2012 Malaysian Grand Prix

[Liquid]

As I mentioned a fair few pages back. The mistake may have just been a mistake and not 'accidentally on purpose' but I'm certain that Perez held back for 2nd.

It could have been because he was told to not upset the factory Ferraris, or it could have been because he didn't want to jepoardise 2nd place. Either way, 2nd is a great result for him but that race was there for the taking.

 

[hornet_burnout]

If it were the other way round, "people" would be defending Vettel saying "he had the racing line" "the overtaker has to clear the overtaken" "F1 champions do not lift" "he couldn't go into the wet with slicks" etc.

They were both too eager to hold on / get in to the narrow dry bit of trajectory.

🤬 happens. It's racing...

Now, where can I watch Indy next? Must be on already...

 

[MagpieRacer]

Awesome race, awesome results, hopefully this sets the tone for the rest of the season.

Shame the post quality in here wasn't as good as the race.

 

[Lizard]

As I mentioned a fair few pages back. The mistake may have just been a mistake and not 'accidentally on purpose' but I'm certain that Perez held back for 2nd.

It could have been because he was told to not upset the factory Ferraris, or it could have been because he didn't want to jepoardise 2nd place. Either way, 2nd is a great result for him but that race was there for the taking.

Nah I don't think he lifted how fast do you expect the sauber to go? 5 seconds a lap quicker than the Ferrari?

 

[mister dog]

You probably didnt watch the race very carefully... Vettel never left the line... it was the HRT that ran into him for no apparent reason... other than lack of skills from what I can gather from his own words - I was letting everyone through on blue flags because I was being told on the radio. I got on the white line, which was still damp, and I was on slicks obviously so I had a lot of wheelspin. I then had to come back on the track from the kerb, and he was there unfortunately and I could not do anything."

Never left the line? You call that a normal exit out of the corner then for Vettel? Wide line coming out of the corner is where K was positioned, as he was there Vettel had to move to the right and then cut back in when he tought he passed him, but he cut in to soon.

 

[Liquid]

Awesome race, awesome results, hopefully this sets the tone for the rest of the season.

2 races, 2 winners. And what great races they have been.

It's looking like McLaren have got the edge but the season has made a promising and excellent start.

 

[F1 fan]

Myself and Mazda were chatting about Perez and how he made a mistake and went wide, we both came to an agreement that Perez went wide "accidentally-on-purpose" and obviously had the speed but didn't want to upset the Factory team as they supply the engines.

I strongly disagree. For reasons already stated.

Now, where can I watch Indy next? Must be on already...

'tis. Yellow flag right now.

 

[hornet_burnout]

I strongly disagree. For reasons already stated.



'tis. Yellow flag right now.

Thanks... Should be live in PT but has been delayed because of tennis
(sorry for off topic)

 

[Famine]

Thank you for throwing allegations at me, despite tha fact, that I had arguments, backed up by video footage.

Are you kidding yourself there? ... so what are you talking about?

a wall of text won't change that, sorry.

Thx for proving you have no idea what you're talking about.

anyway, you're the "indigo one", with whom most people simply agree because he is who he is...

Same as always - not interested in anything but proselytising and then belittling everyone who dares disagree. Even though you've already served a site ban for it.

Now stick to your word:

I give up.

Or participate in adult discussions like an adult.

 

[Robin]

Great race, would have been a nice one to see live but the BBC did a good job of getting the best bits. Wanted to see more of the 50 min red flag period though, there always interesting stuff going on then.

In my opinion Karthikeyan was not responsible at all for the Vettel incident (nor the Button incident but that was already kind of a given). I think the stress that Red Bull is no longer the wonder car is getting to him badly and he's making mistakes. In any case the abuse Vettel is now throwing around is disappointing and unnecessary. HRT have a right to be there as much as anyone else that makes the 107% rule.

 

[TopGearFTW]

Gutted Sergio didn't win, would've loved to see him on the top step. Strange occurrance for Lewis to have such a quiet race, weird how he wasn't gaining on Sergio but at the same time Sebastian wasn't gaining on him.

Not even bothered that Alonso won, this season is shaping up to be fantastic, and as long as we don't slip back into the Vettel/Red Bull norm, I'm happy.

 

[Akmuq]

Brilliant race today, shame Perez couldn't get the win, would have been epic. As for the incident between Karthikayen and Vettel, it took a few more looks at it, but it was Narain's fault, that being said Vettel probably should have given a little more room, didn't need to but I would have just for security if I were an F1 driver.

Nah that wouldnt happen otherwise you would have McLaren behind Mercedes.

McLaren are well-established and one of the front-running F1 teams, widely known as one of the best, Mercedes aren't on that level of F1 fame or pace, so they won't be getting McLaren to listen to their orders anytime soon, between Ferrari and Sauber, it's quite a big difference.

 

[chromatic9]

Telling for me is the lead up into the corner.

He gets too wide on the wet curbs, big spray, has to correct his car a couple of times, he's squirming a lot and Vettel comes upon him very fast. I feel Vettel gives him enough room, Vettel makes a concerted effort to steer away when entering the corner but exiting he doesn't give enough room (for me) to avoid possible collisions for a struggling and recovering back marker and I think Vettel should've gone more to the right on exit while still on the racing line. If you watch the full onboard Vettel does it by the book but not very cautious on exit considering the conditions and wet curbs. Karthikayen is on the ropes, should be avoided and Vettel was a bit too nonchalant.

 

[hornet_burnout]

He did say he was going to show his finger again soon...

Oh wait, "wrong" finger!

 

[Bye Ya]

With some Vettel commentary.

 

[KWZX10]

What a fun race. Again, Alonso IS Ferrari right now, incredible race... I wasn't expecting this today.
And i'm really happy for Perez, today he showed to everyone that we really need to keep an eye (or two LOL) on him. 👍 Really proud to see his first podium, not the last one hopefully.

 

[tribolik]

Never left the line? You call that a normal exit out of the corner then for Vettel? Wide line coming out of the corner is where K was positioned, as he was there Vettel had to move to the right and then cut back in when he tought he passed him, but he cut in to soon.

No he didnt... watch the video (tip watch the dry line)

 

[Tuck !]

Just caught the race and I'm so glad I stayed out of all media so that I wont know the results before watching! What a beautiful race that was! Amazing what rain can do to F1, though the stops in between can get real annoying. Pity about the Mercedes... they just don't seem to have any race pace at all.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I'm not rambling. I was merely responding to your comment that Massa always blames others for incidents. Please do not accuse me of rambling. Read what I actually said. It's very clear.

Too late, also the whole animosity for Hamilton and the snide remarks that you make to partial fans or full blown fans is unwarranted. So yes I will call them ramblings, if you don't like it just ignore me. Never did I say Massa always blames others for incidents, rather I said he seems to live in a world of double standards.

It's alright for him to push people to the grass, but god forbid someone do it to Massa. Now he doesn't always complain, but watching what he did with Button it doesn't come as a surprise why other drivers would end up in his sidepod. Also don't take things so personally, I'm a user without a face to you and have been for a long time. It is the internet and that rambling bit was obviously me being sarcastic, or it would be to someone that isn't so serious about something that gains them nothing.

 

[Ardius]

Now I do not believe that it's a bad chassis on the Ferrari. A bad chassis would shred tires in these conditions. Not win the race.

A bad car doesn't necessarily mean bad tyre wear. It can mean a number of things.
But for Ferrari it appears to be a basic lack of overall downforce and a difficult car to setup and balance correctly.

Alonso and Ferrari benefitted from the conditions and a bit of luck but they were reasonably fast. The car isn't as terrible as feared and seems better in the race, perhaps it also doesn't really suit Massa's style where Alonso is one of the great "adaptors" of F1.

If a bad car only meant bad tyre wear, does that make the Mercedes the worst car on the grid? No, clearly its better than the HRT for example.

There seems to be a big difference between qualifying pace and race pace this year, more so than in the past. Several cars seem to gain whole seconds of pace from qualifying to the race and some cars seem to lose whole seconds of pace. The only cars which seem to be consistently good are the McLaren, Toro Rosso and the Lotus. Mercedes and Red Bull seem to go backwards a little in pace (though Red Bull weren't too bad), Ferrari seem to go forwards.
Williams and Sauber make the biggest jumps in performance come race day it seems.

 

[Sureboss]

Interesting race, though I think it would have been a better battle in dry conditions. Great to see Senna doing well and some very mixed up results!

As for the Perez situation, we only get part of the story, we don't know if the Sauber strategists/analysts saw Perez going wide prior to that radio call, or maybe he got a lot of wheelspin at various stages, you just don't know, not that I'd put it past the whole "letting Ferrari win" line, I don't think in this instance it was the case.

With Vettel, that's just careless driving, with that much closing speed he should have left more of a gap, he had the race track width to do so.

It was in situations like today and to a lesser extent at Melbourne, where last season Hamilton would have got a DNF or low points/outside the points, yet two third placed finishes when things weren't quite going his way. Hopefully he is learning.

Two superb races to kick the season off.

 

[MoLiEG]

My God! Sergio was so close!!! Would have been epic to see him on 1st place!

Alonso, on the other hand, was superb. HE IS FERRARI.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Williams and Sauber make the biggest jumps in performance come race day it seems.

Exactly, I think if these two teams could qualify well, their drivers would easily fight for podium every race. However both have young drivers that seem to get a bit too eager toward the end. The Williams obviously has speed, but a bit of bad luck toward the end of the races seems to snag them. Sauber on the other hand seem to have a handle on things, qualifying just doesn't help them.

STR seem to be alright, but what the heck happened to FI and Caterham don't seem to be gaining as much as last year it seems.

 

[photonrider]

Two superb races to kick the season off.

Yes. Watching these guys on Speed now (replay) battle it out in Malaysia. Even knowing the results already, I'm on the edge of my seat. Must have been an awesome race live.

 

[hornet_burnout]

A bad car doesn't necessarily mean bad tyre wear. It can mean a number of things.
But for Ferrari it appears to be a basic lack of overall downforce and a difficult car to setup and balance correctly.

Alonso and Ferrari benefitted from the conditions and a bit of luck but they were reasonably fast. The car isn't as terrible as feared and seems better in the race, perhaps it also doesn't really suit Massa's style where Alonso is one of the great "adaptors" of F1.

If a bad car only meant bad tyre wear, does that make the Mercedes the worst car on the grid? No, clearly its better than the HRT for example.

There seems to be a big difference between qualifying pace and race pace this year, more so than in the past. Several cars seem to gain whole seconds of pace from qualifying to the race and some cars seem to lose whole seconds of pace. The only cars which seem to be consistently good are the McLaren, Toro Rosso and the Lotus. Mercedes and Red Bull seem to go backwards a little in pace (though Red Bull weren't too bad), Ferrari seem to go forwards.
Williams and Sauber make the biggest jumps in performance come race day it seems.

Agree on the Ferrari issues, still think they have a good base.

And the others, they go backwards because...? Lose power? Lose aero through the race? No, they destroy tires and have to manage them. That is the reason they qualify well (getting everything out of the tires) but finish poorly (putting too much effort on them) IMO.

 

[Danny]

Now I actually want Alonso to fall off the road.

I'm turning cynic and thinking that was accidentally on purpose.

That Williams blowout... Alonso, slip on that oil!

...and that's quite enough from you.


Incredible drives by Alonso and Perez. Both positions were extremely well deserved. Both drivers getting 110% out of mediocre cars.

Loved this race. And I think the HRT has a future career as a police stinger.

 

[chromatic9]

For UK viewers here's 32mins of the F1 forum on BBC
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/17507063

 

[Liquid]

...and that's quite enough from you.

Yes it is. Those comments were heat of the moment and in retrospect neither productive nor informative.

I do like Alonso, but my passion for the underdog sometimes gets the better of me.

And to reiterate for the nth time, that really was a tremendous race. Will we get 3 different winners from 3 different races in China if Red Bull or Hamilton find their feet? 2012 is looking to be a genuinely exciting season.

 

[otakukid96]

I'm almost tempted to forget Vettel and go for Pérez.

 

[superbike81]

It's funny how I get called out by almost everyone for blaming Karth for the Vettel incident immediately after it happened but now 5 pages later people are like "oh well yeah I guess he did move."

He was penalized by race officials who have access to much more video footage than we do, so I think it's pretty clear.