2014 engines: inline-fours out, turbo-charged V6 engines in

[Ardius]

He said that on the BBC F1 forum (a post-race review show that the BBC air immediately after every race on their "red button", which is a multi-stream service available seperately to the TV channels) available here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b012frck/Formula_1_2011_The_European_Grand_Prix_Forum/
(At 11 minutes 30 seconds).

So yes, Newey did say that. Basically Audi said they wanted a 4-cylinder engine and then recently they have said they aren't coming into F1, so its left everyone with the current rules which apparently only Audi and Renault really wanted.

 

[CarolinaBlue704]

If that's the case, I for one am glad Audi aren't entering F1. V6 turbos revving at possibly 16,000 rpm would sound great. However, the thought of 4-cylinder turbos in F1 makes me cringe.

 

[Josh__F]

Would the engines sound similar to the X2010's?...... just a thought

although the X2010 is fictional and probably would sound totally different

 

[prisonermonkeys]

No. The X2010 is powered by a gas turbine.

 

[Venom800tt]

No. The X2010 is powered by a gas turbine.

Says twin turbo V6 in the description for mine... Gas turbine idea was dropped not long after the car was announced. That and it sounds like a piston engine

But what I would really like in F1 would be to allow different engine types to enter instead of just limiting it to one type. Then you could have some of everything like back in the 1980's lol
Turbo V6's and I4's, big angry V12's, and anything in between. Heck, if LeMans and other GT racing can have fairly even competition between engine types, I am sure F1 can.

 

[Peter.]

No. The X2010 is powered by a gas turbine.

Wrong. Twin Turbocharged V6. I believe that the whole Gas turbine rumor was just a false assumption because of the big fan, which, to the ignorant eye, may lead someone to think that it is a gas turbine engine, rather than an aero device.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Wrong. Early information about the car talked about the gas turbine. It was obviously changed at some point.

Anyway, the 2014 engines are not going to sound like the X2010. To think they might is just a fantasy.

 

[SonicWagon]

Screw it. Bring back V10s!

Anything with a turbo>anything Naturally aspirated.

 

[SonicWagon]

Wrong. Early information about the car talked about the gas turbine. It was obviously changed at some point.

Anyway, the 2014 engines are not going to sound like the X2010. To think they might is just a fantasy.

They will sound better, more low end grunty noises and more crackling noises up in the Revs.

 

[Ardius]

Wrong. Early information about the car talked about the gas turbine. It was obviously changed at some point.

Anyway, the 2014 engines are not going to sound like the X2010. To think they might is just a fantasy.

It was referred to as a gas-turbine in some early Red Bull promo stuff but ever since the release of the game (and therefore, for several months before the game was released) it has always had a V6 twin-turbo. It says so in the intro video with Vettel and in all descriptions in the game. Its been this way ever since release. I think its fair to assume that those Red Bull promo things were completely wrong somehow because Vettel must have recorded those audio clips way before the release of the game, probably in 2009.
The X2010 sounds like a typical F1 car to me, I've not directly compared but I wouldn't be surprised if it shared the same audio or similar audio to the Ferrari's or the FGT.

Anyway, yeah, while it won't sound exactly like that, V6 turbos will sound like F1 cars still, they will just sound different.

 

[SaberFire]

I still want low displacement V12's with at least a 16k RPM limit. It would be so cool if they loosened up the engine development restrictions and see how the different manufacturers get their heads around the possibilities.

For instance, Ferrari and Mercedes can keep their V8's or go to V10s, and deal with the restrictions that would be entailed, and Renault could go to the turbo I4's and deal with the packaging issues and so on.

Sadly, F1 apparently isn't about spending money anymore :\

 

[Peter.]

Wrong. Early information about the car talked about the gas turbine. It was obviously changed at some point.

Anyway, the 2014 engines are not going to sound like the X2010. To think they might is just a fantasy.

Still wrong. Only 1 person said it was a gas turbine,and it wasn't Red Bull, just the magazine that published the first press release of the X2010. Everyone else just ate up that gossip about the GT engine.

About sounds, a 1.6l Turbo V6 may, hopefully sound on par with CART engines, though the different fuel mixtures may change that, as CART used methanol, very different to normal petrol.

 

[Korza]

I have heard that some of the tracks like Silverstone, Monza, Monaco and Albert Park are planning to boycote the proposed changes in 2014 if they happen.

 

[Peter.]

I have heard that some of the tracks like Silverstone, Monza, Monaco and Albert Park are planning to boycote the proposed changes in 2014 if they happen.

If true, it's most likely because the amount of people who show for these races may decline if the engine rules come into play and neuter the cars of their explosive sounds. Expected, as those tracks are probably the only tracks which make profits off of holding F1 races there, especially Silverstone.

 

[Pezzarinho17]

I have heard that some of the tracks like Silverstone, Monza, Monaco and Albert Park are planning to boycote the proposed changes in 2014 if they happen.

Some - Apparently its 17 of the current circuits have said they would switch to indycar instead!

 

[prisonermonkeys]

I have heard that some of the tracks like Silverstone, Monza, Monaco and Albert Park are planning to boycote the proposed changes in 2014 if they happen.

Even if it's true, it's not going to happen. 2014 is still two and a half years away. Bernie will talk them around.

 

[Stevisiov]

Some - Apparently its 17 of the current circuits have said they would switch to indycar instead!

That's a political spin.

The reality will be much different, I honestly can't see the big opposition to the engine change, in fact, I think its a good idea.

 

[Centura]

The reality will be much different, I honestly can't see the big opposition to the engine change, in fact, I think its a good idea.

Agree. I'm really looking forward to V6 Turbo.

 

[Ardius]

I have heard that some of the tracks like Silverstone, Monza, Monaco and Albert Park are planning to boycote the proposed changes in 2014 if they happen.

A rumour started by the worst website ever for anything "factual".

 

[SonicWagon]

Some - Apparently its 17 of the current circuits have said they would switch to indycar instead!

It's ******** posturing to get the rev limit upped to 18k RPM for the new engines. Bernie knows how to force the FIA's hand.

 

[Dennisch]

F1 ENGINE RULES FROM 2014


1.6-litre, six-cylinder turbos with energy recovery and fuel restrictions to replace current 2.4-litre normally aspirated V8s
Fuel efficiency to increase by 35%
Maximum revs of 15,000rpm
Power of energy-recovery systems to double
Overall power to remain at approx 750bhp
Checks and balances to ensure costs are contained and performance across all engines remains comparable
Plan for advanced 'compound' turbos to be introduced in subsequent years

So, all in all not to bad. Let's hope that they will get the power back up to 800+ hp.

 

[fissionproject]

Ahh, I love when someone blows a turbo

Edit: can someone tell me what they mean by "compound turbos" ?

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Going by the Wikipedia article on turbo-compound engines (which sound like the same thing), it's a power-recovery system that harnesses execces energy spent in the exhaust manifold.

 

[GTP_Ingram]

The decision to limit the engine configuration to a V6 rather than stipulate a six-cylinder maximum and leave it up to individual manufacturers to decide the number of cylinders and layout...

While I think the decision to switch to six cylinder turbos is a good idea compared to the original choice of fours, I would have been more excited by the prospect of a free choice for engine manufacturers regarding the number of cylinders allowed.

The switch to V6 engines was a compromise made in part to increase the spectacle for fans attending the race, but I remember how enjoyable it was to attend MotoGP races circa 2002, when there were three, four and five cylinder bikes all howling, screaming, and buzzing around the same piece of track.

 

[Pezzarinho17]

The idea of having more than 1 engine size available may sound good to fans, it would be a nightmare for the teams trying to keep the cost down, a major factor in the reduction. The top teams with the budgets would look into the range of engines, test which would give them the best output and then run with that. All the teams would probably come up with the same solution anyway given modern technology available to them and you'd be back to 1 engine format.

 

[Moot]

Only single turbo allowed.
Power 600bhp.
150bhp from KERS.

 

[Pezzarinho17]

Only single turbo allowed.
Power 600bhp.
150bhp from KERS.

Thats going to spice it up a bit when kers counts for 20% of the power available... fraction of a second too soon, you can say goodbye to a sizeable amount of rear rubber!

I know within the original KERS regulations that as well as stepping the power output up that KERS would also be available for longer. Currently it is 7 seconds a lap, but will that increase too to say 12 seconds a lap?

 

[Moot]

I'm not sure on that, with a doubling of power from KERS the batteries would last only 3.5 seconds per lap, on current technology. So to even get back to 7 seconds weight will need to be added. So exciting as it maybe yet again it will be sad to see F1 cars get heavier in time.
I wonder with this weight gain a new base material for the whole F1 car will be created and approved by the FIA in the future, perhaps using some kind of nano tech. I suppose all it needs to do is pass a crash test. But how would it pass the agreements on not spending money?

 

[Pezzarinho17]

I'm not sure on that, with a doubling of power from KERS the batteries would last only 3.5 seconds per lap, on current technology.

The current batteries store more than 7 seconds worth of boost, it is electronically limited to 7 seconds by the ECU. The radio transmissions have revealed teams discussing the "harvesting" rate of the KERS, in that on a longer lap (valencia, spa) you don't need to harvest as much kinetic energy per braking zone. Ideally, they want to store a maximum of 7 seconds a lap, with the rest of the harvested energy being "wasted" or simply stored as a reserve. There would need to be more batteries for the greater power, but the main change is this KERS harvesting rate.

 

[Moot]

There was 1 track so far this year where there wasn't enough to get 7 seconds worth I think, or it was extremely difficult to get.
Failure of Kers will be more interesting, as Vettel can still win the races without it at the moment. But a 150bhp lack of power and you will get beaten.