2018 Rolex Australian Grand PrixFormula 1
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Correct. In this case it's fans that are wrong, not the FIA
The change that does need to be made though, is that the regulations should say that car in a team should have the Halo a different colour. That fixes the "I can't see their helmet, so I don't know who they are" issue (even though the numbers and names are now visible on the sides of the cars).
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Exactly, there is enough to distinguish the drivers without looking at helmets. Anyway, with all the sponsor logos on them, they look the same anyway. When was the last time the Red Bull and Toro Rosso drivers were distinguishable?
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Cool. Now there is a sport more dangerous than motor racing. More people are killed per year playing it. More people get seriously injured playing it. What is it called?OK, I've had enough of this stupid Halo hate.
You want to know why I am happy to see the Halo on cars? In my time marshalling, I have been unfortunate enough to attend a fatal accident. It was a crash in a single seater where a driver was killed because his head was exposed. It was really not nice to be around and is not something I hope to see again. Why do I not dislike the halo? I know how horrible it is to go to a car and see terrible injuries. I wouldn't want to wish that experience on any other marshals. It really ruins your day/week/month to see somebody killed doing something they and you love. Do we really want another Justin Wilson type accident broadcast across the world and playing out in front of a packed grandstand filled with children? No. Do we want to open up GTPlanet and see a "RIP F1 driver" thread? No. The whole Jules Bianchi incident was a horrible moment for the sport.
The drivers asked for head protection, and the halo is the only viable solution at the moment. It will be improved to not only look better, but function even better than it does at the moment. How much do you really want to see one of the drivers killed? If the answer is anything other than "I don't", you really need to sort out your priorities and look at WHY the halo has been introduced, not just look at it and go...
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I don't like the way it looks. I can see many issues with it, but BECAUSE I understand the reasons it's there, there is NO ARGUMENT AGAINST IT. Aesthetics the only argument against it, which is a pathetic argument. In modern F1, a driver is more at risk from being hit in the head by flying debris or other cars than they are to be trapped in a burning car. F1 takes place on a circuit with marshals everywhere. If a car is on fire, someone will at least attempt to stop the fire in enough time that a driver won't be trapped for any time longer than necessary.
The Indycar shield is not a solution yet. There are too many issues with its strength in car-to-environment crashes for it to appear on cars yet. But it will probably replace the halo in a few years.
Safety is not a joke. In some places it can be taken too far, but here, it is not being taken too far.
Now, let's ignore the halo for a while, because it has zero affect on anything meaningful, and focus on the racing. That's what we're all here to watch, and what we want to see. This season should be much closer than last season, and the racing should be awesome. So lets focus on what matters, and not something that has been fully researched, and is being introduced with full confidence. Any issues it may cause have been thought of, researched and explained.
tl;dr: Get over it.
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Get over yourself.
Funny how so few people agree with you. I've posted before that this is NOT a solution to ANYTHING. A complete redesign of the cars to allow them to be enclosed safely is the solution.
The motorsport magazine video is here not for what Brundle says, but by the way he is asked for his opinion
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Anyone in the US with Verizon Fios having trouble signing into the ESPN app?
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Compare the likes on our posts and then restate that.
Not many people agree with me outside this thread because nobody ever thinks "why has that appeared", they all just assume everything is done to spite the fans. Look into why and then you'll realise how wrong you are.
Do you seriously want a driver to get killed? Offer a solution to driver head protection that has been thoroughly researched and is better than the halo in every way and I'll agree with you. Until that point, you're being as ignorant as a lot of the internet haters.
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Looking ahead on my directv timeline, I'm a bit worried about espn coverage. Just an hour for qualifying, and two hours for the race with no post-race on schedule?
I'm afraid that any slight delay means I won't get to see the end of the race. Heck, it already looks like podiums are out the door. Memories of espn constantly dropping the motorsport ball are coming back to me. I miss NBCsn already.
I'm afraid that any slight delay means I won't get to see the end of the race. Heck, it already looks like podiums are out the door. Memories of espn constantly dropping the motorsport ball are coming back to me. I miss NBCsn already.
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And I can't get their crappy app to work with Verizon to either register a new account or find my ID or password. Nothing works
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Looking ahead on my directv timeline, I'm a bit worried about espn coverage. Just an hour for qualifying, and two hours for the race with no post-race on schedule?
I'm afraid that any slight delay means I won't get to see the end of the race. Heck, it already looks like podiums are out the door. Memories of espn constantly dropping the motorsport ball are coming back to me. I miss NBCsn already.
Its worth remembering that Allen Bestwick was originally fired for their final year of Indycar coverage, only to be rehired because they could not find anyone else to replace him. Modern ESPN for you.
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@Jimlaad43, you can come up with all the reasons you want for why you think halo will save someone's life. A few things:
1. If safety really that high a priority, you should campaign to end motor racing. There's no need to drive cars this fast, it proves nothing to anyone. Resources and human life would be better spent trying to cure cancer, not driving in circles. If safety is priority number 1, motor racing is doing a piss poor job by encouraging people to drive that fast, even on a closed circuit.
2. If you don't want to see anyone get hurt, you could stop being a marshal, stop going to races. It's like being a lifeguard and hoping people don't get wet.
3. There's another little series, perhaps you've heard of it, called MotoGP, where riders reach similar top speeds, do it with no halo. Any arguement you want to make about why F1 needs halo kind of goes out the window when motorcycle racing still exists.
Statistically speaking, the sport of Polo is more dangerous than F1....yet when Superman broke his back, no one in the polo community made a knee jerk discussion to play polo in a bouncy castle.
F1 is soft, it's over politicized, and it's completely lost the plot.
In this addition of the Volvo Ocean race, a crewman from Shun Hun Kai Skallywag fell overboard on the stretch from Australia to Honk Kong (they still won the leg lol), no lifejacket, team nearly didn't find him. Despite that, no one is demanding that the next edition of the Volvo be sailed in a bathtub, so that no one gets hurt.
1. If safety really that high a priority, you should campaign to end motor racing. There's no need to drive cars this fast, it proves nothing to anyone. Resources and human life would be better spent trying to cure cancer, not driving in circles. If safety is priority number 1, motor racing is doing a piss poor job by encouraging people to drive that fast, even on a closed circuit.
2. If you don't want to see anyone get hurt, you could stop being a marshal, stop going to races. It's like being a lifeguard and hoping people don't get wet.
3. There's another little series, perhaps you've heard of it, called MotoGP, where riders reach similar top speeds, do it with no halo. Any arguement you want to make about why F1 needs halo kind of goes out the window when motorcycle racing still exists.
Statistically speaking, the sport of Polo is more dangerous than F1....yet when Superman broke his back, no one in the polo community made a knee jerk discussion to play polo in a bouncy castle.
F1 is soft, it's over politicized, and it's completely lost the plot.
In this addition of the Volvo Ocean race, a crewman from Shun Hun Kai Skallywag fell overboard on the stretch from Australia to Honk Kong (they still won the leg lol), no lifejacket, team nearly didn't find him. Despite that, no one is demanding that the next edition of the Volvo be sailed in a bathtub, so that no one gets hurt.
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Man, some people don't understand that others have a different opinion, nobody is right or wrong.
Look at the Isle of Man TT for goodness sake. Far more danger there than any other motorsport and yet the riders love it and turn up year after year, knowing that there is a huge chance they may be turning it into their final day alive.
The thing is, they want to do it, who is anyone to tell them no?
Look at the Isle of Man TT for goodness sake. Far more danger there than any other motorsport and yet the riders love it and turn up year after year, knowing that there is a huge chance they may be turning it into their final day alive.
The thing is, they want to do it, who is anyone to tell them no?
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Same with the bike race at Macau. It's dangerous, people accept it's dangerous, and they get on with it.
If every time someone died or got hurt at Isle of Mann or Macau, major changes were made to prevent people from getting hurt, those races would no longer exist.
I just don't understand how someone can want to watch something that is wnharently dangerous, but also wants assurance that no one will get hurt. If you're assured no one will get hurt, the activity isn't really dangerous anymore.
To me, being a skier, it's like wanting to ride the steepest, deepest powder out there, but have assurance that there will be no avalanches.....I might as well go skiing at the indoor shopping mall in Dubai.
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What are your clear arguements for it, other than you don't want to see someone get hurt while doing an enharently dangerous thing?
What clear arguements are there that indicate F1 needs halo while MotoGP doesn't?
What's more dangerous, MotoGP or F1?
And high horse? C'mon man, lol. If anyone is on a high horse, it's those advocating for halo - taking the moral high ground, the stance that "we want to protect everyone, so no one ever gets hurt. And if you disagree with our nannying of everything, you're a barbaric caveman who just wants to see bloodsport." That is preaching from a high horse.
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Jeez, this topic and the one when grid girls were removed from F1 really bring out the derp around here
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Don't worry, if it gets too much we can always flee to the Infield.
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Halo discussion goes somewhere else.
Like https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...-bus-f1s-new-halo.374930/page-4#post-12226145
Like https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...-bus-f1s-new-halo.374930/page-4#post-12226145
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I do feel like you're ignoring some counter arguments yourself, though. Did you watch the Martin Brundle interview posted earlier? I recommend taking in the footage and listening to all the commentary in this video too.
I think all of us here understand what you saw, nobody wants to go through anything like that, and nobody wants to see anyone hurt. But like the tickets say that they give you at the entrance gate, "Motorsport is dangerous, risk of death". I'm of the opinion that if you don't want to risk death or risk witnessing it, then you shouldn't partake, because it is going to happen at some point regardless of how many safety features are brought in.
Edit: Oops, mods feel free to move my post. Sorry for going off topic.
