2014 Belgian Grand Prix

Liquid
Duff comparison. The Caterham is a bad example of its kind, the Audi is a good example of its own kind. Plus, the two different cars are stronger aerodynamically in different areas. The F1 can exploit wings but the Audi can get a more streamlined overall body and covering the wheels. And that's before we talk about the restrictive design briefs in F1.
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He also namechecked the tyre sponsor so could be a number of reasons in his thinking. He's a pro.

Funny you say "restrictive design briefs" and then use the letters F1. Do you know what the F is for? (Don't be tempted by the joke... :) )

sems4arsenal
Wait, he isn't going to race?
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My mistake :D

@GTPorsche, ta, it's been a long day :D
 
gurizzi
Typical Euro's/Internationals trying to keep the Americans out. They knw they don't want the BEEF!!. F1 is great(obviously) but when u have only 1 American in the last 20 years, two Mexicans now, Maldanado & Kobayashi its gets a little WEAK....too bad im not a millionaire or id get ROSSI in myself. Ok Euro's, bring on the hateful replies!!
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I must have missed all those championships that Rossi has won then and I suspect that was tom chilton that raced in formula 3, formula renault, gp2 and the 2007 Le Mans series.
 
Legro
You mean Max Chilton? Tom Chilton is in WTCC.
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Highlight for me so far is Lotterer's Sky Sports F1 interview after FP2: Link

Shows you how far behind F1 has come in terms of tyres and downforce since 2010 and all changes deliberately done.
 
Saidur_Ali
Highlight for me so far is Lotterer's Sky Sports F1 interview after FP2: Link

Shows you how far behind F1 has come in terms of tyres and downforce since 2010 and all changes deliberately done.
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No, he says the F1 car is faster. So it's ahead. Already covered :)

The LMP corners faster because it has more downforce, the F1 car blitzes it on a lap because it's much much faster in a straight line.

If F1 cars reached their full potential instead of the Formula being modified then there wouldn't be any tracks left to race on or drivers capable of sustained performance.
 
Bram Turismo
The same can be said for LMP cars, though.
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True, however this was a comparison of today's F1 cars and today's LMP cars, they are where-and-what they are for all kinds of reasons, mostly survivability.

Back on-topic; 70% chance of rain tomorrow :)

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Hoping Hamilton turns things around here, both on the standings and with himself. Guy has bags of talent but his attitude peeves me off sometimes. One little thing goes wrong and he falls apart. If things turn out all right and we get both Mercedes on the front row we're in for one great battle, Spa is the circuit of circuits on the F1 calendar.
 
Chris123
Hoping Hamilton turns things around here, both on the standings and with himself. Guy has bags of talent but his attitude peeves me off sometimes. One little thing goes wrong and he falls apart. If things turn out all right and we get both Mercedes on the front row we're in for one great battle, Spa is the circuit of circuits on the F1 calendar.
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I didn't know things were going incredibly bad...I'd say Monaco and Canada was his low of the year and it's been on an upscale since and it helped with the Nico failure and win due to it. His attitude now is him coming off a summer break refreshed and ready to take the fight to the end if it has to go that way (which is highly possible). It always strikes me as strange that the harshest fans are from his area, and if he is too eager or confident people call him egotistical and dislike him for having such a winning attitude. When he feels he hasn't done good enough, people still dislike him because it's good to them but not his standard and thus they wish he'd learn to put a smile on.

Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Glad I'm not skilled enough to be the next Hamilton.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
I didn't know things were going incredibly bad...I'd say Monaco and Canada was his low of the year and it's been on an upscale since and it helped with the Nico failure and win due to it. His attitude now is him coming off a summer break refreshed and ready to take the fight to the end if it has to go that way (which is highly possible). It always strikes me as strange that the harshest fans are from his area, and if he is too eager or confident people call him egotistical and dislike him for having such a winning attitude. When he feels he hasn't done good enough, people still dislike him because it's good to them but not his standard and thus they wish he'd learn to put a smile on.

Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Glad I'm not skilled enough to be the next Hamilton.
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The guy is seems to get to involved in the celebrity aspect of it all in my opinion, I think he listens to the press too much and it get's inside his head. I also think he puts too much pressure on himself. I know he's fiercely competitive, but sometimes I think he just asks for too much, and makes mistakes as a consequence. Like if he is to have the perfect weekend if not for one little hitch, he'll beat himself up about it and not remind himself of his moments of greatness, kind of like Senna. He has to utterly dominate his opposition or it doesn't count sort of attitude.

In general no things aren't too bad considering what he's been through already, it's just that mentally he's very vulnerable and it could play a big part in the outcome of the championship.
 
Chris123
The guy is seems to get to involved in the celebrity aspect of it all in my opinion, I think he listens to the press too much and it get's inside his head. I also think he puts too much pressure on himself. I know he's fiercely competitive, but sometimes I think he just asks for too much, and makes mistakes as a consequence. Like if he is to have the perfect weekend if not for one little hitch, he'll beat himself up about it and not remind himself of his moments of greatness, kind of like Senna. He has to utterly dominate his opposition or it doesn't count sort of attitude.
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Well he's a racing driver that's done somethings only few others have done in the sport, so of course he puts tons of pressure on himself, and he should. I feel it makes him a better driver, beating himself up for what happened on Saturday leads to a guy making up four to five grids spots on the first lap during Sunday, or taking every advantage (though not all agree) given and driving to the podium from last at Hungary.

He also tends to this because of his idol, many big time names have one and thus he does many Senna like things. He doesn't try to make to much storm in the press but does like to speak his mind at times and likes to hang out with celebrities a couple things Senna did himself. The guy is a playboy off the track and a perfectionist on it, why is his life style all that bad to the point people are constantly getting upset over it?

In general no things aren't too bad considering what he's been through already, it's just that mentally he's very vulnerable and it could play a big part in the outcome of the championship.
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And I' sure he'd realize that and pick up the pieces and learn from it, clearly he's learned from dealing with his relationship issue during a race season as seen last year and still do a better job than tangle with Felipe every other race like 2011.
 
TenEightyOne
Got an example? I remember his last race he had to start at the back and put on, in my opinion, one of the most well-paced comeback runs of recent seasons. It's on the timesheets.
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Yes, that very race. On the podium he was asked if it was one of his best ever races and he replied, "No I don't think so", with a blank expression and sort of I could have done better look. Silverstone is another. He made a error of judgement and completely went into his own world. I remember him saying "The pain I felt that day". I understand he was disappointed, but emotionally he's vulnerable and it shows. He takes thing too heart too much. His racing has still been brilliant considering, he just needs to man up and stop being so hard on himself.
 
Chris123
Yes, that very race. On the podium he was asked if it was one of his best ever races and he replied, "No I don't think so", with a blank expression and sort of I could have done better look. Silverstone is another. He made a error of judgement and completely went into his own world. I remember him saying "The pain I felt that day". I understand he was disappointed, but emotionally he's vulnerable and it shows. He takes thing too heart too much. His racing has still been brilliant considering, he just needs to stop being so hard on himself.
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He could have that's why, he could have not pulled an almost rookie mistake on the first lap, and could have not assumed with Button (even if they both understood and agreed with the situation after) and possibly won the race or for sure had second. It was a great race, but he knows it could have been better and that's the truth.
 
Chris123
Yes, that very race. On the podium he was asked if it was one of his best ever races and he replied, "No I don't think so", with a blank expression and sort of I could have done better look.
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Are you aware of what happened during the race from a team point of view? Both drivers felt they'd been let down by the team and it's easy (in my opinion) to see the point of view of each.

Toto Wooollfff
Mercedes admit they have needed to calm the situation between team-mates and rivals Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg in recent weeks.

Tensions between the two title rivals were exacerbated by the last race in Hungary, during which Hamilton refused team orders to let Rosberg through.
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(Source)

Chris123
Silverstone is another. He made a error of judgement and completely went into his own world.
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Well, who knows what went on in that world after his disastrous 5th place in quali, somehow he struggled through to win his home grand prix in the world's fastest road racing car. He must have been in a bad way :D

And I'll add (before the common rejoinder) that I'm not particularly a Hamilton fan, just an F1 fan. I'm not sure I see the personal disaster in Hamilton's eyes that you do though :)
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
He could have that's why, he could have not pulled an almost rookie mistake on the first lap, and could have not assumed with Button (even if they both understood and agreed with the situation after) and possibly won the race or for sure had second. It was a great race, but he knows it could have been better and that's the truth.
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It seems your just coming off now as a biased Hamilton fanboy, your PSN does give it away quite a bit. Ye he could have not made those mistakes, then again I could have been a millionaire had I chosen the correct 6 numbers and so on and so forth. That's racing, never does everything always go how you wanted it to. He could at least crack a smile every now and then. If anyone is upset it seems to be you, but I'm done arguing here. We both have our differences of opinion let's just leave it at that.
 
TenEightyOne
And I'll add (before the common rejoinder) that I'm not particularly a Hamilton fan, just an F1 fan. I'm not sure I see the personal disaster in Hamilton's eyes that you do though :)
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Ye I figured that. I didn't say his racing was slopping, I actually said his racing has been brilliant considering. It's in other departments that I referring to, but of course I guess you obviously missed that.
 
Chris123
It seems your just coming off now as a biased Hamilton fanboy, your PSN does give it away quite a bit. Ye he could have not made those mistakes, then again I could have been a millionaire had I chosen the correct 6 numbers and so on and so forth. That's racing, never does everything always go how you wanted it to. He could at least crack a smile every now and then. If anyone is upset it seems to be you, but I'm done arguing here. We both have our differences of opinion let's just leave it at that.
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I'm a biased fanboy because I'm calling out his idiotic mistakes, how intellectual of you. If I said his attitude was perfectly great and not sympathetic at all, because he's the greatest thing since sliced bread you calling me a fanboy would make more sense. You seem to respond defensively because I'm pressing you like another user on how exactly this is an issue as others bring it up each GP.

Well it's quite different and an absurd analogy, unless your in control of the six selected number like he is of his car and the decisions he makes will driving it...then sure it's completely the same. Since you're not in control, it hardly has any relevance. Why does he have to crack a smile, because you personally take fault if he doesn't? And yes if you wish not to continue that's fine, I just don't see why him wanting the best is a bad thing. The only biased thing you could say about this that I have, is due to believing the same thing in myself in everything I do as well and disliking just good.

Also not sure how a 3 year old PSN user name that I picked on a whim thinking that would be his year to get a WDC has any relevance and hasn't been used in two years.

EDIT: Also what am I upset about? I don't get how you convey that I'm simply asking you why his attitude for one is so important and why you want it to change. He's his own person, and just like people find Vettel childish and take fault in him why does it matter.
 
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Chris123
It seems your just coming off now as a biased Hamilton fanboy, your PSN does give it away quite a bit.
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Why debate if you're going to give up that easily?

Chris123
It's in other departments that I referring to, but of course I guess you obviously missed that.
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Well no, no I didn't. You must have missed the answer; I asked if you were aware of the team events during the last race? If you read the Beeb article that I linked and partly quoted for you you'll see that both drivers were very unhappy after the race.

Now, if Hamilton looks like he feels down when he feels down... that's one thing. Some people look cheerful whatever happens, some people look hangdog for not much reason. With an F1 driver who's in a strong position to compete for the WDC the only real assessment we can do (other than guess from a telly screen) is to have a look at his racing.

Chris123
I actually said his racing has been brilliant considering.
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I can't disagree with that overall and don't... except that I don't think there's any "considering". None of the drivers has an easy job, they're in a position where they strive for absolute perfection. The harder you work the better you do. Hamilton's done pretty well and it seems to me that however he manages his image outside the car that "mood" isn't reflected within it.

Look at the media perspective too. Hamilton's the sport's first mixed-race driver with an upbringing in a dual world of English suburbia and Grenada. That brings a lot of attention from fans who might not have been interested in what seems to have been perceived at times as a rich white sport.

He's able to move in the celebrity spheres that fascinate him* and has become a fascination for media who never noticed F1 before. He also, unusually, has a full-blown PR agency managing him (XIX, or "19") of Simon Fuller fame. I think there's some media-management going on, even some coached team-mate psyching. To that end I don't believe that what you're seeing is always genuine until it matters; the drop of the chequers.

*Not a reference to Nicole
 
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Q: In the past there were many team mate battles where the tension was a constant presence. The fans delighted in these battles - the showmanship, the dirty tricks, one rival enraging the other. There seems less emotion today. Has political correctness killed the show - or are you the last true showman?
LH: It is a lot different now. Back then they jumped out of the car and lit a cigarette. You could call somebody an idiot and didn’t have to go back and say sorry. It was more relaxed back then. It is much stricter now. You have to be more correct now. And it is so difficult when it is such a fine line between right and wrong - on the edge or not.

Q: It seems to be a requirement now that a driver is aggressive in the car, but a pussycat out of it. How is that working?
LH: Not easy - when I come out of the car I sure am no pussycat! (laughs) God gave us emotions. When I get out of the car I am like a fizzy lemonade bottle. When you’re in the car you’re shaken around - then then you get out and take the lid off - it’s everywhere! It’s hard to keep the lid on. So you see, that’s not easy. Then when you keep it calm and you don’t say too much and keep up a front to protect yourself, then people are not happy either. Ha, I don’t do that too much - and that is then what gets me into trouble. But that’s what shows character - hopefully.
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http://www.formula1.com/news/interviews/2014/8/16227.html

All F1 drivers have to check their emotions and words carefully these days, a lot of what you see and hear in the media is either a front or part of what they're wanting to say or show.
 
Any guesses on pole position lap time?

My guess is 1:48.5xx considering it becomes really dry.

Seeing as it is now i have no idea.
 
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