2014 United Sports Car Championship

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The point is however, a DP team found a way to make the DP go faster and contrary to the "its too expensive" claims, it turned out to be the complete opposite.

My only concern with that is if Imsa doesn't heavily monitor aero development, it will become expensive as teams like Ganassi, WTR, and L5 who have the funding to develop extensively will do so which will make 3/4 of the field uncompetitive and we have can-am 2.0 with 25 cars but only 6 or 7 are within the same zip code as the leader. The solution to that is to cost cap the DP or make a spec aero kit(which I don't want). I still want the brand identity on the DP .
 
Hey I'm not looking to be confrontational, but judging by how slow you claimed the DP to be, it would require 6 figures of upgrades. Thats where my concerns on cost stemmed from along with both Wayne Taylor and Mike Shank's concerns. Turns out the DP is a little quicker than people gave it credit for or at least that's what I'm getting from the testing article. It doesn't need other upgrades if more efficient aero is put on. The current aero package is cutting edge circa 1990 which was the intention all along to make it simple and cheap. We're coming closer and closer to getting regs put out, so we'll see soon enough.

Honestly this merger is roughly 3 decisions away from being alms 2.0. If there was open tire rule in the P class, alms pit stop procedure rules, and the inclusion of LMP1 it would be the alms with a slightly different gt configuration.

We claimed it because it was true, when we claimed a solution you said it'd be too expensive. We told you it doesn't have to be and we were proven right. Sorry but I feel the egos of a few of us deserve to say we told you so :sly:
 
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We claimed it because it was true, when we claimed a solution you said it'd be too expensive. We told you it doesn't have to be and we were proven right. Sorry but I feel the egos of a few of us deserve to say we told you so :sly:

What I said meant by too expensive is in the long run. Right now with LMP2 cost capped and the DP having very little development, anyone can do well. If teams are developing new aero kits for their cars, eventually it will take R&D to get every last tenth out of the car. The teams with more funding can more readily develop new body kits and aero upgrades thus making it more about who has the deepest pockets to develop the best car instead of who is the best prepared, has the best drivers, and executes the best race. That sounds like LMP1.5 to me. The only difference between the two are that giant factory teams aren't dominating. It becomes can-am 2.0 where 20+ cars are in the class, but not many have a chance in hell to do well. When teams get tired of showing up week after week and getting their eyes beat out because they can't match the budgets of the winning teams, they switch classes or stop competing. That leads to smaller grids and inevitably the series will need a face lift in 10-15 years.

My solution: Imsa needs to make an approved body work list, or cost cap the P class
 
Maybe I'm not understanding, but isn't it contradictory to want DPs to be able to compete with P2s and then worry about who has money doing well? If DPs were more concerned about competing with each other in a separate class battle, both problems are solved. Not to harp on the same points, but ALMS will never be Grand-Am and visa versa. Like a square peg in a round hole. Just let them all run on the same track and leave the classes as they already are. If DPs want to get overall poles, the teams are just going to have to spend money. The LMP is objectively a technologically superior machine, IMO. I don't give a crap what tires you put on them. Not that the DP isn't fun to watch, but for completely different reasons--the reasons you like them (close battling etc.).

Although I guess it's hard to see eye to eye if fans aren't willing to meet in the middle, and the series stops trying to "cap" and dumb down what makes LMP worth watching (finesse and innovation), while trying to elevate the DP without spending money to make it a better car. I'd rather they just get rid of the LMP class than murder it slowly.

I'm open to counter-argument but I think, while it will never happen, my argument about leaving the classes alone is the best compromise for the viewerships.
 
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Maybe I'm not understanding, but isn't it contradictory to want DPs to be able to compete with P2s and then worry about who has money doing well? If DPs were more concerned about competing with each other in a separate class battle, both problems are solved. Not to harp on the same points, but ALMS will never be Grand-Am and visa versa. Like a square peg in a round hole. Just let them all run on the same track and leave the classes as they already are. If DPs want to get overall poles, the teams are just going to have to spend money. The LMP is objectively a technologically superior machine, IMO. I don't give a crap what tires you put on them. Not that the DP isn't fun to watch, but for completely different reasons--the reasons you like them (close battling etc.).

Although I guess it's hard to see eye to eye if fans aren't willing to meet in the middle, and the series stops trying to "cap" and dumb down what makes LMP worth watching (finesse and innovation), while trying to elevate the DP without spending money to make it a better car. I'd rather they just get rid of the LMP class than murder it slowly.

I'm open to counter-argument but I think, while it will never happen, my argument about leaving the classes alone is the best compromise for the viewerships.

I would rather the series either be alms 2.0 entirely or grand am 2.0 entirely if even merge/get bought out at all. I'm fine with staying separate because I can be a fan of both and enjoy both. I obviously prefer grand am, but it's economically better for drivers, crew members, and others because there are two full season schedules to work on cars. Now there are 12 races.
 
I would rather the series either be alms 2.0 entirely or grand am 2.0 entirely if even merge/get bought out at all. I'm fine with staying separate because I can be a fan of both and enjoy both. I obviously prefer grand am, but it's economically better for drivers, crew members, and others because there are two full season schedules to work on cars. Now there are 12 races.

I guess that's fair. I can see your point, and I also realize in the back of my head that the reason ALMS was in so much trouble to begin with was money. Meh, it's all hypothetical anyway since they're going to do whatever they're going to do without consulting us. I won't fight the tide...
 
I think that's a smart move. Audi has a strong GT platform in GA. Hopefully we see a GTE car before long.
 
Sam48
I think that's a smart move. Audi has a strong GT platform in GA. Hopefully we see a GTE car before long.

Very smart indeed. When Imsa sits around and doesn't get regs out fast enough, this is what happens. Not to mention Audi usually doesn't race something unless they can outspend or ben the rules giving them the competitive advantage while not selling customer cars
 
Very smart indeed. When Imsa sits around and doesn't get regs out fast enough, this is what happens. Not to mention Audi usually doesn't race something unless they can outspend or ben the rules giving them the competitive advantage while not selling customer cars

Only the R15 and R18 haven't been sold, most likely due to the costs involved since Audi uses them as technology test-beds.

The R8 and R10 were both customer cars. In fact, the R8 is one of the last notable manufacturer-made customer race cars that competed at Le Mans.
 
hawkeye122
Except GT3... and DTM

I should have been more specific in that I was referring to Audi in a prototype platform. Plus, Audi was already trying to bend grand am rules by having a 5.0L v10 allowed as the engine which isn't within the grand am rule book limits. My guess is that grand am wouldn't give them what they wanted and the USCR regs are taking 40 forevers to come out, so Audi got tired of waiting and playing by the same rules as everyone else.

@snaeper: there only was 2 r10 customer cars sold, and I believe that within the next year or two Audi had the r15. The r8 was the last platform used which was obseleted quickly thereafter
 
C360?!


Go mom! :)


(For those who don't know, my mom works for Magna International, the car company that owns Multimatic Motorsports and, iirc, C360R.)


And, driver rating system? *reads*
 
One thing I already like about USCR: More cars are coming. Anytime you have more and more people interested in joining is a good sign.
 
I honestly wonder if the big high-ups at my mom's work know something the "normal people" don't.


I mean, the local car factories have 24/7 guards, high-security fences, and places in the factories where even some employees aren't allowed to wander into.


Certainly, there's a chance that - perhaps - USCR rules and regs are being worked on in co-ordination with teams like C360R.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but C360R has never actually even raced in Rolex SCS before, right? Why would they suddenly hop into DP, without even going through GTD first? ... Unless there's something they have that really makes this an attractive option... 💡 /speculation.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but C360R has never actually even raced in Rolex SCS before, right? Why would they suddenly hop into DP, without even going through GTD first? ... Unless there's something they have that really makes this an attractive option... 💡 /speculation.

That's what I thought. As far as I know, they're basically jumping from a Honda Civic to a Daytona Prototype. That's one big leap if you ask me. Also, I'm a bit curious as to why they're going to DP instead of staying loyal to Honda and buying an LMP2 given that Honda sells a P2 car out of the box.

Do you personally speculate Mutli-Matic is planning something as well?


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Daytona Prototype Changes Coming Into Focus
 
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Compass360 to DP in the USCR. Link coming as soon as I get to a computer
http://garra-fans.com/2010_GAUL/2013_shows/091113_karl.mp3

Karl Thompson interview at the beginning is where he breaks the news.

Errr, no, Compass 360 is not running a DP. He only stated Honda was homologating an engine that would be suitable for a DP.


That makes no sense whatsoever.
 
Errr, no, Compass 360 is not running a DP. He only stated Honda was homologating an engine that would be suitable for a DP.



That makes no sense whatsoever.

You're right. I saw the picture and heard Honda and my mind short circuited :dopey:
 
I wouldn't mind seeing a Honda DP, nor a Multi-matic DP. Would it be a Ford DP or Aston DP? Nor would I mind seeing the C360R DP, if they start out with GTD first; "walk before you can run" my college instructor says.
 
ITCC_Andrew
I wouldn't mind seeing a Honda DP, nor a Multi-matic DP. Would it be a Ford DP or Aston DP? Nor would I mind seeing the C360R DP, if they start out with GTD first; "walk before you can run" my college instructor says.

Buckler wants an Aston DP. Msr is going ecoboost for next season. Honda is giving the DP engine another go it seems. Multimatic/Lola is rumored to be wanting back in. Plus, oreca is considering a DP chassis
 
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