Time Trial #54

Bumper for everything.

Just tried the bumper view, I think I've found my new tt-view.

As for the influence the rims have on the gearing, guess you learn new things every day

Last but not least, Active Steering does seem to make a difference when wringing the 'vettes neck, just knocked another 0,3 seconds of my time using it

Bumper view.

A few people have said 'how can you drive with that view?' my response was 'what view do you use?' most answer 'looking down on the car from behind, you can see more track.'
I say 'when you drive a car for real do you follow behind in a double decker bus?'

I've always used the bumper view.

Once you're used to it,it gives you an intuitive feeling of what the car is doing.

WightSparky

Firmly in the 1:19 club now.
Proving to be darn tricky this one.

If anyone is interested...


Engine: 582bhp (Stage 2 engine)
Power: 89.4%
Weight: 1401kg (Stage 3 reduction, windows & carbon bonnet)
Ballast: 180kg @40
Aero: 0 / 15
All PP free parts.

Height: 11 / 16
Spring: 11.5 / 12.4
Ext: 6 / 6
Comp: 5 / 5
ARB: 5 / 5
Camb: 2.7 / 2.2
Toe: 0.02 / -0.00

LSD: 12/16/7
Brakes: 6 / 5

Transmission: Reset to defualt, Set final to 3.280, Set Max Speed to 180, then set individual gears, then final ratio.
1st: 3.033 (should be all the way to left)
2nd: 2.290
3rd: 1.755
4th: 1.409
5th: 1.148
6th: 0.984 (should be all the way to right)
Final: 3.376 (173mph at the top)

I am pretty consistant in the 1:19's. Carefull throttle control needed, just cant quite get the rear in step.
Actually managed to get 154mph at the end of the straight at last.

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Hi WightSparky,

Is this tune for the Z06? You got 1:18.507 with it? Man, that's awesome!! 👍

I'll try it!

Thanks...

sportacus

Hi WightSparky,

Is this tune for the Z06? You got 1:18.507 with it? Man, that's awesome!! 👍

I'll try it!

Thanks...

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No, its for the ZR1. I may review the setup later from what i learnt from tuning the Z06. I have probably over emphasised the rear camber in the ZR1 and should be more like 1.1.
Added car to tune thanks for pointing it out.

Adrenaline

The issue with sharing cars, is that once you put them on share, you can no longer use them yourself. So every car we let you drive, it means we can no longer personally drive it. So, try to understand, that it's rather inconvenient to 'share' cars. In rare cases I understand, but if it's a premium car, you can simply buy yourself, then it's a different story. If it's the tune you're after, ask him to post it, if he doesn't post it, it's because he doesn't want to give away his hard work/effort/time, which I can't fault anyone for when it comes to competitions such as these TT.

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Thanks for explaining that Adrenaline.

I am aware that when on share one cannot use that car, however I recall someone (others) saying how they always have two cars when they put one up to loan or have finished using it. I presume that is the norm but I will stand corrected.

I can also understand that some people would jealously guard their tunes so that others cannot use them because..........well I'll bet they have a very good reason, but sportsmanship isn't it.

And I agree, these TT's are about as good as it gets on GT5, all the more reason to not share a tune or a car.

For some anyway.

Now I am going to have a race, the boys are asleep and it's nice and quiet.

Stotty

Ford RS200 Rally Car

The car is used, but I can't remember if it's had engine/chassis refresh as I haven't driven it for ages. It has had an oil change at some time in the past.

Parts
Engine stage 3, low RPM turbo

Settings
Ballast 200kg @ position 18
Aero 15 35
Power Limiter 97.3% (your's may differ depending on oil/engine referesh etc)

Mine makes 481bhp @ 1,180kg for 560ppts

Ride -10 -10
Spring 10.5 7.0
Rebound 4 4
Bound 3 3
ARB 1 6
Camber 1.6 0.8
Toe -0.10 +0.10

LSD (f) 5 40 5
LSD (r) 5 10 5

Torque 50 50

Brakes 1 6

Gears (set final to 6.000, set max speed to minimum, then set individual gears)
1st 2.585
2nd 1.830
3rd 1.410
4th 1.133
5th 0.928

It drives like a proper FWD rally car does on the loose - loose rear to help it turn off the throttle, then on the throttle to balance the oversteer and drag it out of the corners. Being 4WD, you also have the option to use the throttle to help it turn on some of the tighter corners, but the trick with this one is to avoid wheelspin as much as possible on the exits this loses you loads of time.

On the fast downhill switchbacks, you need to use the throttle to balance the off throttle oversteer... if it's too mobile for you, move the ballast forwards in increments of 5... this will make it a bit harder to turn in to the slower corners though.

I'll be having a go at refining this further later in the week as I think it still has a bt more to come.

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Nice tune Stotty!! Thanks
Had to change my driving style to make work - and work it did:tup:
Gained nearly 1.5 secs! Got me into the 400s, but for how long who knows!

Giulietta73

Nice tune Stotty!! Thanks
Had to change my driving style to make work - and work it did:tup:
Gained nearly 1.5 secs! Got me into the 400s, but for how long who knows!

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Cool... it's all about using weight transfer to turn the car in (ie; sliding the rear on entry) then avoiding sliding as much as possible on the exits... so it's a bit of a balancing act on the set up.

The gears are very short so you can short-shift to 3rd then quickly to 4th on the exits to help reduce wheelspin... I found that a bit easier than trying to hold 95% throttle in 2nd until it hooks up.

@ Stotty,

Thanks for sharing your tune, great help and lot of potential. It is possible to catch Amo with your setup.

Really need a holiday so I can play GT lol might book one soon :-) gotta hit them TTs hardcore wanna be in top 50 in both

Dalone

Thanks for explaining that Adrenaline.

I can also understand that some people would jealously guard their tunes so that others cannot use them because..........well I'll bet they have a very good reason, but sportsmanship isn't it.

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I personally cant be jealous of something i already have.
If you want the best you have to get it yourself, most tunes flying around are often of no help to me as there are tailored to the tuner that tuned them.
But sometimes a tune may come up that would help point out where i may be going wrong in a tune. Anyone who is really serious about GT will learn how to tune.

screp RC

@ Stotty,

Thanks for sharing your tune, great help and lot of potential. It is possible to catch Amo with your setup.

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Hi Screp,

yes, I think it's possible to catch Amo... Ron (MrP/Mysteron71) is using it (though I'm not sure if he's made any changes) and is currently in 4th c. 0.3 behind Amo... if you're using it too and only 0.2 behind then it definitely looks possible to catch him.... of course he may go faster

I have some ideas to improve it and will be working on it during this week - I'll post any changes I find help 👍

WightSparky

I personally cant be jealous of something i already have.
If you want the best you have to get it yourself, most tunes flying around are often of no help to me as there are tailored to the tuner that tuned them.
But sometimes a tune may come up that would help point out where i may be going wrong in a tune. Anyone who is really serious about GT will learn how to tune.

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True, however one has to start at the bottom and there is a heck of a lot to learn, it's really no different to tuning a real racing car, and who tunes them, certainly not blokes why have, 'had a go on GT5'.

In fact it takes many years to become even a reasonable tuner so it's not too much to expect those who can, to help those who can't.

And those who won't, to jealously protect their times, show very poor sportsmanship. And as far as I know, no one here has shown that as yet, and hopefully it will remain that way.

@ Stotty,

I applied your tune to the RS200, and set to give it a try to earn a spot in the Rally TT. I haven't driven a rally since I completed the special event (once) some 20 months ago. With the recent Thrustmaster update for rally steering improvement, and with my calling to stay away from 2.10 505pp online racing for some time, I was determined to see what I can do with this Rally TT event.

I practiced all of Sunday afternoon, and finished with a 1:03:9xx, some 2.8s below 1st place, granting me a 151st leaderboard spot, #3 in Canada. I was happy, and kept striving to come in top 100, but something in my driving style was preventing me from bettering my time still. I used your baseline tune, then tried altering it, and found a stiffer rear compression, and high front wheel IT LSD to help me more with various areas of the track. I even adjusted individual gears to find that power our of 3rd and 4th, but nothing I could do would give me a better time. some 6 hours later as I was about to shut off the PS3, I discovered something I've been neglecting, and that is to throttle blip on downshifts. I tried it once at the last long right bend to the finish/start line, and never did my car take such a fine line there before. I've been offthrottling the wrong sort of way for too long, looking forward to incorporate that into the next session .

Thx for your tune, it made this event so very fun and rewarding with consistency, where practice keeps improving the times, and stabilizing them.

Then took the C7 prototype corvette for some laps around the Deepforest TT, and earned silver at best for now. 1s from gold.

Hey stotty can I be cheeky and borrow your TT cars later 2nite as you know I can tune as good as Ricky Gervais from the office dances lol

WightSparky

No, its for the ZR1. I may review the setup later from what i learnt from tuning the Z06. I have probably over emphasised the rear camber in the ZR1 and should be more like 1.1.
Added car to tune thanks for pointing it out.

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Ok Sparky, thanks mate!! 👍

Dalone

True, however one has to start at the bottom and there is a heck of a lot to learn, it's really no different to tuning a real racing car, and who tunes them, certainly not blokes why have, 'had a go on GT5'.

In fact it takes many years to become even a reasonable tuner so it's not too much to expect those who can, to help those who can't.

And those who won't, to jealously protect their times, show very poor sportsmanship. And as far as I know, no one here has shown that as yet, and hopefully it will remain that way.

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Tuning in GT5 sometimes doesn’t work as you’d expect it to based on real life knowledge. You can sometimes find gaps in the model that allow weird settings to produce completely unrealistic results – such as the pre 2.09 high front/low rear ride height trick that not only unrealistically reduced understeer, but also increased top speed by 2-3%.

But IMO, this is not something to criticise PD over too strongly given how many variables there are and because they all interact and have an effect on each other to some extent – PD can probably model the individual elements correctly, but to be able to get multiple combinations of variables perfect is probably too much to expect.

It does take time to become a reasonable tuner… and it also helps if you’re a reasonably decent driver too. With experience comes an ability to get a good base tune, and a good driver has the ability to run consistent enough laps to be able to tell when a change is having the desired effect.

However, I have to disagree with the part of your post bolded above.

I would never consider someone unsporting if they chose not to share a tune.

TT’s are a competition to some extent or another and different participants are more competitive than others too. It’s up to the individual if they choose to share a tune openly that they have invested time developing and gives them a competitive advantage.

In any case, the vast majority wouldn’t benefit from having say, Amo’s tunes for example, as they wouldn’t have the skill to drive them. Plus there are enough tunes posted on this site that are capable of running competitive times in the right hands.

If someone posts a tune, look on it as a bonus. If someone doesn’t don’t think badly of them.

Sort of in a mix with the tune sharing . Seems that if some one posts a new tune, I keep getting bumped down !!!

Though this TT, it really seems that you really need to be gentle on the throttle...which I personally have an issue with in REAL LIFE!

Come on Dalone, I might have to buy insurance on the 100 Smooth inputs! Not to far from the Rat

Dalone

True, however one has to start at the bottom and there is a heck of a lot to learn, it's really no different to tuning a real racing car, and who tunes them, certainly not blokes why have, 'had a go on GT5'.

In fact it takes many years to become even a reasonable tuner so it's not too much to expect those who can, to help those who can't.

And those who won't, to jealously protect their times, show very poor sportsmanship. And as far as I know, no one here has shown that as yet, and hopefully it will remain that way.

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Takes time but if you read up on some of the tuning guides like Motor City Hami's it gives you a huge running start. No need to reinvent the wheel the basic tuning principles are well known and written about all over the place. But it does take a lot of hours of practice and fine tuning to really get a feel for what adjustments do what on which tracks.

I am actually surprised at how helpful people are on GTP with sharing tunes. I've never closely guarded any of my tunes but I'm actually surprised that so many guys put out so many tunes with no reward other than the satisfaction that they are helping others enjoy the GT5 experience. Is it poor sportsmanship not to share? No, not in the least. It's just not in everyone's nature to be generous like that, a lot of guys are just super competitive, and it does take time to throw the info together and post it, moreso if you include a pic and fancy graphics.

Stotty

I have some ideas to improve it and will be working on it during this week - I'll post any changes I find help 👍

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Excellent tune man 👍 did a 1:03.4 with this without aids (including ABS), just changed the BB to 2-4 and the ballast to position +10. Also, as my car has pretty dirty oil I'm running the high RPM turbo on it at 490BHP.

Stotty

Hi Screp,

yes, I think it's possible to catch Amo... Ron (MrP/Mysteron71) is using it (though I'm not sure if he's made any changes) and is currently in 4th c. 0.3 behind Amo... if you're using it too and only 0.2 behind then it definitely looks possible to catch him.... of course he may go faster

I have some ideas to improve it and will be working on it during this week - I'll post any changes I find help 👍

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Well, during the week I can´t play so I will test your improvements next weekend and have a go at Amo

WightSparky

yes... 1:18.507
I have left the 1:19 club.

I am now 0.002 behind SAFFY and 0.028 in front of pmjg66.

So far the Z06 tune is coming together quite well. (dare i say it)
Its got a slight twitchiness which most of the time i can deal with, it would be hard to explain but its so slight i cant tell if its the front or the rear where the problem is. For now it can stay, i still have the diff to go over yet.

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Well done on your time mate :-) gonna see what I can do later think I have a 1.18.7xx I think

@Wightsparky
Good going mate. 👍

Dalone

True, however one has to start at the bottom and there is a heck of a lot to learn, it's really no different to tuning a real racing car, and who tunes them, certainly not blokes why have, 'had a go on GT5'.

In fact it takes many years to become even a reasonable tuner so it's not too much to expect those who can, to help those who can't.

And those who won't, to jealously protect their times, show very poor sportsmanship. And as far as I know, no one here has shown that as yet, and hopefully it will remain that way.

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See, there you go spewing things out of your mouth which you have no idea of what you are talking about. It has nothing to do at all with jealously protecting one's times. I told you before, if you haven't got the talent, no amount of tuning is going to help you. There is no magical tune out there that is going to turn you into an instant superstar. Sure, it may help you shave a couple tenths off your time, but thats about it. No amount of tuning is going to change your talent level. I know this to be fact because I have used tunes before from people like Amo and the rest of the top drivers and their tunes were only good for a few tenths at best. That is why I took to tuning my own cars because I know what it is that I want from a car and what I want it to do.

Furthermore, anyone that has been a regular on these TT threads knows that I have no problem sharing my tunes or helping in any way I can. If you go back and look at past TT threads that I have participated in, you will see that I have no problem publishing my tunes. And if you should happen to beat me using my own tune, then good for you, I'm glad I could help. Its happened before where I've shared my tune and someone who is equal to me talent wise has beaten me with my own tune. I didn't lose any sleep over it and was simply happy I could help them achieve their goals. People here that know me know that the ultimate victory for me is helping someone achieve their goals. And for you to come on here and even incinuate that I will not share my tunes just for the sake of protecting my times is pure idiocy. That is what really pisses me off about you. For two weeks you call me out in two different threads, and here you are at it again incinuating that I won't share my tune because I'm afraid you'll inprove your time over mine. BS. You even called out one of my friends saying that he unfriended you because he was scared to be beaten by you. Again, BS. Dalone, who do you think you are that everyone is scared of you or worried about you beating them. Your behavior is really getting tiresome my friend. You are no one special here I am certainly not worried about you beating me. I think I have proved that. Now, just to further prove to you that you are wrong about me and your little incinuations, here is my tune. If it doesn't help you in the way that you hope, don't blame me, blame your talent level.

Vette Z06 '06

Aero 0/20
Ballast 164/12
Power Limiter 94%
LSD 10/14/12
RH 5/30
SR 13.0/12.5
Ext. 3/7
Comp. 2/6
ARB 3/5
Camber 2.0/0.5
Toe 0.10/-0.10
Brake Balance 1/5
Transmission
1st 5.969
2nd 4.170
3rd 3.224
4th 2.666
5th 2.249
6th 1.938
FG 2.000
TS 180
Set FG Set TS Gear ratios

Parts added.
Weight Red. 3 * Window Weight Red. * Carbon Hood * Chassis Reinforcement * ECU * Engine Stage 3 * Sports Intake Man. * Racing Air Filter * Sports Exhaust Man. * Cat. Conv. Sports * Titanium Racing Exhaust * All other upgrades.
655HP * 1342kg * Weight Partition 49/51

There you go. If it doesn't turn you into some super human top 10 driver, don't come crying to me. This works very well for me and my driving style. If it does help you or any others who may try it, then more power to you, glad I could help.

Dalone: I hope this puts an end to you calling me out in whatever way you can possibly find. After listening to you spew your nonsense for the last few weeks about me, I think I have went above and beyond my duties here as it concerns you. After all your crap I could have just as easily said FU, unfriended you and moved on...but I didn't so I hope that shows you what kind of person I am.

One last thing here. This is probably my last time here for awhile as I have to go in tomorrow for yet another back operation so I will be out of commision for awhile. I hope to be back tho sooner than later. Don't want to stretch this out any longer than I already have, so I will just say I will miss competing in the TT's and will miss all who I have competed against. Hopefully I will be back stronger than ever. Peace and god bless everyone. Hope to be back soon.

Mitch "CargoRatt"
NGU

Wow, you went totally opposite of me on the Z06

Maybe I am going the wrong way, but only putting time into the TT every other day.

BTW: I believe the word Talent is being over used. Talent is someone without much practice and either being quicker or as quick as you. Ive witness talent in real life and frustrating because I spent thousands on tires and parts and here comes Mr Talent to put down close ET's without much (recent) seat time. But, I believe his personal trainning in the PD accamedy is his major up on most.

* DOH forgot to edit out!

Kilmore

Excellent tune man 👍 did a 1:03.4 with this without aids (including ABS), just changed the BB to 2-4 and the ballast to position +10. Also, as my car has pretty dirty oil I'm running the high RPM turbo on it at 490BHP.

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Yes, I think dirty oil will help (I notice Amo has dirty oil)... I may send my bobs round the tsukuba 4 hour one night to dirty mine.

screp RC

Well, during the week I can´t play so I will test your improvements next weekend and have a go at Amo

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Cool... I can't normally run during the week either as I work away. But I'm away from home for 12 straight days now so I've brought my PS3 and wheel/stand with me... plenty of time in the evenings to refine the tune

Good luck 👍

GTP_CargoRat

This is probably my last time here for awhile as I have to go in tomorrow for yet another back operation so I will be out of commision for awhile. I hope to be back tho sooner than later. Don't want to stretch this out any longer than I already have, so I will just say I will miss competing in the TT's and will miss all who I have competed against. Hopefully I will be back stronger than ever. Peace and god bless everyone. Hope to be back soon.

Mitch "CargoRatt"
NGU

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Whoa, sorry to hear that Mitch. I'm guessing your operation will hopefully leave you in less pain than you're in now, but that you won't know before it's over. All the best mate. Keep us posted. The planet will be a poorer place without you so hurry back. I'm still gonna try and whip your ass with your own tune so watch this space
Alan

Good luck cargo hope all goes well for you see you soon ;-)

SirAlanClive

Whoa, sorry to hear that Mitch. I'm guessing your operation will hopefully leave you in less pain than you're in now, but that you won't know before it's over. All the best mate. Keep us posted. The planet will be a poorer place without you so hurry back. I'm still gonna try and whip your ass with your own tune so watch this space
Alan

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+100 !! hope you get better quickly!