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How is that a 'strategy' ? If there's no more room, then there's no more room. Simple.
2014 United Sports Car Championship
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- GTP_Sam48
Daytona's pit lane is 1,313 feet long. According to IMSA, teams running in the USCC will be designated a pit box that is 22 feet long. Divide 1313 feet by 22 feet and you get roughly 60 individual pit boxes (And this assumes that someone is using the standard pit lane entry way, therefore, it's more likely there are 59 boxes). Just because there's room in the paddock doesn't mean there's room on pit lane.
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- HamiltonMP427
cnd01 even if shared this a tall task and team that want to pull back to back may very well not have the opportunity due to congestion. Also let's not forget out safety measures. I know this subject seems precious to you but reality stands out further.
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- cnd01
LMSCorvetteGT2
I see congestion being a problem, but I've seen pit box sharing done efficiently and safely before in conti, so in theory at least, the same can be done with the USCC. I see the limiting of the field with preferance to full season entries as a way to make more money. The only way a team can be full season is if they pay all 12 race's entry fees which adds up quick when put into a lump sum at the beginning of the season. Reality is that some teams go into every season knowing they need financial help in parts of the season and unexpected crashes and part failures happen. It puts that much more strain on the teams to put such a limit on the field for the big races. If they limited it by qualifying, it would make much more sense. Also, what if more than 60 teams pay full season entry fees? Then is it first come first serve?
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- HamiltonMP427
It should be based on merit not first come first serve, sadly that is how other systems work, only in America have I see a more is better attitude for racing. However, even in Nascar you can show up but if you can't quali into the race you go home so I wouldn't mind some limit. You seem to over look the danger and how it becomes a safety issue 35-40 cars is enough and maybe still too much but 60 is pushing it and that isn't guaranteeing just one car per team. Thus 60 is the least we can see at this point. If you want to see that many cars run around there are plenty of old F1, Can-am and touring car vids to watch.
Also how many cars run in Conti is it up to 60? Also how would you suggest USCR do things if it's a double header weekend like they want to do with IZOD? What should minimum speed be, and will it be enough if many cars in a small pit area want to get on to pit road?
Look at NASCAR with say 30 cars on pit road that are lead lap cars at once, still have troubles on a pit road intended for a 43 car field. Now we look at Daytona for continuity and just the best comparison and I'd say there should be some worry to making it feasible.
Also how many cars run in Conti is it up to 60? Also how would you suggest USCR do things if it's a double header weekend like they want to do with IZOD? What should minimum speed be, and will it be enough if many cars in a small pit area want to get on to pit road?
Look at NASCAR with say 30 cars on pit road that are lead lap cars at once, still have troubles on a pit road intended for a 43 car field. Now we look at Daytona for continuity and just the best comparison and I'd say there should be some worry to making it feasible.
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- macospet1
- My What?
In other news.. here is the Continental Challenge schedule for next year, it's pretty sweet.
http://www.alms.com/articles/continental-tire-sportscar-challenge-sets-2014-schedule
2014 Continental Tire SportsCar Challenge Schedule
Date Venue
Jan 24 Daytona International Speedway
Mar 14 Sebring International Raceway
May 3 Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca
May 24 Lime Rock Park
Jun 7 Kansas Speedway
Jun 28 Watkins Glen International
Jul 12 Canadian Tire Motorsport Park
Jul 25 Indianapolis Motor Speedway
Aug 9 Road America
Aug 23 Virginia International Raceway
Sep 20 Circuit of The Americas
Oct 3 Road Atlanta
http://www.alms.com/articles/continental-tire-sportscar-challenge-sets-2014-schedule
2014 Continental Tire SportsCar Challenge Schedule
Date Venue
Jan 24 Daytona International Speedway
Mar 14 Sebring International Raceway
May 3 Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca
May 24 Lime Rock Park
Jun 7 Kansas Speedway
Jun 28 Watkins Glen International
Jul 12 Canadian Tire Motorsport Park
Jul 25 Indianapolis Motor Speedway
Aug 9 Road America
Aug 23 Virginia International Raceway
Sep 20 Circuit of The Americas
Oct 3 Road Atlanta
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Kansas will be a PC only race apparently, in exchange for PC being dropped from Detroit and Mosport due to grid sizes.
Safe to assume CTSC being added is to try to get more than 5 people to attend.
http://msn.foxsports.com/speed/sports-cars/kansas-added-to-2014-tusc-schedule/
Safe to assume CTSC being added is to try to get more than 5 people to attend.
http://msn.foxsports.com/speed/sports-cars/kansas-added-to-2014-tusc-schedule/
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- HamiltonMP427
Müle;8876043
Wait, Grid size is an issue? Say it aint so!?
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- GOTMAXPOWER
I've thought of a great solution to the grid size problems. They could split the grid into 2 every race, the first race would have the P2 cars, DeltaWings, PC cars, GTLM cars and GTC cars and the race could be called something like American Le Mans Series. The rest of the cars (DP Prototypes and GT Daytona) can have their own races which can be called Rolex Sports Car Series.
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- GTP_Sam48
I'm reading quite a few articles now about how many major teams are questioning whether the PC car they bought will even be usable in 2014. The PC field was capped at 10 cars and the projected number of PC cars planning to enter is 12 - 18. Financially, this could be a disaster if the sires doesn't address this issue soon. I believe the best solution is to make the PC cars run with IMSA Lights as the premier category. Then, split the DPs and LMP2s into two categories (LMP and DP). The DP teams no longer need to spend money upgrading their cars, and LMP2 teams can now be the premier class for USCC. (I believe this is the way it should be but of course none of what I just said will happen).
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- HamiltonMP427
I've thought of a great solution to the grid size problems. They could split the grid into 2 every race, the first race would have the P2 cars, DeltaWings, PC cars, GTLM cars and GTC cars and the race could be called something like American Le Mans Series. The rest of the cars (DP Prototypes and GT Daytona) can have their own races which can be called Rolex Sports Car Series.
My sides, you've made me have a good laugh 👍
I'm fine with the merger, I'm not fine with the over abundance and unreasonable bloating of the grid. As if it will create better racing.
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- Furinkazen_54
I've thought of a great solution to the grid size problems. They could split the grid into 2 every race, the first race would have the P2 cars, DeltaWings, PC cars, GTLM cars and GTC cars and the race could be called something like American Le Mans Series. The rest of the cars (DP Prototypes and GT Daytona) can have their own races which can be called Rolex Sports Car Series.
Sounds like an old idea, but it's a good one!
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Sam48
I completely agree. A spec class should not be a top class. It's like that in GT, so it should be the same in PT too. Although imo DP's are glorified GT's
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- I_powerslide
LMP2s are a spec class too mate... And although I prefer them to DPs, a top class with only 4 cars just isn't a good idea.
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aarror
Well yeah, but LMP2's seem a lot more relevent compared to DP's.
I'm just giving my opinion. I'll stick to the WEC.
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- GTP_RACECAR
The only thing either car has related to road cars is the engine, which even then is modified far beyond what the stock block is. So frankly the argument over who should be the top class should really be stopped.
One solution to the field size: Move PC to IMSA lites, increasing the significance of that latter system.
One solution to the field size: Move PC to IMSA lites, increasing the significance of that latter system.
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- HamiltonMP427
3 or 4...what are you talking about. Is that the sound of you not knowing the facts, I'd say so. Since P2 is an international level use of a certain class of cars and DP isn't, you shouldn't put that nationalist spin on who shows better racing. Also since who is better is subjective that is yet another reason why you're not factually correct. P2 puts on just as good racing as DP and Le Mans easily shows us that. The issue is that P2 can't sell cars any more than DP, thus manufactures in America opt to fight it out int he GTE-Pro where they can blast how their car won (if you neglect BoP of course).
Now this isn't to say that American groups can't get together and produce a winning P1 car, but why should they. The true top class should stay P1 really and I still am troubled by why their is a joint effort, Racecar pointed out the greatest flaw. I don't care for either P2 or DP.
The really issue here is snobby American race fans (who think we're the hub of racing) and elitist international fans that can't be bothered to see ALMS the closest to European be "tainted" by old world American Prototype esque cars. My issue is neither is true prototype other than shape, they don't create any development for more advance cars and are just spec which we already have plenty of.
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- cnd01
Sam48
That's if Imsa says there's room for them. Remember, spots are reserved for current teams, so that puts roughly 5 LMP2 cars on the grid of 19(2 ESM, 1L5, 1 Dyson, and 1 8STAR) because there are at least 14 DP racing next season for the entire year. That leaves 1 spot open for a one off/new team.
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They have not disclosed which teams have purchased these cars, and therefore we don't know how many people will be running them. According to 8Star and Starworks, they both bought/own LMP2 cars and they've both stated they'll run whichever one is deemed more efficient (i.e. either their DP or LMP2).
