GTP Online Racing Bureau (GTP ORB) Now Hiring!

gogatrs · Aug 13, 2011

R1600Turbo
I say just start everyone out with a Beginner license, and as they gain experience in all the ORB approved series, that will upgrade their license. If someone isn't fit to race in one of the higher Tier leagues, then let the series founder make that decision. Most of the time people will only sign up for a series they know they can compete in competitively anyway.

Well I know I can't compete in GT2 in GTPFIA, but I still race!

Haven't we already had this discussion?

Ruta · Aug 13, 2011

EliteDreamer
What you want is offline license tests. That would involve honesty. Or at least video proof which most can't do.

I like it how it is and I don't see a better way to do the tests.

How can people not give video proof? Just save the exported replay to a USB drive and upload it to Mediafire, then post the link for download.

JLawrence · Aug 13, 2011

Ruta
How can people not give video proof? Just save the exported replay to a USB drive and upload it to Mediafire, then post the link for download.

But a lot of people (like me) wouldn't know how to do that, or even have a USB for that matter.

dsgerbc · Aug 13, 2011

There's WRS, where there is random verification of X% of submissions. Submitting replay of an offline license test is pretty easy. I'd say take AMG intermediate full lap special event with traffic, set time for 'intermediate' and 'advanced' licenses, and prohibit any contact during test. And do the rest like WRS registry qualifier. After that whatever system with zero verification work, just factoring off league race results.

Ruta · Aug 13, 2011

JLawrence
But a lot of people (like me) wouldn't know how to do that, or even have a USB for that matter.

Well, USB thumb drives are ridiculously inexpensive nowadays (8GB for $14.99 off of Amazon), and it's not that hard to put up a tutorial. Here, you can even use this:

1. In the video replay menu in GT5, press triangle and select "Export Replay as Save Data".
2. Exit GT5, and insert USB thumb drive into a USB port on the PS3.
3. Go to the Save Data Utility on the PS3's XMB menu (the main menu you always use), and copy the exported replay data to the USB thumb drive.
4. After the data has been copied, remove the USB thumb drive from the USB port on the PS3, then insert it into a USB port on your PC or Mac.
5. Copy the ENTIRE replay data folder (Path on the thumb drive should be /PS3/Savedata or something very similar to that) onto your PC.
6. Archive the ENTIRE data folder using a program like Winzip (PC) or the by right-click and selecting "archive selected folder" (Mac).
7. Sign up for an account at www.mediafire.com, and upload the .zip file you created.

Wardez · Aug 13, 2011

dmanaenk
There's WRS, where there is random verification of X% of submissions. Submitting replay of an offline license test is pretty easy. I'd say take AMG intermediate full lap special event with traffic, set time for 'intermediate' and 'advanced' licenses, and prohibit any contact during test. And do the rest like WRS registry qualifier. After that whatever system with zero verification work, just factoring off league race results.

That's a great idea that works for WRS but instead of trying our own version of the same thing it would be easier to just have every one register for the WRS. But we're not the WRS, we're not about hotlapping and so it's going to be a very different process.

Yes it sounds stupid right now, everything did in its inception. But once you guys realize that we're aiming high and tweaking along as we go to make it easier on every one then hopefully you can have faith that no this is not going to take forever to get people licensed and we will find our way soon. Won't be overnight.

Really appreciate the input though.

I'm starting up a room for testing different car and track combos right now, it's only going to be up for a while so jump in if you can asap:

~~1472 6118 3615 5261 7083~~ Closed

JLawrence · Aug 13, 2011

May be a dumb question...but... What are the numbers there?

Downhill Dino · Aug 13, 2011

That's the room number. I don't know what they do though. :lol:

Wardez · Aug 13, 2011

You can manually enter the room number to join it.

I ended up practicing for the Capp's since I realized the race is quite soon so no info. just yet from me, perhaps after the race.

Later.

JLawrence · Aug 13, 2011

Well, I have a lobby up atm for whoever is on if y'all wanna try it some.

Downhill Dino · Aug 13, 2011

Wardez
You can manually enter the room number to join it.

I ended up practicing for the Capp's since I realized the race is quite soon so no info. just yet from me, perhaps after the race.

Later.

Where can I do that? :dunce:

CodeRedR51 · Aug 13, 2011

EliteDreamer
Where can I do that?

Click "Open Lobby"

At the bottom there are two little buttons. One is to start your own room, and the little one next to it lets you input the numbers that Wardez had posted.

Downhill Dino · Aug 13, 2011

Ohhh... very nice. Thanks for the information. 👍

W3H5 · Aug 13, 2011

You guys want to officially sanction my new competition? I've got a few sponsor lined up, though maybe you would like to be involved somehow and add it to your list of race series'.

gogatrs · Aug 13, 2011

shem
You guys want to officially sanction my new competition? I've got a few sponsor lined up, though maybe you would like to be involved somehow and add it to your list of race series'.

In the future, that could be an option.
But for now, I think we'll stick to A Spec lol.

Not much we could do to actually help out with that anyways.
Or is there?

I may/may not have a dead period this weekend until Momday evening depending on whether or not my hotel has free WiFi.
Real racing first!
Gotta go to bed now.

W3H5 · Aug 13, 2011

gogatrs
Not much we could do to actually help out with that anyways.
Or is there?

Errr..... I don't really know myself! :lol:

JLawrence · Aug 13, 2011

I think about the only thing we'd be good for in that series is spicing up the OP with "Official GTP ORB" stuff.

CodeRedR51 · Aug 13, 2011

I've taken the liberty of creating a list of racing series I think we should encourage people to create when under the ORB banner. Some of them have already been created, however have not joined us yet and/or won't be part of our "thing". I also have organized them into groups pertaining to where they might fit into the Tier'd system. (Which I believe we should re-think)

Taken = RED

Tier 1:

Formula 1
LeMans
American LeMans
FIA GT1 / GT2
Super GT (GT500/GT300)
NASCAR + Classic NASCAR
DTM
Indy Car
World Rally
Endurance Racing (All)

Tier 2:

FIA GT3 / GT4
Spec Viper ACR
Lexus IS-F Cup
Integra Cup
Formula 3
Gallardo Trophy Cup
Porsche GT3 Cup
Trans Am
World Challenge
Ferrari Challenge
Corvette Challenge
Ferrari 458 Cup
Lotus 111R Cup
Nissan GT-R Challenge (no R35)

Tier 3:

Spec Miata (FMSC)
GSX-R/4 Challenge
Rally Cross
Mustang Challenge
S2000 Cup
Caterham Challenge
Spec NSX
Nissan Z Cup
Cappuccino Cup
Renault Sport Cup

Tier 4

Miata Cup (Hard Dog Challenge)
Trueno Cup
Honda CR-Z Cup
Nissan mm-R Cup
Jetta Challenge
Spec Audi TT
Spec Focus
Lupo GTi Cup
March Cup
Mini Challenge
Kart Racing

MitchZ06 · Aug 13, 2011

So where would my rather loose spec BPR Global GT stand on that list?

Downhill Dino · Aug 13, 2011

Mini Challenge is Tier 4?

It's updated! Take a look.

Nice list by the way. Also I might start an S2000 Cup once Mini Challenge is over. Gotta love the S2000s.

JLawrence · Aug 13, 2011

And where would the VSCS fall in there?

CodeRedR51 · Aug 13, 2011

MitchZ06
So where would my rather loose spec BPR Global GT stand on that list?

It's a Super GT based series, so that should tell you.

EliteDreamer
Mini Challenge is Tier 4? It's updated! Take a look.

Nice list by the way. Also I might start an S2000 Cup once Mini Challenge is over. Gotta love the S2000s.

I made that list according to how I think the Tier system should be. You'll notice I dropped the FMSC down to Tier 3 due to this. You might be OK going up to Tier 3, I based it loosely on slower cars at the bottom to faster cars at the top.

JLawrence
And where would the VSCS fall in there?

Tier 3?

MitchZ06 · Aug 13, 2011

R1600Turbo
It's a Super GT based series, so that should tell you.

It's a FIA/BPR 90's GT based series...

Downhill Dino · Aug 13, 2011

Shouldn't it go off of something else? Like competitiveness? How well organized it is? Just asking. Wardez did say if I got rid of the pace car it would shoot me up to Tier 3.

CodeRedR51 · Aug 13, 2011

MitchZ06
It's a FIA/BPR 90's GT based series...

Oh, my bad. But yeah, still Tier 1. 👍

EliteDreamer
Shouldn't it go off of something else? Like competitiveness? How well organized it is? Just asking. Wardez did say if I got rid of the pace car it would shoot me up to Tier 3.

I think it makes more sense to to it my way, don't you think?

JLawrence · Aug 13, 2011

Tier 3 sounds good to me. Already got the banners!

MitchZ06 · Aug 13, 2011

R1600Turbo
Oh, my bad. But yeah, still Tier 1. 👍

Instant credibility! Lol, I've been considering having it as a ORB sanctioned series to use it as a bit of a test bed for ORB rules, points scoring, etc.

Ruta · Aug 13, 2011

R1600Turbo
I've taken the liberty of creating a list of racing series I think we should encourage people to create when under the ORB banner. Some of them have already been created, however have not joined us yet and/or won't be part of our "thing". I also have organized them into groups pertaining to where they might fit into the Tier'd system. (Which I believe we should re-think)

Tier 2:

FIA GT3 / GT4
[*]Spec Viper ACR

Lexus IS-F Cup

Integra Cup

Formula 3

Gallardo Trophy Cup

Porsche GT3 Cup

Trans Am

World Challenge

Ferrari Challenge

Corvette Challenge

Ferrari 458 Cup

Lotus 111R Cup

Nissan GT-R Challenge (no R35)

Exorcet and I are interested in making our Spec Viper ACR-X Series we started into a championship-style series, so I'm glad to be seeing you agreeing that it should be included. Actually, if you'd like to work with us on designing it to be a Tier2 Series, it would be more than welcome.

R1600Turbo
I made that list according to how I think the Tier system should be. You'll notice I dropped the FMSC down to Tier 3 due to this. You might be OK going up to Tier 3, I based it loosely on slower cars at the bottom to faster cars at the top.

What about looking at it in terms of accessibility to drivers of different skill levels? I'd say FMSC is pretty tough to get into based off of the types of drivers in it - very competitive.

CodeRedR51 · Aug 13, 2011

Seriously, I think that is the way it should be done. If you come in under the ORB banner with a beginner license, you should start out in a Tier 4 series until you get a championship or enough wins to qualify to move up to Tier 3, etc. This really is a better way to do it, but I know my idea will get shot down. (or ignored like it has been)

Edit: Thanks Ruta. I'll mark it as Taken. I would be glad to help. 👍

JLawrence · Aug 13, 2011

I like the idea a lot, but if that's the case can we call the VSCS Tier 2 because of the skill level of the drivers that are taking part?

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