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GT500 Regs - Open PP tuning.
All cars must be fully broken in, same as they would with set specs.
Modifications are unlimited.

YMS Yellowhat Supra - 596PP
Xanavi, Calsonic, Yellowhat GTR - 596PP
Motul Autech GTR - 597PP
Takata, Arta, Raybrig, Stealth NSX - 597PP
Denso, Petronas SC430 - 598PP
Bandai Direzza SC430 - 600PP
Eneos SC430 - 601PP
Tom's Castrol Supra - 603PP
Nissan Xanavi Nismo Z - 607PP​
 
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Any Aero settings and any mods installed allowed? Hmm, im gonna take forever to set up the car :lol:
 
Thanks to Sail IC for ideas and testing help. 👍

Very promising set of specs if I do say so myself. :D
 
I think it will be very interesting to see how these specs turns out when racing together. I have no clue which one will be the best as they all posted very similar laptimes on both slow and fast tracks.

For you who haven't got a clue what to pick, here is what I found out when testing them. These are of course just my opinions, so take it for what its worth.

All GTRs:
This is a very easy car to tune and drive. Good alrounder. In many cases this has been the car everybody wants to have, but it might not the fastest this time. It wasn't for me.

Lexus Petronas/Denso:
Very similar to the GTR but with a little more stable rear. Compared to the GTR, I think the Lexus P/D will be a little better on twisty track and the GTR a little better fast tracks.

Lexus Bandai:
Don't get fooled of its lower 35/60 max downforce. When driving it, it doesn't seem to have less grip than the Petronas/Denso. And it has a higher straight line speed. This car might surprise.

Lexus Eneos:
A very different Lexus. It almost feel like a mix between a Lexus and a NSX. Its the fastest Lexus down the straight, but you have to be able to control its lively rear.

NSX:
At this low PP, even if the NSX still is a challange to drive, its not as hard as at higher PPs (power). For someone who knows how to tune and drive it, the NSX might very well win this time.

Supra Yellowhat:
This car is even faster down the straight than the NSX, and its not difficult to drive. Sounds like a dream car, but you will have to solve its inherant understear and watch out for excessive front tire wear.

Castrol Supra:
With its 50/70 downforce, this is the most flexible car when you're allowed change downforce to get more/less HP. For the guy who wants to spend time testing different settings at each track, you might very well win the championship with this car. Its a bit heavier, but that Turbo gets it moving.

Nissan Xanavi Z:
With its huge torque this might very well be the best car for slow tracks. But when that big turbo kicks in you better be prepared. Not the easiest car to control and to avoid power spins. But if you can tune it well other cars will struggle to keep up. And its not that slow down the straight as well.

Hope this might help some of you less experianced guys to find the car that suits you.

Good luck
 
I didn't post since a long time in this thread but i have read many of the last pages and I totally agree with the Sail IC's ideas. big thumbup ;)👍
 
MONSTAR-1
What's the front tyre wear on the Castrol supra compared to the YMS supra?
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Really depends on the driver/track/tune.
I can't really tell you what you'll experience, you have to test exact things like that out yourself.

I usually run the rears out first on any car, at any track. I struggle to make the front tires wear more, just to even them out.:dopey:
 
Just one question regarding the specs: Are we allowed to put any mods into the cars(Turbo, Engine Stage, etc). If not, how are you going to catch those people who will install the mods and then power limit them? I think some mods don't change the cars' rev limit or any noticeable change.

The specs sound great, low PP, less power. But is it an anti-cheat spec? Is it easy to catch the cheaters?

Edit: Just read that mods are unlimited. Hmm, aren't these PP levels stock ones? The GTR stock goes over 596PP, so with mods unlimited everyone will just put all the parts into the car and then power limit them. :(
 
I have now run all the GT300 cars 15 laps at Suzuka. Stock setup apart from the current specs.

I wanted to find out about tyre wear, Celica and the Garaiyas are the winners, RX-7's are also good, Imprezas losing out.

Times after 10 laps (before tyre wear gets ridiculous), corrected for bigger mistakes:

Garaiya '08: 21:18,68
Garaiya '03: 21:16,93
IS350: 21:18,37
Impreza '08: 21:16,81
Impreza '03: 21:19,44
RX-7 '06: 21:21,40
RX-7 '04: 21:17,46
MR-S: 21:20,98
Celica: 21:18,57

Average 21:18,74.

Conclusions:
  • RX-7 '06 too slow. Much more twitchy than the '04, and it just feels like nothing happens when you floor it.
  • MR-S not as stellar as I thought, but I was a tired when I did that, so probably ok.
  • Impreza '08 is too fast. It also has the worst tyre wear by far, but that can be mitigated rather easy without losing the speed and handling advantage.
  • I think I just found a good rhythm with the Garaiya '03, not sure.
I have no idea yet how much to add or subtract, or how, these are just my findings so far. I am aware the clock is ticking, if there is still time I will test some more tomorrow with reasonable tunes and without tyre wear.

It would be nice to hear some opinions from some of those who ran in the previous seasons.
 
NEPALII
Just one question regarding the specs: Are we allowed to put any mods into the cars(Turbo, Engine Stage, etc). If not, how are you going to catch those people who will install the mods and then power limit them? I think some mods don't change the cars' rev limit or any noticeable change.

The specs sound great, low PP, less power. But is it an anti-cheat spec? Is it easy to catch the cheaters?

Edit: Just read that mods are unlimited. Hmm, aren't these PP levels stock ones? The GTR stock goes over 596PP, so with mods unlimited everyone will just put all the parts into the car and then power limit them. :(
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We can catch the cheaters. No worry for that.

A little exemple for the GTR:
Stock: Max is 9000rpm (so, no engine upgrade installed) - No turbo jauge
Tuned: Max is 12000rpm (so, engine upgrade installed) - Turbo jauge
You can easily check this on the "watch mode" ;)
 
Litchi
We can catch the cheaters. No worry for that.

A little exemple for the GTR:
Stock: Max is 9000rpm (so, no engine upgrade installed) - No turbo jauge
Tuned: Max is 12000rpm (so, engine upgrade installed) - No turbo jauge
You can easily check that on the "watch mode" ;)
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But it says mods unlimited... I'm so confused right now :lol: Mind helping me? :D
 
CSLACR
GT500 Regs - Open PP tuning.
All cars must be fully broken in, same as they would with set specs.
Modifications are unlimited.

YMS Yellowhat Supra - 596PP
Xanavi, Calsonic, Yellowhat GTR - 596PP
Motul Autech GTR - 597PP
Takata, Arta, Raybrig, Stealth NSX - 597PP
Denso, Petronas SC430 - 598PP
Bandai Direzza SC430 - 600PP
Eneos SC430 - 601PP
Tom's Castrol Supra - 603PP
Nissan Xanavi Nismo Z - 607PP
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This is what I read. Unlimited mods.
 
@cicua: Could you please test the Honda S2000 LM Race Car (full tuned)? I really think this car can fight with the others, and if yes, i'd like to add it on the spoiler.
 
Litchi
@cicua: Could you please test the Honda S2000 LM Race Car (full tuned)? I really think this car can fight with the others, and if yes, i'd like to add it on the spoiler.
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Yes, but not until tonight.

Altezza Touring Car - any thoughts? (have not tried it yet)
 
Litchi
We can catch the cheaters. No worry for that.

A little exemple for the GTR:
Stock: Max is 9000rpm (so, no engine upgrade installed) - No turbo jauge
Tuned: Max is 12000rpm (so, engine upgrade installed) - Turbo jauge
You can easily check this on the "watch mode" ;)
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What GTR are you driving? :P
Mods are unlimited though, so it doesn't matter.👍

NEPALII
Just one question regarding the specs: Are we allowed to put any mods into the cars(Turbo, Engine Stage, etc). If not, how are you going to catch those people who will install the mods and then power limit them? I think some mods don't change the cars' rev limit or any noticeable change.

The specs sound great, low PP, less power. But is it an anti-cheat spec? Is it easy to catch the cheaters?

Edit: Just read that mods are unlimited. Hmm, aren't these PP levels stock ones? The GTR stock goes over 596PP, so with mods unlimited everyone will just put all the parts into the car and then power limit them. :(
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Yes and no. You can lower aero and use less power limiter, and/or you can add upgrades and reduce aero even further.
Mods are unlimited.

cicua
I have now run all the GT300 cars 15 laps at Suzuka. Stock setup apart from the current specs.

I wanted to find out about tyre wear, Celica and the Garaiyas are the winners, RX-7's are also good, Imprezas losing out.

Times after 10 laps (before tyre wear gets ridiculous), corrected for bigger mistakes:

Garaiya '08: 21:18,68
Garaiya '03: 21:16,93
IS350: 21:18,37
Impreza '08: 21:16,81
Impreza '03: 21:19,44
RX-7 '06: 21:21,40
RX-7 '04: 21:17,46
MR-S: 21:20,98
Celica: 21:18,57

Average 21:18,74.

Conclusions:
  • RX-7 '06 too slow. Much more twitchy than the '04, and it just feels like nothing happens when you floor it.
  • MR-S not as stellar as I thought, but I was a tired when I did that, so probably ok.
  • Impreza '08 is too fast. It also has the worst tyre wear by far, but that can be mitigated rather easy without losing the speed and handling advantage.
  • I think I just found a good rhythm with the Garaiya '03, not sure.
I have no idea yet how much to add or subtract, or how, these are just my findings so far. I am aware the clock is ticking, if there is still time I will test some more tomorrow with reasonable tunes and without tyre wear.

It would be nice to hear some opinions from some of those who ran in the previous seasons.
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Good stuff.👍

Breaking my last one in now, should get some runs tonight.
I'm tentative about the 08 Subaru, because being 4WD makes it easier to run good laps, but the tire wear being worse can also mean extra pit stops in races. As you know, 1 extra pit stop = 25-30 seconds.

Looking at the specs I do see a few oddities between what you would think should be almost identical cars, should have better insight after some runs.

From what I heard, the S2000LM and Altezza touring car simply don't have the grip.
I do plan to give the NSX RM a run tonight just in case, but I also heard that was to slow too.
"The NSX RM is terrible, driving it at Suzuka makes me want to get out and walk instead" - IForceV8 :D
 
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Hey guys,

I'm free with my schedule, but everything that has happened recently (at home) has knocked a bit of enthusiasm out of me. Apologies if i've been on and off with my activity, i hope it hasn't damaged some of the interest in the league. Sponsor is still A-ok! I'm still in this 100% - but not right at this moment. I'll be really busy this week as im trying to finish up a bit of business at school and work. I should be back full time right when the season starts.

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Testing
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I'll have this up on the main thread too, just so everyone knows.
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CSLACR
Yes and no. You can lower aero and use less power limiter, and/or you can add upgrades and reduce aero even further.
Mods are unlimited.
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Well, I can just buy all upgrades to the car and then power limit it within the requred PP. This way I obtain the extra torque. Not to mention the aero, which I can run full as well, just power limit it more. :D

Won't this unbalance things a bit? Unless I'm wrong about all I said above. I like the fact we are using less power, but I'm iffy about this open mod thing. I'll do some testing tomorrow and see.
 
NEPALII
Well, I can just buy all upgrades to the car and then power limit it within the requred PP. This way I obtain the extra torque. Not to mention the aero, which I can run full as well, just power limit it more. :D

Won't this unbalance things a bit? Unless I'm wrong about all I said above. I like the fact we are using less power, but I'm iffy about this open mod thing. I'll do some testing tomorrow and see.
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You can do that, but your car will be slow as hell. ;)
The PP system punishes heavy power limiter use, hard.

The current specs/PP regs were picked for their flexibility, and equality in range.

Every car can increase it's power without an upgrade, and every car can either add a turbo or engine stage, lower aero, and make PP that way if they want a faster straight line car. The Castrol, Z, and GTR would all have a tough time adding any parts, but they can all go high enough on power stock that they're neither at a disadvantage, nor an advantage.

it's a very delicate balance, the whole system. Change the PP limits 1-2 up or down on all cars and you could have very different results.
Considered these hand made-hand selected from the finest ingredients recipes, for the best of the most equal options that can be found.

The design is based on all cars "stock", meaning every car has a prime range there. It's only on the fast tracks where anyone should even consider adding a power adder at all, minus a few select cars.
 
CSLACR
You can do that, but your car will be slow as hell. ;)
The PP system punishes heavy power limiter use, hard.

The current specs/PP regs were picked for their flexibility, and equality in range.

Every car can increase it's power without an upgrade, and every car can either add a turbo or engine stage, lower aero, and make PP that way if they want a faster straight line car.
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Ah ok this explains it well. :) So, I just need to find that perfect balance. I'll get testing tomorrow and see what happens.
 
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January, Friday 13th

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Class: GT500 or GT300
Car: Any available car - first come, first serve!
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PAL Conference
Connect Time: 19.30 GMT | 11.30 PST | 14.30 EST
Green Flag: 20.00 GMT | 12.00 PST | 15.00 EST​

GT500 / GT300 (Mixed Class)
Room Host: TBA
  • Honda Arta NSX '06.....................[ | ]
  • Honda Raybrig NSX '06..................[ | ]
  • Honda Takata Dome NSX '06..............[ | ]
  • Honda Stealth NSX .....................[ | ]
  • Lexus Petronas Tom's SC430 '08.........[ | ]
  • Lexus Denso Dunlop Sard SC430 '08......[ | ]
  • Lexus Bandai SC430 '08.................[ | ]
  • Lexus Eneos SC430 '08..................[ | ]
  • Nissan Calsonic Impul GTR '08..........[ themainman1980 | ]
  • Nissan Xanavi Nismo GTR '08............[ | ]
  • Nissan Xanavi Z '08....................[ GTF_Apollo | ]
  • Nissan YellowHat YMS Tomica GTR '08....[ | ]
  • Nissan Motul GTR '08...................[ | ]
  • Toyota YellowHat YMS Supra '05.........[ | ]
  • Toyota Castrol TOM's Supra '97.........[ | ]
  • Lexus Weds Sport IS350.................[ Paginas | | ]
  • RE Amemiya Asparadrink RX7 '06.........[ | | ]
  • RE Amemiya Asparadrink RX7 '04.........[ | | ]
  • Autobacs Arta Garaiya '08..............[ Litchi_GTPlay | | ]
  • Autobacs Arta Garaiya '03..............[ GTP_cicua | | ]
  • Subaru Cusco Dunlop Impreza '08........[ MrNiceRider | | ]
  • Subaru Cusco Advan Impreza '03.........[ | | ]
  • Toyota Weds Sport Celica...............[ Toyotsupra | | ]
  • Toyota Apex MR-S.......................[ | | ]
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Green Flag: 19.00 PST | 22.00 EST (Saturday 03.00 GMT)​

GT500 / GT300 (Mixed Class)
Room Host: TBA
  • Honda Arta NSX '06.....................[ GTP_CSL | ]
  • Honda Raybrig NSX '06..................[ plc2563 | ]
  • Honda Takata Dome NSX '06..............[ | ]
  • Honda Stealth NSX .....................[ | ]
  • Lexus Petronas Tom's SC430 '08.........[ | ]
  • Lexus Denso Dunlop Sard SC430 '08......[ | ]
  • Lexus Bandai SC430 '08.................[ | ]
  • Lexus Eneos SC430 '08..................[ | ]
  • Nissan Calsonic Impul GTR '08..........[ | ]
  • Nissan Xanavi Nismo GTR '08............[ MONSTAR-1 | ]
  • Nissan Xanavi Z '08....................[ | ]
  • Nissan YellowHat YMS Tomica GTR '08....[ | ]
  • Nissan Motul GTR '08...................[ | ]
  • Toyota YellowHat YMS Supra '05.........[ | ]
  • Toyota Castrol TOM's Supra '97.........[ | ]
  • Lexus Weds Sport IS350.................[ | | ]
  • RE Amemiya Asparadrink RX7 '06.........[ | | ]
  • RE Amemiya Asparadrink RX7 '04.........[ | | ]
  • Autobacs Arta Garaiya '08..............[ | | ]
  • Autobacs Arta Garaiya '03..............[ | | ]
  • Subaru Cusco Dunlop Impreza '08........[ | | ]
  • Subaru Cusco Advan Impreza '03.........[ | | ]
  • Toyota Weds Sport Celica...............[ | | ]
  • Toyota Apex MR-S.......................[ | | ]
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GT500 Regs - Open PP tuning.
All cars must be fully broken in, same as they would with set specs.
Modifications are unlimited.

YMS Yellowhat Supra - 596PP
Xanavi, Calsonic, Yellowhat GTR - 596PP
Motul Autech GTR - 597PP
Takata, Arta, Raybrig, Stealth NSX - 597PP
Denso, Petronas SC430 - 598PP
Bandai Direzza SC430 - 600PP
Eneos SC430 - 601PP
Tom's Castrol Supra - 603PP
Nissan Xanavi Nismo Z - 607PP
 
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.:Attention:.​

As you can see guys, there are a lot of available spots in each room. But actually, because of a GT5 bug, we can do a nice race with only 12 drivers per room. It means 6 GT500 and 6 GT300. We stop the sign up when there are 6 GT500 and 6 GT300 per room.

No worry there will be 2 room per conference = 48 spots. :)

Thank you
 
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Roll-call for the race already? :scared: I better get to sleep, wake up early and get testing before all spots are taken :D. Just dont take the GTRs or Lexus guys! Or you will regret it :lol:
 
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