2014 United Sports Car Championship

[ITCC_Andrew]

I really don't like my phone Andrew. I was asking who was up in the field.

BMW, obviously.

 

[raven214]

I just checked my listings (Time Warner) for the 24:

Saturday
2 - 4pm Fox
4 - 11pm Fox Sports 2
-Nothingness-
Sunday
7am - 2:30pm Fox Sports 1

I just checked and it's about $10 for the package that gives FS2 - and it doesn't even come in HD! Seriously!? Sometimes I forget what year it is...

So after 4pm I'll be on a 5 hour blackout until IMSA.com (hopefully) picks things up. And what does FS1 have Saturday night into Sunday morning? College basketball, UFC prelims, more college basketball, motorcycle racing, and 5.5 hours of sports news. Really glad Speed is gone...

 

[Sam48]

Anyone want to share their predictions for tomorrow?
My thoughts,

In Prototypes - #5 Action Express wins overall
In PC - #08 RSR
In GTLM - #3 Corvette
In GTD - #63 Ferrari

Despite my prediction, I'll be rooting for the DeltaWing, Core Autosport in PC, the Corvette boys in GTLM, and the Lizards in GTD.

 

[RACECAR]

I have none, mainly because theres far too many variables to be sure. It'd be easy to say a DP will win, but its abit of a different animal this year with the Aero improvements so that could go out the window.

Only one sure thing though: Someone will win in PC

 

[Patrick]

I just checked my listings (Time Warner) for the 24:

Saturday
2 - 4pm Fox
4 - 11pm Fox Sports 2
-Nothingness-
Sunday
7am - 2:30pm Fox Sports 1

I just checked and it's about $10 for the package that gives FS2 - and it doesn't even come in HD! Seriously!? Sometimes I forget what year it is...

So after 4pm I'll be on a 5 hour blackout until IMSA.com (hopefully) picks things up. And what does FS1 have Saturday night into Sunday morning? College basketball, UFC prelims, more college basketball, motorcycle racing, and 5.5 hours of sports news. Really glad Speed is gone...

Should be able to find it streamed online somewhere besides IMSA.com.

 

[Mac K]

 

[Earth]

Anyone want to share their predictions for tomorrow?
My thoughts,

In Prototypes - #5 Action Express wins overall
In PC - #08 RSR
In GTLM - #3 Corvette
In GTD - #63 Ferrari

Despite my prediction, I'll be rooting for the DeltaWing, Core Autosport in PC, the Corvette boys in GTLM, and the Lizards in GTD.

I'd like to see the Taylor family win in DP. Either them or Scott Pruett get his 6th win which would put him alone at the top of overall wins at the Rolex 24.

In GTLM I'd like to see one of the Vipers win. In GTD, anybody but an Audi.

 

[Savolainen83]

Hey! I'm a bit late to the party but could someone point me to a free livefeed or two, that are watchable in the europe.

Been working the whole week and haven't had the change to get prepaired for the Daytona.

EDIT: Found this a few pages back: http://sportscar365.com/imsa/tusc/rolex-24-resource-guide/

Could still use a few links to livefeeds if there's any.

Thanks.

 

[Metfanant]

lets go Team SRT!!! would love to see the Vipers take GTLM

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

lets go Team SRT!!! would love to see the Vipers take GTLM

Hate to break it to you but there are these things, that are powerful and yellow and fast; the Vipers would have to beat those first. They're called Corvettes

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

Anyone want to share their predictions for tomorrow?
My thoughts,

In Prototypes - #90 Corvette
In PC - #25 8Star Motorsports
In GTLM - #911 Porsche
In GTD - #48 Audi

In prototypes a DP will win, the Ganassi Riley's will break down and nothing else will match the Corvette's, I think SoD will come good.

In PC all the cars are the same so I picked the team with the best drivers.

In GTLM the Corvette is too new to be reliable for 24 hours and it looks like the Viper's have a few weak links in the driver line up. The Ferrari has the best car/drivers but the team isn't on the same level as AF Corse which nulls their chance of winning. I've said the #911 Porsche because it should run all day with no problems and is pretty quick.

In GTD Audi have sent loads of factory drivers and the #48 car has the best of them, the number 48 seems to be a good number at Daytona recently too.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

@GOTMAXPOWER That Vette comment had me in stitches...oh you're serious? Also you didn't consider the Aston Martin how rude.

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

@GOTMAXPOWER That Vette comment had me in stitches...oh you're serious? Also you didn't consider the Aston Martin how rude.

Both Corvette's have had reliability issues already this week, that's why one is starting from the back of the grid. I didn't consider the Aston Martin for the same reason I didn't the RLL BMW's, they look great but don't seem likely to challenge the Porsche for pace at this track.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Both Corvette's have had reliability issues already this week, that's why one is starting from the back of the grid. I didn't consider the Aston Martin for the same reason I didn't the RLL BMW's, they look great but don't seem likely to challenge the Porsche for pace at this track.

I don't see why only Ferrari have the chance at Porsche, and yes the early woes of Corvette Racing should put them out of it? This is the same team that has taken new cars to 24 hour events before with struggles and are quite a well working team, I'm sure their cars will make it to the end. A few issues shouldn't compared to what they've done shouldn't stop them this weekend.

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

I don't see why only Ferrari have the chance at Porsche

You must've misread, I said that Ferrari don't have a chance because Risi aren't the best Ferrari team.

and yes the early woes of Corvette Racing should put them out of it? This is the same team that has taken new cars to 24 hour events before with struggles and are quite a well working team, I'm sure their cars will make it to the end. A few issues shouldn't compared to what they've done shouldn't stop them this weekend.

The Corvette's are certainly quick out the box but the little gremlins we've seen so far will cost them the race if they return. We both know how competitive GTLM is in America, dropping even 5 minutes for repairs could cost a car the win, especially if the Porsche's run the 24 hours without incident/problem like they did at Le Mans last year.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

You must've misread, I said that Ferrari don't have a chance because Risi aren't the best Ferrari team.

They don't need to be Risi, and to be honest Risi aren't that spectacular either so, I didn't misread at all your explanation gives Ferrari the closest chance at Porsche above all others. That is what I was saying, your wording.

The Corvette's are certainly quick out the box but the little gremlins we've seen so far will cost them the race if they return. We both know how competitive GTLM is in America, dropping even 5 minutes for repairs could cost a car the win, especially if the Porsche's run the 24 hours without incident/problem like they did at Le Mans last year.

Yes but this is an actual 24 hour race which many of the LM teams don't know how to deal with but guess who does, that is the saving grace and the point I'm making. It is easy to be competitive for 3-6 hours but this is a different beast and Covette/GM are well aware of what it takes. I may be a fan but I feel I'm putting my money on the right group regardless of alignment.

 

[Metfanant]

Hate to break it to you but there are these things, that are powerful and yellow and fast; the Vipers would have to beat those first. They're called Corvettes

you mean those yellow things that only started winning after the Factory Vipers stopped racing lolol

 

[01GTP]

P -10
PC -09
GTLM -912
GTD - 44

It appears my local FOX channel will not be covering the race on Saturday as the programming shows a movie at 1 PM and 2 episode of The King of Queens at 3 PM.

I have checked the FOX web page and they have the race at 2, even though the DVR still has it as I quoted above.
I'm going with the web page info , but geez, what a way to upset a guy.

MRN after 4 PM.

And this has green in it.

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

They don't need to be Risi, and to be honest Risi aren't that spectacular either so, I didn't misread at all your explanation gives Ferrari the closest chance at Porsche above all others. That is what I was saying, your wording.

I didn't say who I felt would be Porsche's closest competition, what I actually said was:
"The Ferrari has the best car/drivers but the team isn't on the same level as AF Corse which nulls their chance of winning."

I think they will do well to finish in the top 5. I didn't say who I think will be Porsche's closest rival, it will probably be the second Porsche or the #91 Viper, maybe the Corvette's if they don't break down.

Yes but this is an actual 24 hour race which many of the LM teams don't know how to deal with but guess who does, that is the saving grace and the point I'm making. It is easy to be competitive for 3-6 hours but this is a different beast and Covette/GM are well aware of what it takes. I may be a fan but I feel I'm putting my money on the right group regardless of alignment.

Are you saying the Daytona 24 hours is more of a 24 hour race than the Le Mans 24 hours? 24 hours is 24 hours whether it is run on a street circuit in France or a roval in Florida.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

you mean those yellow things that only started winning after the Factory Vipers stopped racing lolol

Actually that's not true, considering I followed them before I became a Vette fan. They lost to team Corvette in 2001 and 2002 in the ALMS, Vette never had an international running like with Oreca, Lambre with ELMS. The only thing they ran outside of the U.S. was Le Mans. For Le Mans they beat Viper in 2001 and 2002 and 2003 (though both were beat by Ferrari)

I didn't say who I felt would be Porsche's closest competition, what I actually said was:
"The Ferrari has the best car/drivers but the team isn't on the same level as AF Corse which nulls their chance of winning."

I know what you said, and what I'm saying is from your wording and lack of wording (none) for others it would seem Ferrari had the best chance. Now you're clearing it up to say otherwise.

I think they will do well to finish in the top 5. I didn't say who I think will be Porsche's closest rival, it will probably be the second Porsche or the #91 Viper, maybe the Corvette's if they don't break down.

I'm talking about next manufacture that has the best chance to beat any Porsche, once again your wording would have led someone to believe that Ferrari have the chance. Though I don't see how they have the best drivers.

Are you saying the Daytona 24 hours is more of a 24 hour race than the Le Mans 24 hours? 24 hours is 24 hours whether it is run on a street circuit in France or a roval in Florida.

I never said that and I'd like for you to point out where I put an emphasis on it. I said many of the teams racing at Daytona this weekend have yet to race a 24 hour race at all. ALMS didn't race any 24h race prior to the merger and the biggest one was half this length. Thus Corvette has the advantage coming in and then Porsche as well. Where did I say one is more difficult than the other?

 

[Metfanant]

Actually that's not true, considering I followed them before I became a Vette fan. They lost to team Corvette in 2001 and 2002 in the ALMS, Vette never had an international running like with Oreca, Lambre with ELMS. The only thing they ran outside of the U.S. was Le Mans. For Le Mans they beat Viper in 2001 and 2002 and 2003 (though both were beat by Ferrari)

Factory support for the Viper program was pulled after the 2000 ALMS season...Corvette Racing won 2 races during the 2000 ALMS season against Viper Team Oreca (Texas, and Road Atlanta)...but never beat the Factory Vipers at Le Mans..or did they ever win a manufacturer or driver championship head to head

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Factory support for the Viper program was pulled after the 2000 ALMS season...Corvette Racing won 2 races during the 2000 ALMS season against Viper Team Oreca (Texas, and Road Atlanta)...but never beat the Factory Vipers at Le Mans

Oreca and Labre still had connection in 2001 and so did the American variant, that was the last year. They finished third that year in ALMS and didn't even get a win. Nice to take away the thunder of Corvette Racing success especially considering that they beat an arguably as good or better team AMR.

 

[Metfanant]

Oreca and Labre still had connection in 2001 and so did the American variant, that was the last year. They finished third that year in ALMS and didn't even get a win. Nice to take away the thunder of Corvette Racing success especially considering that they beat an arguably as good or better team AMR.

its pretty simple my man...after 2000 there were no factory Vipers running...anywhere...Factory Vettes won 2 races...and neither was LeMans before Chrysler pulled factory support...

im not trying to take anything away from Corvette Racing...it started as a joke...but now im just setting the record straight...

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

its pretty simple my man...after 2000 there were no factory Vipers running...anywhere...Factory Vettes won 2 races...and neither was LeMans before Chrysler pulled factory support...

im not trying to take anything away from Corvette Racing...it started as a joke...but now im just setting the record straight...

I was joking too hence the emoticon usage, but it seemed as if you took it personally and thus I decided to defend. You repeating yourself from your last post isn't going to change anything and the fact is they were able to run close to Viper even in the years they didn't win. Vette came to success faster than Viper, and as I said you can read it on the Chrysler's website that 2001 was when support ended, not 2000.

Also you say this as if Vipers were only fast with full on Chrysler support though they still won plenty after 2001.

 

[Metfanant]

I was joking too hence the emoticon usage, but it seemed as if you took it personally and thus I decided to defend. You repeating yourself from your last post isn't going to change anything and the fact is they were able to run close to Viper even in the years they didn't win. Vette came to success faster than Viper, and as I said you can read it on the Chrysler's website that 2001 was when support ended, not 2000.

Also you say this as if Vipers were only fast with full on Chrysler support though they still won plenty after 2001.

- Sure, they were able to run close to the Vipers...never said they didnt...but the fact remains...before the Viper's last race as a Factory car (December 31, 2000) the Corvettes won 2 races...and didnt win LeMans...

- I wouldn't say the Vettes came to success faster either...the GTS-R debuted in 1996...it won the FIA GT Championship the following year in 1997...and would go on to win in 1998, and 1999 as well..the Factory Vipers stopped racing in FIA after that...and privateers won the series in 2001, and 2002...

so the Vipers ran a limited schedule in 1996, and then won the FIA GT Championship 1 year later...it took them till the next year (1998) to win their class at LeMans

- Support ended IN 2001...consider the last race of the 2000 season was December 31st...yes, support ended IN 2001...NO FACTORY VIPERS raced in 2001...PERIOD...

 

[01GTP]

http://www.daytonainternationalspeedway.com/Vanity-Pages/2013/Daytona-Rising/Web-Cams.aspx

See what's up at Daytona via web cameras.

Nothing great, Cam 4 might be best.
All cams are outside the track.

Probably looks pretty cool at night and it is the only video I'll see during the race at night.

 

[Metfanant]

and as I said you can read it on the Chrysler's website that 2001 was when support ended, not 2000.

From Chrysler's Press Release announcing the Viper's return to ALMS...bullet #3 is where youre going to want to pay attention...

THE VIPER GTS-R RETURNS
· Two identical SRT Viper GTS-R race cars will compete in the American Le Mans Series’ Mid-Ohio Sports Car Challenge this weekend at the 2.258-mile, 13-turn, Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course.
· The driver lineup: Tommy Kendall and Mark Goossens in the No. 93 Pennzoil Ultra Viper and Dominik Farnbacher and Kuno Wittmer in the No. 91 Forza Motorsports Viper.
· First on-track, factory-based participation for the SRT Viper GTS-R in the ALMS since 2000; will compete in the production-based GT class.
· Drivers Ryan Hunter-Reay and Jonathan Bomarito will fill the expanded driver slots for the extended-distance events.

source: http://media.chrysler.com/newsrelease.do?id=12828&mid=1


Look, its not personal...but if there is one thing i know, its factory backed Viper Racing...

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

- Sure, they were able to run close to the Vipers...never said they didnt...but the fact remains...before the Viper's last race as a Factory car (December 31, 2000) the Corvettes won 2 races...and didnt win LeMans...

- I wouldn't say the Vettes came to success faster either...the GTS-R debuted in 1996...it won the FIA GT Championship the following year in 1997...and would go on to win in 1998, and 1999 as well..the Factory Vipers stopped racing in FIA after that...and privateers won the series in 2001, and 2002...

so the Vipers ran a limited schedule in 1996, and then won the FIA GT Championship 1 year later...it took them till the next year (1998) to win their class at LeMans

- Support ended IN 2001...consider the last race of the 2000 season was December 31st...yes, support ended IN 2001...NO FACTORY VIPERS raced in 2001...PERIOD...

The point still remains that even if they didn't have full factory support as I've said, they still had limited ties with Chrysler, just like certain teams currently don't have full factory support with their manufacture but have limited factory help. The Vipers were still as fast as they were with Factory support years after it had gone, and got beat by the Vettes a team that never played on the international front but for only one race, Le Mans.

My issue is you're taking away from a team and short of actually say "Vette only one because Chrysler decided to no longer give full factory support".

If you want to tell or hear a Hero story the better one would be Vette losing to the 550 in 2003.

EDIT:
No one claimed it was personal, people like to argue on this forum, I'm one of them...nothing personal about it.

 

[Metfanant]

The point still remains that even if they didn't have full factory support as I've said, they still had limited ties with Chrysler, just like certain teams currently don't have full factory support with their manufacture but have limited factory help. The Vipers were still as fast as they were with Factory support years after it had gone, and got beat by the Vettes a team that never played on the international front but for only one race, Le Mans.

My issue is you're taking away from a team and short of actually say "Vette only one because Chrysler decided to no longer give full factory support".

If you want to tell or hear a Hero story the better one would be Vette losing to the 550 in 2003.

now you're dancing around the topic because you know you've been proven wrong...so at this point the discussion doesn't really need to continue...the FACT is that after December 31,2000 there was no such thing as a FACTORY Viper GTS-R running in ANY race on the planet...

yeah sure, the privateer Vipers were AS FAST as the factory cars from pre-2001...however due in large part to their factory support the Corvettes got FASTER...there was no longer any development being done to the GTS-R chassis...hell, after 2002 the car the GTS-R was based on was no longer even in production let alone being developed as a viable race car...

The C5-R continued to be developed and improved over that time, eventually being replaced by the C6.R...while old GTS-R chassis from the 90's were still being raced by privateers...

 

[hawkeye122]

Evidentially there's "a tyre manufacturer" who isn't really a fan of the lack of double-stint opportunities. Doesn't fit brand-image, etc.

I'm guessing it starts with "M" and ends with "ichelin"