2017 General WEC/ELMS/AsLMS Discussion ThreadSports Cars

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

Adding more cold water to @catamount39's world

Aston Martin have partnered up with Mercedes-AMG who has a new twin-turbo V-8 that fits perfectly into the GTE engine regulations.

The time of turbos is coming.

It really doesn't.

 

[Tyrone B]

Because they're garbage now days and don't excite me at all, an Aston/Corvette/Audi makes me dream of driving it, an engine that sounds like nothing else in the world. Meanwhile some of these modern turbos sound like glorified hatches or worse. Its a trend with modern cars, they may look amazing, but the engines in some of them are trash. Don't want the dream car to sound like a fart can. If they were like Impreza's, Quattro's or Henessey Venom's, that'd be great. But they're not.

I don't care if the new 488 is faster than the 458, the 458 sounded like a racer, a monster. Turbos don't excite me, they lack the character of NA's.

While I do agree that many modern turbo engines lack the visceral character of their NA counterparts, to call them garbage does them a disservice IMO. Some of them are marvels of engineering that are actually quite fascinating.

 

[Panoz]

It really doesn't.

Ah okay.

Is there more to it not fitting in or is it other factors?

 

[GTPorsche]

Apparently Porsche were testing 2 cars today. Not sure why, but they had a car with #1 on it and a car with #2 on it.

 

[trustjab]

Here's a short video about the TS050's ZF clutch

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

Ah okay.

Is there more to it not fitting in or is it other factors?

There's a couple of aspects but I'm not gonna be surprised if there's a rule change before then due to what's happened.

 

[GTPorsche]

Thought turbos have to be 4.0L and under anyway.

 

[TDZdave]

@catamount39 just gonna leave this here....

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

Thought turbos have to be 4.0L and under anyway.

That's one small tiny aspect.

 

[IforceV8]

 

[GTPorsche]

Air ducts on roof = new engine location?

Is the engine in the driver seat now?

 

[-Fred-]

So basically, Porsche built another 911 GT1?

 

[IforceV8]

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

Yep that's turboed

 

[RACECAR]

Funny thing is, it doesn't sound vastly different from the current NA Flat-6.

 

[trustjab]

So basically, Porsche built another 911 GT1?

Yeah right. That thing would bury these gte's.

 

[-Fred-]

Yeah right. That thing would bury these gte's.

No doubt, it was, much like the other GT1 cars of the era, an LMP thinly disguised as a normal car. What I meant by that is that they're both mid-engined turbo "911s".

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Air ducts on roof = new engine location?

Is the engine in the driver seat now?

What? The duct is the same situation as that on DP car or Proto, the placement could be due to intercooler position or radiator. Just cause it sits more above the driver doesn't mean that it goes directly to that area, if we saw inside the car I'm guessing it'd have a vent sending air to where it needs to be. Just within the car rather than outside like most race cars. And probably to keep in line with the actual road car it's suppose to be based on.

And while we're on the subject of how GTE is slowly getting turned into what GT1/GTS was back in the day... Why not just quit beating around the bush and just go full ham with closely mandate rules so it doesn't get out of control budget wise.

 

[GTPorsche]

What? The duct is the same situation as that on DP car or Proto, the placement could be due to intercooler position or radiator. Just cause it sits more above the driver doesn't mean that it goes directly to that area, if we saw inside the car I'm guessing it'd have a vent sending air to where it needs to be. Just within the car rather than outside like most race cars. And probably to keep in line with the actual road car it's suppose to be based on.

And while we're on the subject of how GTE is slowly getting turned into what GT1/GTS was back in the day... Why not just quit beating around the bush and just go full ham with closely mandate rules so it doesn't get out of control budget wise.

I'm guessing it is for an intercooler if Porsche were definitely testing a turbo and a non-turbo variant. #1 seems to be the turbo car if that is the case. I doubt it has anything to do with a new engine placement, which is why I found it laughable that Dagys would speculate on that.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I'm guessing it is for an intercooler if Porsche were definitely testing a turbo and a non-turbo variant. #1 seems to be the turbo car if that is the case. I doubt it has anything to do with a new engine placement, which is why I found it laughable that Dagys would speculate on that.

Well it's not his fault, Porsche were the ones to originally bring up the talk about a mid engine 911 for GT racing. At the same time I could see it being used for a rear engine like you said, just the same.

 

[trustjab]

No doubt, it was, much like the other GT1 cars of the era, an LMP thinly disguised as a normal car. What I meant by that is that they're both mid-engined turbo "911s".

I wish it was a 911 gt1. That'd be nice to see. I think gte should be close to those gt1's or in between what we have now and previous gen (non-dtm) super gt gt500's.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Edit: wrong thread apparently.

 

[GTPorsche]

Weathertech thread is that way ---->

 

[CodeRedR51]

Weathertech thread is that way ---->

My bad. They're all the same to me.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

My bad. They're all the same to me.

I'm sure others would agree with you like on the F1 subject but uh...we all know how that went.

Anyways on the subject of GTE, wondering what the next major rule change is suppose to be and since I've been thinking about the tt stuff in light of post Le Mans, why don't they allow superchargers?

 

[IforceV8]

why don't they allow superchargers?

They do, up to 4.0L displacement is legal.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

They do, up to 4.0L displacement is legal.

So it's all forced induction. Cool

 

[catamount39]

I'd love a supercharged racer, imagine the sound of a 4.0L V8 with a supercharger. With some giant waivers...how about a 5.0L V8 with a supercharger? 3.5L V12 with supercharger? How about a-*goes into spasmic rambling*....

@catamount39 just gonna leave this here....

*faints*

 

[Clark]

Funny thing is, it doesn't sound vastly different from the current NA Flat-6.

That definitely sounds turbo

A lot lower revving and really muffled sounding. Nothing like the N/A RSR in my opinion.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Yeah when I heard it pass in the videos there was a bit a waste gate and spool from the turbo, or at least I can hear it. But perhaps that's cause of F1 for the past few years.