2012 Malaysian Grand Prix
- Thread starter prisonermonkeys
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- SiiverArrow
Finally I see an interview with vettel, calling karthikeyan an idiot.
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- zedextreme8177
Brilliant race IMO! 
I would have loved to see Perez win, just that one mistake cost him it
Second place is not bad though, and I'd love to see Sauber move up in the ranks!
Grosjean: Fast, an excellent start, but way too many mistakes. Needs to improve a lot
And I cannot believe how everyone is blaming Karthikeyan for those incidents
I would have loved to see Perez win, just that one mistake cost him it
Second place is not bad though, and I'd love to see Sauber move up in the ranks!Grosjean: Fast, an excellent start, but way too many mistakes. Needs to improve a lot
And I cannot believe how everyone is blaming Karthikeyan for those incidents
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- GTP_DaxCobra
Link please.
ExigeEvan
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If you've ever ridden a bicycle or a motorcycle you'll know that road lines are lethal in the wet.I dont think he ever actually touches the curb.. At most he gets near the white line painted next to the curb. But for some reason he makes an aggressive cut right into the back of Vettel.(no pun intended)
Also, it wasn't an "aggressive cut", he was actually following what appeared to be the racing line at the time.
That's not to say he was without any blame, but it wasn't as reckless as some seem to be making out.
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- F1fan1
And I cannot believe how everyone is blaming Karthikeyan for those incidents
Few are blaming him for the incident with Button. It's pretty clear he was at fault in the incident with Vettel though.
The thing is, with the second incident, Karthikeyan has already had an off on the corner beforehand and he wouldn't have actually known the number of cars behind the first car. He can only assume there were cars behind him somewhere.
Additionally, that part of the track you have to move to the right a little bit to be on the safe side as to stay to the left hand side of the track would have been quite tricky (variable grip and so on).
If Vettel hadn't jinked left when he did, it wouldn't have been an issue at all.
Vettel assumed that he was pass the HRT car. Assuming makes an ass out of you. Which he found out to his cost today.
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- F1fan1
How exactly was this "the same garbage". Bearing in mind, this is only Ferrari's second race victory since Singapore 2010. I would have loved to see Perez win too, but he didn't.
I don't see how he "assumed" anything. Watch from 0:50. There was still room. Narain turned to his right and thus, contact was made.
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- Valkyrize92
And I cannot believe how everyone is blaming Karthikeyan for those incidents
Now that i'd saw the reply. Just one incident that he's the one to blame which is with Vettel but i'm with my mind, racing incident with Vettel move in too early.
Other incident, it wasn't his fault but still, he apologise to both of them. Good sportsmanship. 👍
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- Blaze_409
Looks can be decieving. Its actually confusing to tell who did the jinking if your just looking at both cars. Because if you look at the car it seems like VEttel moved Left....But upon closer inspection that isnt what happened.
Focus on Narain Karthikeyans left rear tire...Watch the gap betweenhis left rear and the red/white curbing go from 0 to there being a sizeable gap...that tells you that Karthikeyan moved not Vettel.Go to :46 seconds and focus on Karthikayans left rear tire. Watch the gap.
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- GTP_Famine
Yep - the same assumption Hamilton made with Kobayashi at Spa last year. But Kobayashi was fighting for position and Karthikeyan was being lapped...
As Coulthard said, Narain couldn't have made his car disappear but by following the racing line he put himself into the space Vettel thought he'd given him. Has to be a 50:50.
Vettel's comments and gestures don't help matters:
Vettel
Both cars moved. Vettel back to the racing line, Karthikeyan to follow the racing line (watch the cars in front).
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- SiiverArrow
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- Blaze_409
Meh I dont see it. Watching it from the front makes it even more obvious...The next corner was a left hander so why would the racing line be on the left at that point. they both where drifting right. Vettel sort of went straight even though the track was changing direction. Karthikeyan just went right. and instant slashing. I just watched one of vettel tires and its distance from the side of the track and not much really changes. even though the curb/white lines are curving he appears to just follow that.
When i look at the cars i cant tell whats going on because rightly so I shouldnt be able to without and reference points. When you watch the tires and distance to the curb you should see who moves.
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Well, that's what separates me from Formula 1 fans
I dont accept it, they do.
F1 fans seem more inclined to argue about somebody colliding with a backmarker then the fact the winner of the race simply told his challenger to "go away" and he did.
I'm done here, my opinion appears to be in the vast minority, I dont want to appear as trolling, so, if you guys are happy with racing like that, then by all means, enjoy yourselves.
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- F1fan1
I still do.
How exactly?
It would have been great if Perez had won, but this is a competition. Not pre-scripted wrestling. What happened, happened. No amount of whining can change that.
Never happened. Just because it looked like we were going to have a "fairytale" ending doesn't mean we were guaranteed it.
Fair enough. See you in the Chinese grand prix thread.
He was running fourth.
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- alexpkas
I would have preferred that those lame HRT's didnt even qualify for this race.
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- alexpkas
Are you kidding yourself there? KT had plenty of space to move to the left or stay where he was (in a straight line) but no, he has to turn to the right, where another car is, so what are you talking about?
Even if Vettel moved, there was NO need whatsoever for KT to move to the right, he HAD the space to avoid it=fact.
It should be easier for him to judge the distance than for Vettel, obviously.
Yes, what's your point?
Anyway, I thought this was pretty amusing. Vettel said this yeaterday after Qualifying.
"I think in race trim we might look a bit better, but nonetheless I think you can see that we dont have the easiest car to drive, we are aware of that and are pushing very hard."
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Because that's how the racing line works.
Vettel had just come out of a right-handed corner. The racing line eases to the outside of the track - where he contacted with Karthikeyan (and Karthikeyan moved slightly right on Vettel too - I agree with Famine here, 50:50). After that, the drivers drift back over to the right of the circuit for the left-hander.
It's not rocket science. Drivers don't exit a corner and immediately get in position for the next corner - they take the line of least resistance. It was just unfortunate for Vettel that another car was in that spot a little longer than he expected.
