2017 General WEC/ELMS/AsLMS Discussion ThreadSports Cars

[catamount39]

No I mixed up the ELMS winner with the WEC winner... Sorry 'bout that

*starts crying profusely*

 

[RACECAR]

*starts crying profusely*

 

[G.T.Ace]

#7 Audi excluded.

I hate myself for feeling some sort of satisfaction because of this...

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

The old skid plate worn down too much bit, how F1 or you WEC. I didn't even realize it was a strict rule or a rule until this happened.

 

[RACECAR]

The old skid plate worn down too much bit, how F1 or you WEC. I didn't even realize it was a strict rule or a rule until this happened.

That's the second new one for me, behind "Driving Unnecessarily Slowly In The Pit Entry"

 

[catamount39]

That's the second new one for me, behind "Driving Unnecessarily Slowly In The Pit Entry"

That's a thing?

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

That's a thing?

If you ask Force India, they'll fill you in on the nitty gritty of that one.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

That's a thing?

Nico Hülkenberg got pinged for it in the Chinese Grand Prix. Force India had him slow down on entry do that they could service Sergio Pérez without double-stacking Hülkenberg. That in and of itself isn't a problem; Hülkenberg took a penalty because the stewards felt that he disadvantaged others by slowing down. A queue formed behind him and he was going so slowly that Sebastian Vettel was able to accelerate past him (and another driver; I can't remember who) and still slow down for the speed limiter. It's an obscure rule, to be sure, but undoubtedly there to stop teams using one driver to impede another and manipulate the result of the race.

That's the second new one for me,

The skid plate rule is there to stop teams from running a ridiculously low ride height. It dates back to the days of active suspension, when teams could electronically control the ride height. The skid plate was introduced when active suspension was banned as a means of moderating it; if the ride height is too low, the skid plate wears down. There is some tolerance for normal wear and tear - say, going over a high kerb - but there comes a point where the skid plate is so worn out that the only way to have done it is to have run outside the regulations.

 

[IforceV8]

The skid block rule cost ESM a podium last year at Silverstone.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I know why the skid plate/block rule is there, but I didn't think WEC had a rule to the same extent as F1 does in that regards. Oh well, too bad for Audi, I think they knew there was a risk of this which is why they didn't launch an appeal.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

I know why the skid plate/block rule is there, but I didn't think WEC had a rule to the same extent as F1 does in that regards. Oh well, too bad for Audi, I think they knew there was a risk of this which is why they didn't launch an appeal.

These days, excess wear of a skid plate is usually a by-product of an aggressive set-up, or a flawed set-up.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

These days, excess wear of a skid plate is usually a by-product of an aggressive set-up, or a flawed set-up.

Yeah exactly which is why I said, they probably knew there was a risk due to a by product of design, ran with it anyways because it could have gone either way. And this time it didn't perfectly work out, so they'll go back and figure it out for next time. But I'm sure they knew it was there fault and there fault alone.

 

[Tired Tyres]

The full race is available to watch again on the WEC App.

 

[wowbaggerBR]

Some interesting insights from di Grassi. I found the information regarding the "true 4x4" nature of the R18 very interesting.

 

[trustjab]

Audi have appealed, but the results stand as-is for now at least. The advantage gained from running the car too low is noticeable. The penalty would happen to any other competitor, so all is fair imo.

 

[IforceV8]

Audi have appealed, but the results stand as-is for now at least. The advantage gained from running the car too low is noticeable. The penalty would happen to any other competitor, so all is fair imo.

Was this the Audi that had a front tire rubbing on the top of the wheel arch?

 

[wowbaggerBR]

Was this the Audi that had a front tire rubbing on the top of the wheel arch?

Yep.

 

[ukfan758]

Imagine if Porsche was the victim. Anyway, as an Audi fan, they shouldn't have been cheating with the car being low, just play by the rules.

 

[dQuim]

Lap times were a lot faster this year compared to last year. LMP1 fastest lap in 2015 was a 1:47.412. In 2016 it was a 1:40.303. LMP2 fastest time in 2015 was 1:56.735. 2016 was 1:48.909. Impressive considering the LMP1 cars should be slower due to having their fuel per lap limit reduced by 7.5%. Conditions were pretty similar too - sunny and cold.

 

[Furinkazen]

Imagine if Porsche was the victim. Anyway, as an Audi fan, they shouldn't have been cheating with the car being low, just play by the rules.

Setting a car ride height low is cheating?

Plank damage was probably caused by the excessive amount of kerbing being taken. And if Porsche was "victim" would have made no difference. Rules are rules, you may take your blinkers off now.

 

[Jimlaad43]

Plank damage was probably caused by the excessive amount of kerbing being taken. And if Porsche was "victim" would have made no difference. Rules are rules, you may take your blinkers off now.

The astroturf on the exits of Copse and Stowe have been removed, and from Friday practice at least, the cars were totally ignoring the track limits through Copse, so I can easily see that being one major source for floor removal, seeing as I found the scrape marks on the kerbs, which were a wooden plank colour...

 

[ukfan758]

Setting a car ride height low is cheating?

Plank damage was probably caused by the excessive amount of kerbing being taken. And if Porsche was "victim" would have made no difference. Rules are rules, you may take your blinkers off now.

Well they were trying to get an advantage, one that did violate the regulations by scrapping the plank my corner cutting.

And, I am honored to take my blinkers off.

 

[Furinkazen]

Well they were trying to get an advantage, one that did violate the regulations by scrapping the plank my corner cutting.

And, I am honored to take my blinkers off.

*citation needed of proof of advantage*
*citation needed of deliberate ploy for cheating*

 

[ukfan758]

*citation needed of proof of advantage*
*citation needed of deliberate ploy for cheating*

Well the :censored:ing plate was worn:
http://blackflag.jalopnik.com/a-too-thin-skid-block-strips-audi-of-6-hours-of-silvers-1771510496

You win, enjoy your prize.

 

[ukfan758]

Edit: Sorry for the double post, what's everyone thinking about spa? I see some great racing ahead!

 

[Tired Tyres]

I think everyone will be running le mans aero as usual especially as no third cars this year.

 

[Josa]

Lap times were a lot faster this year compared to last year. LMP1 fastest lap in 2015 was a 1:47.412. In 2016 it was a 1:40.303. LMP2 fastest time in 2015 was 1:56.735. 2016 was 1:48.909. Impressive considering the LMP1 cars should be slower due to having their fuel per lap limit reduced by 7.5%. Conditions were pretty similar too - sunny and cold.

Where did you get the info from 2015? They're completely wrong. Right numbers: http://fiawec.alkamelsystems.com/Re...6/07_FastestLapByDriverAfter_Race_ByClass.PDF

 

[dQuim]

Where did you get the info from 2015? They're completely wrong. Right numbers: http://fiawec.alkamelsystems.com/Results/05_2015/01_SILVERSTONE/78_FIA WEC/201504121230_Race/Hour 6/07_FastestLapByDriverAfter_Race_ByClass.PDF

The WEC offical app. Good to see there's consistency! The ones you posted look far more accurate! Still impressive for the LMP1's to essentially match their times from last year.

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• dQuim
• Apr 19, 2016

WEC 2015 silverstone

 

[Josa]

These numbers are from COTA 2015. The 2014 really is from Silverstone.

 

[shoemaker]

I have a few questions On the wec app, what is the video quality like ? Is it 1080 and fps OK ? Can I have main video feed on laptop, other car feeds on iPad and phone all at the same time ? Thanks