WSGTC 2 discussion

[Adam41]

No problem. I've sent you your Garaiya back aswell. Cheers for that.

I'm going to post the final gt300 results in a bit, unless someone has a big objection against one of the tunes.

 

[ultrap13]

So would it be possible to add perhaps 25kg to the MR-S (making it 1150kg) so we can reduce the power limiter a bit?

Isn't that just going to make the problem worse? You'll be dragging even more weight and have even more power on an already twitchy car... i think the MR-S is fine as it is. So far it's my favorite.

In general I'd say I'm against adding ballast to any car in an effort to equalize the field. It's just getting too complicated and largely subjective. Besides, checking legality of cars is going to be quite hard already.

About the standard Garaiya, why not just keep it stock like last season. It wasn't exactly super-popular last season and penalizing it is going to eliminate it from the field imo.

 

[ultrap13]

The MR-S is definitely the worst handling car.

Not in my view.

So if you attach a stage 1 turbo, you're getting way too much power from the engine and so you have to power limit it alot. Along with it's already dodgy power curve, the power limiter makes it worse and flattens it even more. I think it's at peak power for about 2000 rpm. Which means coming out of a corner you need to be at either an rpm which is quite a bit below peak power, or is actually at peak power. If you're at 4000 rpm and you nail the throttle, there's a massive jump in power up to peak power which causes the snappy oversteer and edginess.

I like the flat power curve. You can always control power delivery by feathering the throttle coming out of corners. I don't have issues with spinning out of low speed corners with the MR-S but with the IS350 it's a constant struggle.

 

[Müle]

The only reason I asked was if people decide to use the car, they might get confused if they end up receiving ballast on top of this normal weight addition.

I could put the power curve back to normal, but you'd probably have to add 100kg and that would make the car fast down straights, but slow around corners. So it's all about compromise.

I might do the same with the Celica because that has a flat power curve aswell but I'll try it out.

Don't add any extra ballast to the Celica, imo. The flat power curve is fine. I just have to shift at 5500 RPM as thats when the Torque falls off.

 

[Joshua1994]

I know this is completely out of the blue, but if the races are every 2 weeks, I think we should make the races longer, more to what the actual length of the real races are. For example, the real round in Fuji is 400km, we're currently on 200km or something right? so add an extra 100/200km onto the ones we have now.

 

[Denilson]

Joshua1994: That's a good suggestion. But, race will only be every other week, every other race (did that come out rigt?).

Shedule will look like:
Race 1.
1 week
Race 2.
2 weeks
Race 3.
1 week
Rac... And so on.

And since we are already on a tight window of time due to the drivers whereabouts, adding 1 hour + to raceday is not something we will do. I'm not ruling it out, but it will most likeley stay with what we decided a couple of weeks back.

Do you got some feedback from the GT500 test yesterday? Would love to hear it. 👍

GT300:
I'm not a GT300 driver, but I agree with Ultrap and MULE. Let the MR-S, CELICA and GARAIYA '03 stay the way they are. If the standard GARAIYA is 3/10 faster, it will only make it more attractive, which is a good thing. Think the only one who used it during season 1 was maximus254 (probably donoman3000 as well, but he only showed up twice). And after all 3/10 of a second is nothing when you race. Slipstraem alone can make you gain up to 1 second. I'd say, as long as the cars (GT500 and GT300) are within ,4-,5 from eachother, everything is just fine. But if the GARAIYA '03 would run 0,7 faster on another track, downtuning it would be a must. But I doubt it is.

Just my 2...

Now: CL final! VISCA EL BARCA!! Adios hermanos!

 

[ultrap13]

Don't add any extra ballast to the Celica, imo. The flat power curve is fine. I just have to shift at 5500 RPM as thats when the Torque falls off.

+1 👍 Leave the Celica, MR-S and S Garaiya the way they are.

 

[Joshua1994]

Joshua1994: That's a good suggestion. But, race will only be every other week, every other race (did that come out rigt?).

Shedule will look like:
Race 1.
1 week
Race 2.
2 weeks
Race 3.
1 week
Rac... And so on.

And since we are already on a tight window of time due to the drivers whereabouts, adding 1 hour + to raceday is not something we will do. I'm not ruling it out, but it will most likeley stay with what we decided a couple of weeks back.

Do you got some feedback from the GT500 test yesterday? Would love to hear it. 👍

Yeah I understand that there will be a weeks break between the races, but what I'm saying is, I think as they are every 2 weeks, the races should be longer than just an hour or so, also makes it more realistic, and alot more strategic!

And I only tested the Yellowhat Supra, and well, its perfect. It's not even broke in yet and I had an awesome fight with you for about 6 laps. (Only on 520bhp)

 

[Denilson]

Races are 175 km (the short ones) at the moment, and Monaco will take around 1,5 hours to complete. I think that's enough, and I'm pretty sure most of us feels like that. I hear you about the startegy-part, but that's why we raised the distance from 150 to 175 for the shorter races. With 150, almost all races was a 1 stopper. At 175, it opens up for 1 or 2 stops, making the races more dynamic. 👍

Well, those last 13 hp won't do much. Probably a tiny bit on the straights. Yes, I felt that I got most of the cars spot on in terms of lap times. Some will have different strong and weak points, but that's just a fun factor. But great to listen to your opinion. Thanks. 👍

What was your best lap (At GV yesterday) btw?

 

[Joshua1994]

Hm, can't remember to be exact, but around 49.7. I thought I was driving ridiculously slow seeming as tony set a 45 somehow..

 

[Denilson]

Well, as I said a few posts earlier, tony1311 is one of the fastest GT5 drivers in the world (take my word for it). He also used a tuned GT-R that is more powerful than the stock ones we use. In WSGTC we always have to keep 2 wheels on track/curb at all times, but in the league tony1311 races in, they don't use that rule. So when he did that 45.7 lap, I had to watch him for a lap. Don't misunderstand me, he IS one of the fastest GT5 drivers in the world, but not THAT fast. And when I watched him, I saw that he had engine upgrade and did not always have 2 wheels on track/curb at all times. And at GV, the difference in lap-time between sticking to the 2 wheel-on-track-rule and to not drive with that rule is probably around 1 sec. Add the overpowered car to that. If he used a car that was within our regulations, I'd guess he would've done high 46, low 47's. I added the Suzuka quali results in the round 10 thread, and there, he was 1.2 (if I recall) sec faster. So, there's no doubt that he is insanely quick, but not THAT quick.

You should try to get it down to mid 48's, high 47's. That is a reasonable time. 45-46 is alien territory.. Don't even think of it, you'll only get frustrated.

 

[Joshua1994]

Ahh got it.

Fair enough, well yeah I was using a stock tune I had been testing on Suzuka so I guess a little maybe a second tops could be shaved off if I have a little play around. I'll be honest though, GV isn't one of my favourite tracks, so if it is included in WSGTC 2, I don't think I'll be too fussed if im at the back

 

[Denilson]

The shedule for WSGTC 2 is in the thread. And we are only running on real world tracks. GV was used because it's a good test track that includes a lot of different corner types. A lot of slow corners, and that's why (I guess) the Lexus's are fast. The effekt produced at the lower rpm's (tourqe) from the turbo makes it "fly" out of the corners.

 

[Denilson]

UPDATE: Regarding where and how we will set our race rooms up.
My experiance this far from the Private Lounge is that DC's occours a lot more often. For comparison, I held an open Lobby open for 13 hours last week without any trouble or disconnects, but in Private Lounges, I've got DC'd twice in a few days, and a lot of other drivers as well.

So for now, we'll still run the races and qualifier in an Open Lounge. Guess we have to live with randoms popping up. After all, it's not that big of a problem. And the good sides are greater than the bad sides with an Open Lobby.

I've also experianced a lot more lag in Private rooms.

 

[Otsdarva]

Indeed. The Fun Racers group I run with on Mondays is great for Private rooms because there isn't too many people showing up. For running an actual serious league you're better off with a public lobby and just boot the randoms when you can.

 

[Adam41]

As suggested, I didn't add any weight to any of the cars. Although I did have to power limit the standard Garaiya, even though it wasn't that popular this season, because I did a 2:02.071 in it and that was with a slight mistake on the last corner.

Car - Time - BHP - Weight - PP - Top speed home straight - speed at apex of 1st schumacher S - top speed back straight - Mods allowed

Celica --- 2:02.318 - 323 - 1050 - 547 - 142.5 - 108 - 139 - Stage 1 turbo, power limiter 91.2%
Garaiya S 2:02.339 - 322 - 1125 - 532 - 141 - 107 - 138.5 - Stock, power limite 97.4%
Impreza S 2:02.344 - 334 - 1100 - 547 - 141.5 - 107.5 - 138 - Stage 1 turbo, power limiter 95.0%
RX-7 ---- 2:02.347 - 337 - 1100 - 534 - 143 - 107.5 - 140 - stock
IS350 --- 2:02.379 - 361 - 1150 - 551 - 142.5 - 108.5 - 139 - Stage 3 engine tuning, power limiter 97.0%
Garaiya P 2:02.381 - 352 - 1175 - 537 - 142.5 - 107.5 - 139 - stock
MR-S ---- 2:02.3xx - 320 - 1125 - 538 - 143 - 107.5 - 140 - Stage 1 turbo, power limiter 88.4%
Impreza P 2:02.423 - 361 - 1100 - 551 - 143.5 - 108.5 - 140 - Stage 3 turbo, power limiter 93.1%

Obviously the cars aren't as close as the results suggest, because it depends on the lap (my driving) and the different tracks you race at. But have a go and see if they're as close for you.

I increased the MR-S' pp by 1 from last time and it made it a tenth or so faster but I forgot to write down it's lap time, hence the .3xx.

 

[SteelToedSloth]

I can't seem to understand why my IS350 is having way too much HP.

I rechecked my tuning a couple of times. I have the Stage 3 turbo, limited to 97.8% and it's generating 445hp & 581pp, not the 362hp & 551pp it is supposed to be generating

Does anyone have a clue what's going on?

Also, is chassis reinforcement still allowed on some GT300 cars?

 

[OwensRacing]

I can't seem to understand why my IS350 is having way too much HP.

I rechecked my tuning a couple of times. I have the Stage 3 turbo, limited to 97.8% and it's generating 445hp & 581pp, not the 362hp & 551pp it is supposed to be generating

Does anyone have a clue what's going on?

Also, is chassis reinforcement still allowed on some GT300 cars?

Stage 3 engine?

Otherwise unexplainable. Buy another one? Hahaha

 

[Denilson]

Steel:
IS350 --- 2:02.379- 362 - 1150 - 551 - 142.5 - 108.5 - 139 - Stage 3 engine tuning, power limiter 97.8%

As Owens just said, it's the engine tuning, not the turbo. Fortenutly, you don't need to buy a new one since the turbo is removeable. But be sure to remove it! The car will be illegal if not. And when removed, go to the parts shop and buy the Engine tuning, stage 3.

"Also, is chassis reinforcement still allowed on some GT300 cars?"
You have to ask Aderrrm. I did not try any of the GT500 cars out with it mounted, so for the GT500's, no chassis reinforcements are allowed. And my guess would be that Aderrrm did not use it on any car either. If he did, he'd state it alongside the other upgrades. But I can't say for sure.

Aderrrm: Did any of the GT300's you tested have the chassis reinforcements added?

BTW: Just had a PM conversation with Imari. He said hello to all of you, and he is doing just fine. He's at the moment in Melbourne and are starting a new job today. He aim to get back to GT (and hopefully to us) as soon as he can find a decent setup for his PS3.

 

[ultrap13]

I can't seem to understand why my IS350 is having way too much HP.

I rechecked my tuning a couple of times. I have the Stage 3 turbo, limited to 97.8% and it's generating 445hp & 581pp, not the 362hp & 551pp it is supposed to be generating

Does anyone have a clue what's going on?

No turbo, just a Stage 3 engine upgrade.

 

[competizione]

BTW: Just had a PM conversation with Imari. He said hello to all of you, and he is doing just fine. He's at the moment in Melbourne and are starting a new job today. He aim to get back to GT (and hopefully to us) as soon as he can find a decent setup for his PS3.

great to hear hope he will be back soon

 

[Andil]

I have the same problem with the is350, at 362 bhp, the PP value doesn't match. Should we use the bhp or pp value to aim for?

I was using engine stage 3 only though - so could the numbers be confirmed maybe? Was aderrrm's fully run in, oil change done, etc?

 

[Denilson]

Could be that Aderrrm using different aero settings. The official allowed pp number are when the engine is fullt run in, oil change just made and aero set to max.

The aerosettings can ofc be tweaked, but the engine specs can not.

 

[Adam41]

Sorry about this. I thought I had the Lexus fully run in. I was only 8 miles or so from full-break in. It should now look like:

IS350 --- 2:02.379 - 361 - 1150 - 551 - 142.5 - 108.5 - 139 - Stage 3 engine tuning, power limiter 97.0%

As for chassis reinforcement, I didn't use it on any of the cars I tested so it isn't allowed.

 

[Andil]

Cheers! 361 is what I was running at, so that looks better!

 

[KamyKaze1098]

Lol. Yeah I thought the numbers were off a little too. But my game is in HP not BHP. So I thought that was the reason for the difference.
So we set the specs on the mods and the power limiter with the car broken in, and we should all run the same. I need to find a good converter to check the difference.
And regarding PP I never run full aero, soo my PP doesn't match.

 

[Adam41]

And regarding PP I never run full aero, soo my PP doesn't match.

Really? I've always thought the advantage gained down straight with less aero is less than the advantage gained running max aero giving better braking and cornering.

 

[KamyKaze1098]

Really? I've always thought the advantage gained down straight with less aero is less than the advantage gained running max aero giving better braking and cornering.

I like my cars to oversteer a LOT. So I use less downforce at the rear, thus giving me better turn in. 👍

 

[Paginas1]

I love better turn in but i hate it when i hit the breaks and the back end slides out, i panic and make it ten times worse and end up in a wall or grass lol

 

[Adam41]

I've always thought full engine break-in on GT5 was at 150 miles, but it's actually 200.

So my premium Garaiya and RX7 weren't actually fully broken in either. I've changed the results above to give the proper BHP and PP for each of these aswell as the IS350. This will probably mean the Garaiya and RX7 could break into the .2xx barrier with around 4 BHP more but it's nothing major.