2014 Formula 1 Gran Premio de España Pirelli

[BHRxRacer]

Scary moment for Van Der Garde. Bad day for Vettel and Rosberg.

Also, it's very amusing how it actually shows that some drivers are masters at certain tracks. Maldonado looked great given his car. As would Hamilton at Hungary, Button at Spa, Webber at Monaco etc.

Was looking at the points between Hamilton and Rosberg. If Lewis wins on Sunday and Nico is second it will be:

Lewis 100 - 4 wins, 1 DNF
Rosberg 97 - 1 win, 4 second places

Under the previous points it would be:

Lewis 40 - 4 wins, 1 DNF
Rosberg 42 - 1 win, 4 second places

Under the 1991-2002 points

Lewis 40 - 4 wins, 1 DNF
Rosberg 34 - 1 win, 4 second places

1960-1990s

Lewis 36 - 4 wins, 1 DNF
Rosberg 33 - 1 win, 4 second places

I think the 1991-2002 points reflects 4 wins the best over 1 win and beats the current system relative to the points which was suppose to be about giving the winner more.

Current points is better than the 2003-2009 points system which was awful in my view but not by much.

edit:
For the current points to reflect 1991-2002 it would need to be 25 and 15
Lewis 100
Nico 85

25 for 1st and 16 for 2nd seems a good compromise

The current rule is as ****** as the previous one. Just make it 10-7-6-....-1. Big difference between points is bad, and narrowing it down is a much better solution than double points at the end.

Would've been funnier if it was "tame" not "train".

 

[TenEightyOne]

The current rule is as ****** as the previous one. Just make it 10-7-6-....-1. Big difference between points is bad, and narrowing it down is a much better solution than double points at the end.

In proportion the points are the same, there's just a greater relative penalty for finishing second.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

The current rule is as ****** as the previous one. Just make it 10-7-6-....-1. Big difference between points is bad

Except that the teams need some kind of quantifiable means of measuring their performance. The smaller teams in particular need some way saying "this is how successful we were", especially when it comes to securing new sponsors. If you limit the number of points-paying positions, you limit the number of teams that can score points, and you limit the number of points they can score. Sure, those smaller teams could explain that they finished eighth instead of ninth because they recorded a thirteenth-place finish before the ninth-placed team did, but all potential sponsors will see is that they scored no points, and lose interest in supporting them.

 

[BHRxRacer]

In proportion the points are the same, there's just a greater relative penalty for finishing second.

Or not finishing at all. Especially with this year's reliability.

Except that the teams need some kind of quantifiable means of measuring their performance. The smaller teams in particular need some way saying "this is how successful we were", especially when it comes to securing new sponsors. If you limit the number of points-paying positions, you limit the number of teams that can score points, and you limit the number of points they can score. Sure, those smaller teams could explain that they finished eighth instead of ninth because they recorded a thirteenth-place finish before the ninth-placed team did, but all potential sponsors will see is that they scored no points, and lose interest in supporting them.

I didn't limit the number of points paying positions, just minimized it to 1 point per position.

 

[mikeerfol]

Also, it's very amusing how it actually shows that some drivers are masters at certain tracks. Maldonado looked great given his car. As would Hamilton at Hungary, Button at Spa, Webber at Monaco etc.

I'd say Button's track is Melbourne in my opinion.

 

[niky]

What took you people so long to put this up tsk

Photoshoot for the mag. And no internet. And lazy.

According to this article, Mercedes will be testing a new megaphone exhaust design. http://www.inautonews.com/mercedes-to-test-megaphone-exhaust-in-practice#.U2tPevldVmM

Finally, loudness.

Translation: we are so far ahead of the pack that we can basically just piss away that extra energy recovery and thermal management by fiddling with the exhaust.

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Mercedes pulling away from the pack is NOT what I want to see here in Spain... but I suppose it's inevitable.

The team has been building up quite a sizable engineering arm over the past two years, and it's not likely they'll repeat the Brawn flash-and-fade form the last time the team came out on top.

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Also hoping Nico picks it up this race. If Hamilton keeps up this momentum, I doubt Nico will be able to pose a significant challenge over the rest of the season.

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Ricciardo. Putting himself in a great place for whenever the Red Bull team finally catches up to Mercedes. Which will probably be with updated engines. Next year.

Still: Worst engine on the grid... and Red Bull is still the best of the rest. That's got to tell you something about their package. If the Renault engine achieves power and fuel consumption parity next year, that could mean another year of Red Bull dominance.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Mercedes pulling away from the pack is NOT what I want to see here in Spain... but I suppose it's inevitable.

The team has been building up quite a sizable engineering arm over the past two years, and it's not likely they'll repeat the Brawn flash-and-fade form the last time the team came out on top.

Dominance isn't fun, but Mercedes are likeable. Or at least less unlikeable than Red Bull. So I don't think people will mind.

 

[BHRxRacer]

I'd say Button's track is Melbourne in my opinion.

Or Canada. Maybe Melbourne more than the others. You get the point

Dominance isn't fun, but Mercedes are likeable. Or at least less unlikeable than Red Bull. So I don't think people will mind.

So I'm not the only one that makes assumptions about what people would like. Good. Anyway, I personally don't like it when one team dominates by such huge margin. I didn't like it when Ferrari was the fastest car in '02 and '04, despite being a Schumacher fan. I don't like how Mercedes is that much ahead now, despite it benefiting who I think is the most underrated "top driver" on the grid.

Maybe "people" accept Mercedes' dominance now because at least it's a new team, but I doubt anyone would like seeing gaps that big.

 

[Dodzzz]

I'm also puzzled at how I happily accept Mercedes dominance this year even though I'm a Ferrari & Fernando Alonso fan..
Not sure why, I don't even have the desire to be their fan either.. But I'm happy for them.. this is weird

 

[prisonermonkeys]

More pain for Red Bull: Renault have revealed that "more than one team" has failed to pay for their engines on time, and while they have not named anybody, they have admitted that development could stall in the next few weeks if those teams don't pay up.

Not that I have any sympathy for them.

 

[Pilitev]

In FP1 9 F1 drivers where slower then the fastest GP2 Qualify time. In FP2 there where 5 drivers slower. At the top there is only 2 seconds difference. Current F1 is a joke

 

[prisonermonkeys]

In FP1 9 F1 drivers where slower then the fastest GP2 Qualify time. In FP2 there where 5 drivers slower. At the top there is only 2 seconds difference. Current F1 is a joke

Those GP2 cars have had four years in development, and will not receive any further updates. The GP2/11 chassis is scheduled to be replaced in 2017.

The Formula 1 cars have had just four races in development, and will continue to be developed throughout the year. Lewis Hamilton's FP1 time was within two seconds of the fastest FP1 time in 2013, which is closer than any FP1 time has been relative to times from the same session in previous years.

So the real joke here is the broad, sweeping generalisation that the current state of the sport is a shambles based on nothing more than superficial comparisons between series. Especially when all it takes is the faintest piece of contextualisation to demonstrate just how specious your argument it.

 

[King1982]

FP3 about to begin. Anybody watching Sky? If you need a link pm me.

 

[King1982]

Boom Nico one second clear of Alonso..The Kraken strikes again. Lewis out now.

 

[mikeerfol]

More pain for Red Bull: Renault have revealed that "more than one team" has failed to pay for their engines on time, and while they have not named anybody, they have admitted that development could stall in the next few weeks if those teams don't pay up.

Not that I have any sympathy for them.

I'd be really surprised if they are talking about Red Bull (their works team remember) Obviously one of them is Lotus so I guess the other one could be Caterham?

 

[Saidur_Ali]

In FP1 9 F1 drivers where slower then the fastest GP2 Qualify time. In FP2 there where 5 drivers slower. At the top there is only 2 seconds difference. Current F1 is a joke

Funny thing though is back in 2008 GP2 fastest race lap was faster than GP2 pole time this year. Pole time then would mean FP1 only one driver in F1 set a faster time, 5 drivers faster in FP2 and 4 drivers faster in FP3. Amazing considering budget of GP2 team is probably less than 1% of a top F1 team. Quite embarrassing I imagine.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

I'd be really surprised if they are talking about Red Bull (their works team remember)

It has been suggested that they have not paid because they are unhappy with it, but even if they have paid, it's a problem for them because Renault aren't getting the money for updates - updates that Red Bull need.

 

[Famine]

Except that the teams need some kind of quantifiable means of measuring their performance. The smaller teams in particular need some way saying "this is how successful we were", especially when it comes to securing new sponsors.

Sounds like Famine's Adjusted Constructors Championship to the rescue!

(which reminds me, I haven't updated for Shanghai)

 

[Peasantslayer]

I missed FP3, why were the times slower than FP2? Limited running? Drivers focusing on the hard tyre?

 

[Ninners]

It was the same thing at Bahrain too, not too sure why.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Photoshoot for the mag. And no internet. And lazy.

I'd say lazy, cause that's what stopped me but I had finals too so I couldn't be bothered.

So I'm not the only one that makes assumptions about what people would like. Good. Anyway, I personally don't like it when one team dominates by such huge margin.

Yeah but when he does it at least he does it with ambiguity that shows he is making assumptions, you usually border on assumption and absolution. In my experience.

Also I agree with the sentiment of domination -another rare once or twice in a millennium agreement I have with you- and that one year of domination is fine. Hell even a year and half so long as another team or two is nipping at the heels. However, several years and it gets annoying even if they're my favorite time. Now how they go about that domination usually delays how annoyed I am. If they're humble winners (which most dominant teams aren't) then I am less annoyed by a large margin, but others tend to get more annoyed cause they're "nice guy winners"

Sounds like Famine's Adjusted Constructors Championship to the rescue!

(which reminds me, I haven't updated for Shanghai)

Look at that shameless plug...it worked.

 

[Famine]

It's actually one of the purposes of FACC - alongside rendering team orders moot and rewarding reliable, balanced and fast teams, you get an easily quantifiable way of telling who's best over a season when they don't score points. Much better than "well in one race they were the last four finishers as usual, but six cars fell out ahead of them rather than the usual five".

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Yeah I always enjoyed your FACC thread it gives good insight and usually another tool to the arsenal to use in an argument if needed. Anyways it's Quali time, hope it isn't as boring as the the FPs this weekend.


And no race weekend is complete without Pastor Maldonado crashing his car...

 

[Robin]

Maldonado Destroying cars again.... not in an actual race!

 

[Pagey279]

Surprise surprise. Crashtornaldo is at his best yet again.

 

[MHPALA]

F1 reject crashed again.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I wonder how irritating it must be to be a mechanic and engineer at Lotus.

 

[Bo]

Oh Pastor, never change.

 

[JosVerstappen]

Was he trying to break his wrist by holding the wheel tight...

 

[Bo]

Was he trying to break his wrist by holding the wheel tight...

He pulled it off just in the nick of time.