2014 engines: inline-fours out, turbo-charged V6 engines in
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It's difficult to "expect" anything, because the regulations will be re-written twice before 2014. For example, the 2012 cars will be low noses - which will be much closer to the current McLaren design, so that image is already wrong.
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I forgot that. Originally it was supposed to be part of the 2014 regs. Is it officially confirmed for 2012?
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As far as I know, the changes have been approved. There hasn't been much reported on them, because they're not as dramatic as the 2011 regulations, with the use of DRS.
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- BasedAckbar
If people are worried about power loss, they should refer to the 1980s Honda F1 engines.
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- HamiltonMP427
If people are worried about power loss they don't know much about engines then, especially any six cylinder set up with one or two turbos along with it. Also FIA has limited the power so we don't see the 80s type power return.
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- HamiltonMP427
Only due to the FIA regulations, these cars with V6s could run high outputs easily especially with the technology of today being much more sophisticated than that of the 80s. If you look into the history of the sport you'll see that the old cars were quite powerful when turbo charged. MP4/4 ran upward of 900 HP with the same displacement well .1 less than that of next year, and a turbo. The power will be there and so will the speeds. I don't know why people are complaining this is a more fuel effecient route and that is what most motorsports are doing now days, while still trying to maintain speed.
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It isnt a more fuel efficient way in the short run, they have to develop and test the crap out of the engines, there will be teething issues. Compared to using tried and tested engines. If they wanted to save fuel then they would do it with the logistics, transportation. It would save a lot more fuel if they cut down on the ammount of **** they shipped around the world.
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- BasedAckbar
They test the crap out of the current engines too between seasons.
Turbo V6s are still more efficient in the long run.
Turbo V6s are still more efficient in the long run.
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F1 has a history of continuous improvement.
But various regulation changes since 2004 have prevented the cars from getting faster. Now we have reduced downforce and less power. Regulations are coming in that reduce the potential downforce and reduce the overall power available as power is going to be limited to within reasonable amounts, with only KERS bringing it up to where we are now (Which is still down on the V10s). Next season front wings have to be simpler in the area of the endplates, blown diffusers are banned as is the ability to adjust engine maps to increase performance (Outside of the restricted range that the FIA will set). That is going to cost the teams 0.5-1 second a lap. Will it improve the show? Nope. Will it improve overtaking? Nope. Will it make the cars more efficient? Slightly, but if you consider the amount of time, money and resources the teams but into blown diffuser development this year... you get the idea.
Teams are running out of ways to manipulate the regulations to make the cars go faster than intended. The regulations need loosening up to encourage innovation rather than teams simply copying the solutions of the other teams.
Either the regulations need to stay the same, or they need to be loosened up. But what can we expect, when there are probably job roles within the FIA that exist purely to think of regulation changes.
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Top teams like Red Bull, Mclaren, and Ferrari will always find loopholes and ways to get around new regs.
They may get slower, but they are still very fast.
They may get slower, but they are still very fast.
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- HamiltonMP427
Go to F1 Fanatic they had an article not that long ago talking about that. They're trying to fix it, but it's not that easy especially when you think about all the stuff they have.
Yes I know all this, but surely that is a wrong thing to also say cause innovation isn't something just hindered by the FIA or FOTA, other teams do their fair share of this as well. As can be seen with the Double Decker Diffuser, or this year with the off throttle. The questioning of whether RBR had flexing aero. Teams brought all these up and had them questioned, if teams didn't complain for not figuring out innovation in the first place, and crying when they're outright beat by other teams the FIA might not put such a tough limit on everyone.
Also such high restriction are for driver safety but also trying to make the sport more fuel effecient and also cut down on cost. It seems like you want all of this, at the expense of pushing out private teams, but all making F1 look super elitist and deter other manufactures from wanting to join in. Hence why sportcar racing is probably going to be bigger than F1 if not already.
Also how is F1 not been innovative? The past years have shown some unique ideas that have won races for the teams that have figured them out first.
I guess my point is, you cant have the entire pie with out giving something in return. Can't have all that but still expect it to be highly competitive, unless you give up stuff.
I still don't think some of you are giving V6 turbos the respect they deserve. The 80s proved how well a V6 turbo could beat the N/A cars.
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According to SPEED Channel, Honda is looking to make a return to Formula One in 2014 with a engine supply deal with McLaren. So we may see a Honda Turbo V6 powered McLaren once again.
Though, with this being a possibility, the Williams-Renault pairing, JPS colored Lotus, and the Return of Turbo V6's, it seems like F1 is going for a retro 80's theme as of recent. And on top of that we have a Senna and Rosberg on the grid.
Though, with this being a possibility, the Williams-Renault pairing, JPS colored Lotus, and the Return of Turbo V6's, it seems like F1 is going for a retro 80's theme as of recent. And on top of that we have a Senna and Rosberg on the grid.
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Just on raw engine power that will be true. But if you consider the enormous amount of torque the engines will have compared to the n/a engines of today i think starts and getting out of slow corners will be quite a big difference.
Then we have the KERS system, today they get to use 80hp or so for 6.6 seconds or something like that.
In 2014, they will have double that power (160hp) and have it for way longer periods per lap then before.
Engine wise i think they will land on somewhere around 600hp and then another 160 for KERS so overall it will be close to todays engines. minus the kers though.
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hampus_dh
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Not really. You mean the off-throttle mapping.
Very few things in F1 is actually new ideas. They are just re-interpreted or modified.
Like blowing exhaust gases through or around the diffuser is an old thing.
But creating an engine map that continues to blow air while off the throttle is a new idea as far as i know.
And with that, Red Bull took it one step further by artificially creating a larger diffuser then the one they have by blowing exhaust gases/air on the side of the diffuser.
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Yes, that's what I meant
The technology behind keeping the throttle open whilst braking to move exhaust gases around the bottom of the car was Renaults idea. They developed it and done the needed research.
But Adrian Newey found a way to exploit this system better than the way Renault did it. Thank god it's getting banned.
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Will the banning of off-throttle mappiong cause the mileage to improve? If so the cars will be a bit lighter in race trim in 2012. Also a little less weight shifting. Not sure if this will happen in any meaningfull amount though...
Edit: Ugh... Forgot this was a thread for 2014 regulations. Sorry about off topic.
Edit: Ugh... Forgot this was a thread for 2014 regulations. Sorry about off topic.
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Who will be the first to use a big bore turbo hayabusa engine? I have seen them make 700bhp lol
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This is interesting;
http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-honda-eyes-return-with-mclaren
Mclaren to use Honda engines. hmm.
http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-honda-eyes-return-with-mclaren
Mclaren to use Honda engines. hmm.
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I can't see it happening. Now that McLaren are producing road cars with in-house engines, I would imagine that if they were to part with Mercedes it would be to build their own turbo V6.
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That's what they or at least the marketing department would like to do, but there are lots of ifs. McLaren is still not a big car manufacturer.
Well, people always (sentimentally) say "bring back the old days"...
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