we have done since the beginning. Any no shows or withdrawals a few hours before the race from D1 will be replaced by someone from D2. That means the D2 grid moves up accordingly, and the people who did not qualify (waiting list) will move up as well.
Welcome to the series 👍 We are a bit short of GT300 drivers, so i suggest you race there next week. Although it is ultimately your decision. The GT500 list if full, but that's just only my estimation. I'll be doing a few more checks and see who really is in and out.
👍
Quinten C. Zaratenhao?
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That was my concern. But i doubt Saddam Hussein will participate in our series anyway. I saw his video a few years ago. Not pleasant.
Well, i suppose we keep it as it is until the whole roster cries foul
But i doubt that. I have veto power
That's what we have done since the beginning. Any no shows or withdrawals a few hours before the race from D1 will be replaced by someone from D2. That means the D2 grid moves up accordingly, and the people who did not qualify (waiting list) will move up as well.
Welcome to the series 👍 We are a bit short of GT300 drivers, so i suggest you race there next week. Although it is ultimately your decision. The GT500 list if full, but that's just only my estimation. I'll be doing a few more checks and see who really is in and out.
👍
Quinten C. Zaratenhao?
ok thank you well just let me know the time and date and il be there if its gt 300 then the weds lexus il use thank you:tup:👍
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- b0ltzz
Here are my thoughts on the league & point system after being involved for a week(WALL OF TEXT) :
As I realize you all are going for as close to the "real-thing" as possible, but combining GT500 & GT300 cars just doesn't seem practical for not only GT5's online mode, but the overall league quality as well. As we start this next week and run live online qualifying sessions, I have a feeling other people may start to agree with me. Here are my reasons.
Let's say out of 22 qualifiers, Person A and B both enter as GT500 and put down their qualifying laps. Person A qualifies 3rd overall, Person B qualifies 10th overall. Person A starts 3rd in D1, and Person B starts 3rd in D2. Person A has a rough race, can't keep their car on the track or out of the pits, and finishes 7th in D1 - He is awarded 42 pts. Person B races his ass off and wins a close race to take home first in D2.. wait, 8th - He is awarded 36 pts.
Splitting the groups in two, eventually leads way to the second group being held down week after week, for more than one reason;
Qualifying / Competitiveness
There will always be fast qualifiers, regardless of who secretly used SRF before this week or not. However, not everyone who qualifies fast finishes well, and that is the whole point of racing. Someone may not be a spectacular qualifier, but may at the same time have great endurance and repetition to keep up with the best of them. Especially in a league with such strict setting rules (no TCS, SRF, Heavy DMG, Real Grip), this should be more than obvious. One group shows themselves as the dominant qualifiers and remain that way the entire season, at least this is what I forsee happening here. I know there is definitely some a skill gap among drivers as well, but so is with all levels of racing. Who can steer their car to the line first is what matters, and starting a race 8th knowing you can never have a chance to finish higher than 8th, seems a bit askew.
Leadership & Organization
Another reason splitting the groups really doesn't benefit the league, is because there seems to be a general lack of care for the second division. I realize the more experienced players are in D1 because they have been around a bit longer and can throw down good times, but unless there is a dedicated admin that is on or CLOSE to Masi's level of organization/planning/leadership, it just won't ever work well. There has to be someone officiating, keeping people in line, and making sure everything goes smooth on race day. Now I know most of you are thinking "This is still pre-season, that was just one race," but nothing is stopping it from happening again unless someone steps up.
Confusion / Different Speeds
In addition to the things listed above, keeping 300 and 500 in the same races just adds a very unnecessary level of confusion among drivers. There is a big gap in this league among racers, having some who pay attention to grids, forum updates, race updates etc, and those who don't seem to look or care. If i took an honest guess, I'd say 50% of the drivers really truly understand the rules, regulations, and expectations of the league. Whether that may be a language barrier or just an attention span issue I don't know, but it doesn't help when people join up moments before a race and/or ask to switch divisions, or are thrown into another division should they have problems connecting...etc.
With that aside, the issue of the different speeds on the track also leads to problems. While passing a GT300 car in a GT500 car should not be an issue, things can tend to spiral out of control quickly when you go to pass someone located half way across the world pinging maybe 400-800 in difference, driving 50mph less than you. The game is buggy, and this just doesn't really help the situation.
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Unfortunately the GT5 online lobbies are very buggy, and I realize not everyone can connect or stay connected to everyone else. However, conforming the league around GT5's lack of online support shouldn't be in a way of splitting the groups in two. In my opinion having one GT500 division and one GT300 division, racing amongst themselves, would be the most efficient way to conduct this league. Everyone gets a chance to qualifier into their respective division, and race amongst everyone else that qualified in similar cars. Whether it be 14 or 15 starting spots in each race, it would make for much more competitive and exciting racing, and would show in the points battle throughout the season.
Hopefully this doesn't come off as me just joining up and ripping on your whole season format, it is just what I have noticed. I have been in a few online groups of racers now, and this is by far the most organized to date for me, but it can only get stronger imo. Please voice your opinions!
As I realize you all are going for as close to the "real-thing" as possible, but combining GT500 & GT300 cars just doesn't seem practical for not only GT5's online mode, but the overall league quality as well. As we start this next week and run live online qualifying sessions, I have a feeling other people may start to agree with me. Here are my reasons.
Let's say out of 22 qualifiers, Person A and B both enter as GT500 and put down their qualifying laps. Person A qualifies 3rd overall, Person B qualifies 10th overall. Person A starts 3rd in D1, and Person B starts 3rd in D2. Person A has a rough race, can't keep their car on the track or out of the pits, and finishes 7th in D1 - He is awarded 42 pts. Person B races his ass off and wins a close race to take home first in D2.. wait, 8th - He is awarded 36 pts.
Splitting the groups in two, eventually leads way to the second group being held down week after week, for more than one reason;
Qualifying / Competitiveness
There will always be fast qualifiers, regardless of who secretly used SRF before this week or not. However, not everyone who qualifies fast finishes well, and that is the whole point of racing. Someone may not be a spectacular qualifier, but may at the same time have great endurance and repetition to keep up with the best of them. Especially in a league with such strict setting rules (no TCS, SRF, Heavy DMG, Real Grip), this should be more than obvious. One group shows themselves as the dominant qualifiers and remain that way the entire season, at least this is what I forsee happening here. I know there is definitely some a skill gap among drivers as well, but so is with all levels of racing. Who can steer their car to the line first is what matters, and starting a race 8th knowing you can never have a chance to finish higher than 8th, seems a bit askew.
Leadership & Organization
Another reason splitting the groups really doesn't benefit the league, is because there seems to be a general lack of care for the second division. I realize the more experienced players are in D1 because they have been around a bit longer and can throw down good times, but unless there is a dedicated admin that is on or CLOSE to Masi's level of organization/planning/leadership, it just won't ever work well. There has to be someone officiating, keeping people in line, and making sure everything goes smooth on race day. Now I know most of you are thinking "This is still pre-season, that was just one race," but nothing is stopping it from happening again unless someone steps up.
Confusion / Different Speeds
In addition to the things listed above, keeping 300 and 500 in the same races just adds a very unnecessary level of confusion among drivers. There is a big gap in this league among racers, having some who pay attention to grids, forum updates, race updates etc, and those who don't seem to look or care. If i took an honest guess, I'd say 50% of the drivers really truly understand the rules, regulations, and expectations of the league. Whether that may be a language barrier or just an attention span issue I don't know, but it doesn't help when people join up moments before a race and/or ask to switch divisions, or are thrown into another division should they have problems connecting...etc.
With that aside, the issue of the different speeds on the track also leads to problems. While passing a GT300 car in a GT500 car should not be an issue, things can tend to spiral out of control quickly when you go to pass someone located half way across the world pinging maybe 400-800 in difference, driving 50mph less than you. The game is buggy, and this just doesn't really help the situation.
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Unfortunately the GT5 online lobbies are very buggy, and I realize not everyone can connect or stay connected to everyone else. However, conforming the league around GT5's lack of online support shouldn't be in a way of splitting the groups in two. In my opinion having one GT500 division and one GT300 division, racing amongst themselves, would be the most efficient way to conduct this league. Everyone gets a chance to qualifier into their respective division, and race amongst everyone else that qualified in similar cars. Whether it be 14 or 15 starting spots in each race, it would make for much more competitive and exciting racing, and would show in the points battle throughout the season.
Hopefully this doesn't come off as me just joining up and ripping on your whole season format, it is just what I have noticed. I have been in a few online groups of racers now, and this is by far the most organized to date for me, but it can only get stronger imo. Please voice your opinions!
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I agree with this part! 👍
But my toughts regarding drivers that don't care or understand the rules and regulation is simply to ban them!
I do understand what you're aiming at, regarding the points. But I do think that the system used now is ok. If the winner in D2 actually does an incane race, he could get bonus points for fastest lap, most laps in the lead, pole position bonus and the bonus points for ending the race. That would give him (if no driver from D1 gets disconnected (enginefailure
) 36 points for 1st (8th) plus 10p for ending the race, fastest lap 5p and another 5p for most laps in the lead, and 5p for pole position giving him a total of 61p which in theory could take him almost up to 4th place overall. I think that's about as high as you can go, keeping in mind that you qualified for place 8. But I must say that you do have a point. If the qualification was like before, I'd might agree 100% with you. But as the qualification looks for now, everyboda will only have 3 laps to get a decent time. It's the same for all, and I think that this system will mix the divisions more than the previous system.
monoha
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Really like the time you put in to think and write this post 👍 I like your ideas and reasons behind them and have to agree.
I have to agree to this, it fixes the point/division problem.
👍 An important thing to remember
I agree, we might have race stewards, but we need a D2 (or GT500) admin/race organiser, levelled with Masi.
I have to agree to this, it fixes the point/division problem.
👍 An important thing to remember
I agree, we might have race stewards, but we need a D2 (or GT500) admin/race organiser, levelled with Masi.
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class: GT300
location: Italy
Car: TBC according to new rules
Regarding the division separation, a simpler solution would be to assign drivers at random in each division (like in football championships) and assign points based on total time (sort of like LMS) with a standing start as you suggested.
class: GT300
location: Italy
Car: TBC according to new rules
Regarding the division separation, a simpler solution would be to assign drivers at random in each division (like in football championships) and assign points based on total time (sort of like LMS) with a standing start as you suggested.
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PSN: slammedc
class: GT300
location: Chicago, Illinois
Car: Waiting for the 4 additional choices to be listed for GT300
By the way, I do have an outstanding internet connection with no complaints when hosting random online races. Also, "ghosting" happens during the black screen transition after the race timer counts down, this can be curved almost 100% of the time if everyone is sitting stationary in the pit lanes before it counts down to zero.
class: GT300
location: Chicago, Illinois
Car: Waiting for the 4 additional choices to be listed for GT300
By the way, I do have an outstanding internet connection with no complaints when hosting random online races. Also, "ghosting" happens during the black screen transition after the race timer counts down, this can be curved almost 100% of the time if everyone is sitting stationary in the pit lanes before it counts down to zero.
I'm not even in that screenshot, so that logic is a little flawed. Nor did I ever hit anyone, because I'm not like that. I was saying the race, where it was just Owens and I were on the track, was where I messed around, and never touched Owen in the process either. Also, I never insulted the organization of the championship; the D2 race was ridiculously disorganized. I read the rules back and forth multiples times, and practiced for awhile to get that time to qualify. It's pretty insulting for you to make assumptions about somebody you don't know nor have any idea what you're talking about in the situation. After the first race with nobody but Owens and I, I left after like 2 laps of that, hoping it would end and we'd start the new one. 30 minutes later when it didn't happen, I had other things to do. I apologize for anything the ghost me did, regardless for the fact that nobody is going to believe me.
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There are flaws in having a two race system. I agree, it sucks hard for whoever ends up at the top of D2. They're left basically trying to defend a bunch of points with no chance to get any more.
Given that the series is based on having the GT500s and GT300s running together though, there's not many solutions. If you want to avoid that problem, you need everyone in the same race. Which leads you to either eliminating D2 altogether and making it a single race series, or dividing into two groups the have separate championships. Neither of those options are particularly appealing I feel.
I don't think the flaws in the current system are as massive as they might be though. Each week has 14 racers per class. 4 of those are probably always going to be D1, the super-quick drivers. 4 are probably always going to be D2, just because that's their pace. The other 6 drivers are going to be competing hard week to week for spots in D1 and D2. Hopefully week to week different drivers should make D1 as different tracks expose the strengths of different drivers and cars.
I could see an argument for flattening the point scale in the middle a bit, so that drivers in low D1 aren't getting substantially more points than high D2. I could see an argument for places 7 and 8 receiving equal or near equal points, based on the fact that 8th has to fight for their points whereas 7th can walk into it (but probably won't as they'd much rather be in 6th...). It's always going to be unfair, but I think there's things that can be done to minimise the unfairness.
Running separate races for GT500 and GT300 is something else altogether. Might as well start two separate championships then, as they need not be linked in any way.
Given that the series is based on having the GT500s and GT300s running together though, there's not many solutions. If you want to avoid that problem, you need everyone in the same race. Which leads you to either eliminating D2 altogether and making it a single race series, or dividing into two groups the have separate championships. Neither of those options are particularly appealing I feel.
I don't think the flaws in the current system are as massive as they might be though. Each week has 14 racers per class. 4 of those are probably always going to be D1, the super-quick drivers. 4 are probably always going to be D2, just because that's their pace. The other 6 drivers are going to be competing hard week to week for spots in D1 and D2. Hopefully week to week different drivers should make D1 as different tracks expose the strengths of different drivers and cars.
I could see an argument for flattening the point scale in the middle a bit, so that drivers in low D1 aren't getting substantially more points than high D2. I could see an argument for places 7 and 8 receiving equal or near equal points, based on the fact that 8th has to fight for their points whereas 7th can walk into it (but probably won't as they'd much rather be in 6th...). It's always going to be unfair, but I think there's things that can be done to minimise the unfairness.
Running separate races for GT500 and GT300 is something else altogether. Might as well start two separate championships then, as they need not be linked in any way.
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These are my thoughts:
I agree, however we do have some bonus points awarded (as someone else stated) which would make up the points to make them competitve...
As we have the online Qualifing (only 3 laps to make a good lap) it might mix it up a little bit, we will see on the next race.
Plus online is alot more slipery to offline, i think thats why there are people that dont do well at qualifing (e.g. me) but seems to have better race pace.
So the online quali will hopefully be more effective if you see what i mean
I agree we need to find someone who can organise D2.
Masli said that we could start D1 earlier than D2 so he could host but then some people cant even connect to him so we need to do a few test with people hosting (hopefully for the online quali) to see if everyone can connect to certain people
I agree its annoying when people come into the lobby and start asking what place they are or how the starts work etc etc etc...
Its not hard to read the OP it states it all!
However hopefully this should be fine by the time we start the series because the sign ups will be close and there will be the same drivers every week (hopefully)
Its worked well so far (apart from me "Ghost" bug).
Also the race we had in D1 at Nurg, i thought i saw someone leave (dont know name) but that could been the cause to eppe plus more having the ghost problem...
I agree with the GT500 and GT300 hving a race by themselvs in some ways but its a great feel to reality the way we r doing it at the moment. For this idea i just dont really know what is best for the series... its both got its good and bad points...
Thanks for your opinon b0ltzz its opened up a few ideas and problems that we have for the series, hopefully we can work something out...
I agree, however we do have some bonus points awarded (as someone else stated) which would make up the points to make them competitve...
As we have the online Qualifing (only 3 laps to make a good lap) it might mix it up a little bit, we will see on the next race.
Plus online is alot more slipery to offline, i think thats why there are people that dont do well at qualifing (e.g. me) but seems to have better race pace.
So the online quali will hopefully be more effective if you see what i mean
I agree we need to find someone who can organise D2.
Masli said that we could start D1 earlier than D2 so he could host but then some people cant even connect to him so we need to do a few test with people hosting (hopefully for the online quali) to see if everyone can connect to certain people
I agree its annoying when people come into the lobby and start asking what place they are or how the starts work etc etc etc...
Its not hard to read the OP it states it all!
However hopefully this should be fine by the time we start the series because the sign ups will be close and there will be the same drivers every week (hopefully)
Its worked well so far (apart from me "Ghost" bug).
Also the race we had in D1 at Nurg, i thought i saw someone leave (dont know name) but that could been the cause to eppe plus more having the ghost problem...
I agree with the GT500 and GT300 hving a race by themselvs in some ways but its a great feel to reality the way we r doing it at the moment. For this idea i just dont really know what is best for the series... its both got its good and bad points...
Thanks for your opinon b0ltzz its opened up a few ideas and problems that we have for the series, hopefully we can work something out...
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- Moieman
To be honest while it's frustrating if you are in D2 and are only capable of the points equivelent of "8th place", that's just how the divisions work and in fairness it's the same for everyone. While someone can qualify for D1 week in week out, perhaps they deserve the spot (and the ability to earn extra points) more than someone who maybe makes D1 every now and then. It's up to you and the other drivers to outqualify that regular-D1 person to make sure he stops earning those extra points, or hope they make a mistake in the new live-quali system.
The only way I think we could benefit the D2 drivers, is perhaps splitting the points so it's 1st-5th in GT500/300 in both divisions who can earn points. That way 6th and 7th in each division are out of the points, suffer because of (presumably) a poor race. Otherwise I admit 7th place in D1 could disconnect on lap 1, but still earn more points than a very quick 1st place in D2.
Just an idea since I can't see any other way to solve this. I'm happy with the system as it is but not fussed what we do either way, it's always the same for everyone.
(Also in terms of GT500/300 racing together, I'm sure a lot of drivers are racing in this series for the split in classes and the sense of reality - There are plenty of single-class series' available, and tbh this was started as a split-class series, I doubt that will change (and I hope not) - I'm quite happy as it is 👍)
The only way I think we could benefit the D2 drivers, is perhaps splitting the points so it's 1st-5th in GT500/300 in both divisions who can earn points. That way 6th and 7th in each division are out of the points, suffer because of (presumably) a poor race. Otherwise I admit 7th place in D1 could disconnect on lap 1, but still earn more points than a very quick 1st place in D2.
Just an idea since I can't see any other way to solve this. I'm happy with the system as it is but not fussed what we do either way, it's always the same for everyone.
(Also in terms of GT500/300 racing together, I'm sure a lot of drivers are racing in this series for the split in classes and the sense of reality - There are plenty of single-class series' available, and tbh this was started as a split-class series, I doubt that will change (and I hope not) - I'm quite happy as it is 👍)
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I'm not sure how exactly the new quali system will work but I have some clue. My concern is it will be time consuming and a lot of dead time if its only one car on the track doing 3 laps each. If you do that in a 2 min/lap track an outlap/3 laps/inlap takes 10 minutes. With some dead time in the middle we will only be able to do around 5 cars quali per hour. It will be a lot of waiting unless we do a scheduling scheme and thats complicated.
Here is an idea on divisions and quali.
After each race:
- The two last placed cars in each class in Div1 gets demoted to Div2 for the next race.
- The two top placed cars in each class in Div2 gets promoted to Div1 for the next race
- The two last placed cars in each class in Div2 and the rest of the drivers will run a qualification timetrail or a pre-race to determin the last two slots in Div2
Qualification:
Set the starting grid to fastest first. Before the race, there is a 15 min free GT500 qual and a 15 min free GT300 qual. Its not a good idea to have GT500 and GT300 on the track at the same time during qual.
Then start the race, the grid is set by above, do the formation lap, then go.
The idea by above is to maximize action time and minimize waiting time. Now in the beginning people might be prepared to spend a lot of time on this championship. But give it some months, we will want something simple that gives most action per spent time.
Here is an idea on divisions and quali.
After each race:
- The two last placed cars in each class in Div1 gets demoted to Div2 for the next race.
- The two top placed cars in each class in Div2 gets promoted to Div1 for the next race
- The two last placed cars in each class in Div2 and the rest of the drivers will run a qualification timetrail or a pre-race to determin the last two slots in Div2
Qualification:
Set the starting grid to fastest first. Before the race, there is a 15 min free GT500 qual and a 15 min free GT300 qual. Its not a good idea to have GT500 and GT300 on the track at the same time during qual.
Then start the race, the grid is set by above, do the formation lap, then go.
The idea by above is to maximize action time and minimize waiting time. Now in the beginning people might be prepared to spend a lot of time on this championship. But give it some months, we will want something simple that gives most action per spent time.
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- Éire
- GTF_Apollo
I just read the qualifying rules
Are those times gonna be set like that for when the season kicks off?
I can't do Mondays,Tuesdays or Wednesdays for qualifying because of work.
So if wedensday's qualifying can be changed to thursday i will be in, but if it can't then no worries.
But you can remove me from the list of drivers because i won't be able to qualify for any races
Are those times gonna be set like that for when the season kicks off?
I can't do Mondays,Tuesdays or Wednesdays for qualifying because of work.
So if wedensday's qualifying can be changed to thursday i will be in, but if it can't then no worries.
But you can remove me from the list of drivers because i won't be able to qualify for any races
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- sonic-_-89b
does anyone how many hp can the yellowhat supra and the nsx can go? and now that the lexus has a 2 stage turbo how many hp?
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- Adelaide
- Neomone
You can run two or three cars qualifying simultaneously fairly easily. Just tell people to leave a gap or twenty or thirty seconds between cars. Spec Miata was doing two at a time with the same system.
That's quite a good system for qualifying though. It's simple, relatively easy to understand, gives some interaction between D1 and D2. And while 6th and 7th in D1 may be easy points, they're guaranteed less the next week. I like it.
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- nycrom
The Lexus SC430 with 2 Stage turbo have 545hp broken-in
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- GTF_Max
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