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This thread never dissapoints
Pretty much all I've seen the last few posts. Kinda why I don't post here as much.
2014 United Sports Car Championship
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Pretty much all I've seen the last few posts. Kinda why I don't post here as much.
freshseth83
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People can express their views. It's a forum, right? No one has to like the same things.
freshseth83
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Like the huge pictures of a non-existent shouting match? 
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Like the huge pictures of a non-existent shouting match?
That's more of an humorous expression of said situation. Exaggerated yes (for comedic effect) but accurate
braunracing88
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That's more of an humorous expression of said situation. Exaggerated yes (for comedic effect) but accurate
Agreed. As for me, I'm withholding judgement of the new series until I see some racing action with the new classes. I still don't see a point in keeping the GX class, though. Wouldn't those cars be better suited for the Continental Tire Sports Car Challenge?
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I think the Porsche's that get run ARE from CTSCC.
braunracing88
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What about those diesel-powered Mazda 6s? Personally, I think they'd be a great fit in the ST class.
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Those were built specifically for the class. But yeah, I think they'd do well in ST.
Or... Maybe Mazda should put it (granted, with some modifications) In the USA DTM series? Assuming it happens, etc.
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freshseth83
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No. You should move on, holding grudges is pathetic.
They're was suppose to be "Their". Auto correct on my phone.
ITCC_Andrew
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💡 Or, you know, you could stop insulting the Grand-Am series and actually watch it? 💡 For as long as you hold a grudge against Grand-Am, I'm going to hold a grudge against your grammar.
freshseth83
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You didn't even correct my grammatical error, you inserted your little pun that was a bad joke. I never said I have a 'grudge' against GA, so you're wrong again. I don't watch it? That's another mistake. I expect no less from you, though.
freshseth83
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They are spec. They can not alter their car. They can't develop it. They run to a 'spec'. They run the same tire, the same chassis' build, the same engine spec etc. Just because different cars have different makes doesn't mean they aren't a spec class. Theres no freedom over the car itself other than setup during the season. I guess this video is evidence enough for the driving standards GA seems to allow
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It's a street course, they are known for being unforgiving, as can be seen in both the ALMS and Grand-Am. Although I will say ALMS has better talent simply because of the fewer number of gentleman drivers.
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First of all, you don't watch races, so how do you know they can't alter the car? Here's pictures to prove otherwise: (all images from grand am.com)
Brumos Porsche 250 2012. Chip Ganassi Racing #01
Brumos Porsche 250 2013. Chip Ganassi Racing #01
Looks like ol Ganassi developed a dive plane for his DP. That's not "spec"
The driving standard at ALMS races is questionable as well. Video evidence:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKEVkmuziBk
This makes Montoya and Yacaman look clean
Also, the P1 field has had its fair share of argy bargy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb2qXZqsBpg
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Didn't all the other Rileys get those two fancy pieces of metal too, however?
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DP's are spec actually, they have to be built to a specific set of rules, can only run a certain amount of horsepower, and run a spec Continental tire, much like an LMPC car in the ALMS. I like both series as I've stated many times, but people need to stop making things up and stating opinion as fact.. the whole ALMS vs Grand-Am fan war is tiring, each series has it's ups and downs and has it's own "unique" charm so I don't see why people need to pick on each other, we're all racing fans aren't we?
freshseth83
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First of all, you don't watch races, so how do you know they can't alter the car? Here's pictures to prove otherwise: (all images from grand am.com)
Brumos Porsche 250 2012. Chip Ganassi Racing #01
Brumos Porsche 250 2013. Chip Ganassi Racing #01
Looks like ol Ganassi developed a dive plane for his DP. That's not "spec"
The driving standard at ALMS races is questionable as well. Video evidence:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKEVkmuziBk
This makes Montoya and Yacaman look clean
Also, the P1 field has had its fair share of argy bargy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb2qXZqsBpg
@Developed a diveplane, and @I don't watch the races. You didn't even bother coming with a legitimate response! You show a car from 2012 and then a car from 2013? Seriously, a diveplane? It's an optional piece of bodywork theyre allowed to run, not a 'development'. Wow, I don't know where to begin. You show a video of ALMS, but I don't support that series. You show a couple incidents, but GA has this every race. How do I know? Because I watched it.
Doesn't mean I like it. I watch ALMS, doesn't mean I support it. I tune in for P1 (sometimes) and GTE. Incidents happen, but the same guy, for race after race? That's pathetic. The driving standards are terrible and it's all part of their 'argy bargy' 
way of racing.
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What the hell does support have to do with anything?
You made it seem like GA is the only one with crappy drivers, videos were posted showing ALMS has bad drivers as well. Simple as that, it makes not one lick of a difference if you support a series or not.
I also think you aren't putting forth a very good argument if you base your entire argument based on one driver! That's like saying F1 is full of talentless hacks because Max Chilton has a ride.
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You can't honestly claim that a DIVEPLANE is development, and that Starworks and MSR "Copied" them...
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Doesn't Grand Am do a class-wide update if a team asks to have a development allowed? The Riley's were having a hard time competing with the Corvette's on some tracks, so they asked for Diveplanes and they all got them, so they would be competitive with the 'vettes.
The cars are spec, but the spec isn't set in stone. The same thing happened with the Audi's. The APR team's R8 was highly uncompetitive, so they asked for an improved clutch package and got it. They asked for a number of other things to improve their performance and got them as well, if I'm not mistaken. And while I don't know if this was class-wide, but they went from a class-mandated three-piece wheel to a one-piece halfway through their maiden season. (I remember them specifically talking about how Grand Am mandated three-piece wheels).
If they improved technology and set in some cost-caps, I could see that method bringing a huge improvement to prototype racing. If a team running a specific car is noticing all of the cars similar to their own lagging behind, they develop (possibly in conjunction with the other teams) a fix and get it approved and everyone uses it, so now all of those cars are more competitive. If you couple this with a hybrid prototype of the DP and LMP (close specs but better technology), you could get some pretty satisfying racing.
The cars are spec, but the spec isn't set in stone. The same thing happened with the Audi's. The APR team's R8 was highly uncompetitive, so they asked for an improved clutch package and got it. They asked for a number of other things to improve their performance and got them as well, if I'm not mistaken. And while I don't know if this was class-wide, but they went from a class-mandated three-piece wheel to a one-piece halfway through their maiden season. (I remember them specifically talking about how Grand Am mandated three-piece wheels).
If they improved technology and set in some cost-caps, I could see that method bringing a huge improvement to prototype racing. If a team running a specific car is noticing all of the cars similar to their own lagging behind, they develop (possibly in conjunction with the other teams) a fix and get it approved and everyone uses it, so now all of those cars are more competitive. If you couple this with a hybrid prototype of the DP and LMP (close specs but better technology), you could get some pretty satisfying racing.
freshseth83
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Where did I say that GA is the only series with bad driving? You'd do well to read before you reply. It'll save you from looking foolish and hopefully prevent you trying to put words in someone's mouth.
There is more than one driver, Yaca is just a good example of the lack of discipline the series has. Bringing up bad driving in ALMS has no relevance because Im not comparing GA to it.
My point is if GA wants to be some major form of motorsport and have that level of competition, theyre doing themselves no favors with how they present the standards of etiquette amongst drivers. "Rubbin is racin" "argy bargy" and the like might work for them and their current image, but what they're shooting for in "#thefuture" looks totally different. You don't see professionalism when you watch these races imo. Its all take and no give. Running someone to a wall isn't hard racing, its dangerous and uncalled for. Moving someone out your way to get past is frowned upon in most motorsport series. This is the problem and the attitude that has to change if they want to be taken 'seriously'.
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I don't know about that, BTCC and V8 Supercars seem to be taken seriously and both feature some similar hard racing themselves.
BTW, Yacaman is not an example of the hard racing, he's a guy who's driving in over his head (and got put on probation because of it).
BTW, Yacaman is not an example of the hard racing, he's a guy who's driving in over his head (and got put on probation because of it).
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Your post history in this thread seems to give that impression.
freshseth83
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Thats based off assumptions. I don't need to justify why I dislike a series taking over another. But I gave reasons why this 'merger' is anything but. So my post history is your reasoning of thinking only GA has bad driving? This thread is about the two merging. Why would I bring up other non related series? I think people are getting confused here. If they want to be taken seriously in ACO LeMans style racing theyll need to clean up their act. Driving standards like that wont get you invited to the LM24, and thats what their aim is.
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What if the intentions of the buyout aren't entirely revolving around being taken seriously by the ACO and Le Mans style racing? If that was the sole focus, LMP1 would be carried over. After all, LMP1 class is the most technologically advanced sports cars in the world. With the buyout series, we have a semi-spec prototype, a spec prototype, a gte like class, a gt class that's going to be about like pirelli wc gts class (speculation), and gx(Mazda's class). What's there to be taken seriously besides the gte class and a few grandfathered in LMP2 cars? I would venture to say that if corvette racing and srt motorsports didn't exist, the buyout wouldn't keep them.
My theory is that Jim France sees profit from this series. He knows that NASCAR isn't quite the monster it once was, and he wants the fans that have left NASCAR to go to something he can still get a good return of investment in rather than going to IndyCar (which might not be there for much longer), aussie v8s, or even f1. That means that the USCR needs to appeal to more of a simple, casual fan simply because there are tons more of those in America than the "cars are the stars" fans. These casual fans are used to watching close competition with a fair amount of argy bargy. As you have shown, the grand am model shows a fair amount of argy bargy. Plus, the grand am model can field more DP full season because they're cost effective not to mention Jim isn't going to buyout a series and put a class above the DP in grand am.
All in all, the primary goal of the buyout is to rally the sports car base in America which hopefully will bring more exposure to American sports car racing which leads to more sponsors interested in marketing their product by supporting race teams. I'll take that anyday even if the ACO doesn't take them seriously. There seems to be much more of a casual race fan market in America, so Imsa is smart enough to market the series towards the larger group of fans.
