A pitiful rockaful of credits for winning a Sports mode online race

[Pigems]

This is something that could be improved, but I think it also generates interest on the single player aspect. If there were at least 3 more endurance events to farm from time to time and the AI was a bit less psychotic, nobody would complain.


If this was the case, neither Turn 10 nor PD would be investing in AI taught by deep learning.

Also, F1 is one of the premier racing games today and the single player aspect is arguably bigger than the online mode. And iRacing has the best AInin the business, and they still suck to race against. So

And iRacing has the best AI in the business, and they still suck to race against. They still can’t compensate for where you place your car, they still can’t be spooked or goaded into making mistakes, they are just computers. AI will never be able to replicate racing against real humans, so it’s all a wasted effort. Just make the multiplayer better, and we’re all good. Even the best AI are just rolling obstacles, not racers.

 

[Pete_J_C]

All I see is 85% of people didn’t even give it a shot, that’s their fault, not mine. I avoided GTS for over a year because I thought online would suck. Then I finally tried it, and it was the best racing I’d ever had, and I’ll never go back. It sucks that so many people can’t handle it, their missing out big time.

hey pigems mate. maybe, just maybe, 85% of people think that online would suck?

regardless, this might be something to do with the fact that it does suck, everyone says it sucks, and there is little to no reward for doing it at all even championship races. they spent approx 4 seconds talking about online multiplayer in the state of play

 

[Voodoovaj]

Have they though? Because I don't know a single person who has paid for credits, and I certainly don't feel any pressure to buy them myself. Why would I, money is plentiful enough even with casual playing. With the exception of the really high value cars (which, let's be honest, you only want BECAUSE they are expensive, they are no better performing than something from a dealership) I haven't struggled to buy anything.

The success of extortion does not mean they haven't attempted it.

Do you feel like you are being extorted? In a game that we will all still be playing in five years, why are we rushing to own every car in the first six weeks?

Don't kid yourself. The game is only as good as it's community. GTS surived because of a focus on the community. The social page was at the forefront of the gane.

All that has been cast aside for "collecting".

Do I feel that I am being extorted because the cars that I have already purchased in game, and some in past DLC, are behind a soft paywall? Yes. Absolutely yes.

The Audi R8 is the same model since Prologue. The Scirocco is the same DLC i paid for in GT5. So, ya, fine, I have agreed to buy the game to get some improvements and some new features. However, adding the extreme tedium of collecting credits, or buying them, is pretty much extorsion.

The saving grace is that there is no good place to use these cars, so I don't feel that bad about not having them.

 

[Pigems]

hey pigems mate. maybe, just maybe, 85% of people think that online would suck?

regardless, this might be something to do with the fact that it does suck, everyone says it sucks, and there is little to no reward for doing it at all even championship races. they spent approx 4 seconds talking about online multiplayer in the state of play

That’s why they fly the top offline players all over the world and hold live offline events for the world to watch them play offline right? Am I getting it right? 🤔

Or why people tune into Twitch and YT to watch guys play offline by themselves?

 

[Pete_J_C]

That’s why they fly the top offline players all over the world and hold live offline events for the world to watch them play offline right? Am I getting it right? 🤔

Or why people tune into Twitch and YT to watch guys play offline by themselves?

please reread your own post. you said that you thought online would suck for a year. that's why I used that wording specifically, and mentioned the marketing and reception sports mode and championships have received.

 

[Pigems]

please reread your own post. you said that you thought online would suck for a year. that's why I used that wording specifically, and mentioned the marketing and reception sports mode and championships have received.

I did, but then I realized how wrong I had been all that time. Unfortunately I can’t get everyone else in that 85% to think the same way. They too scared to not win every race or get bumped once in a while I guess.

 

[Silver Arrows]

I blame all those who cried so hard about GTS being online focused. They cried so hard for “offline” old school GT, that PD overcorrected and ruined what was good about sport mode to make the people happy that can’t let the past go.

This is hilarious when the issue of pitiful payouts for Sport mode race wins go back to GT Sport, but sure, blame the people who wanted a classic mold of gameplay instead of wanting a mostly online focused game.

 

[Pigems]

This is hilarious when the issue of pitiful payouts for Sport mode race wins go back to GT Sport, but sure, blame the people who wanted a classic mold of gameplay instead of wanting a mostly online focused game.

Again, GT’s been a Grind since 1999, why do people think that’s ever going to change. If it bothers you so bad just use one of the workarounds like everyone else. Like I only have 8 cars left in the game to collect, it wasn’t that hard.

 

[PacNW_GT_64]

I've completed a few races online now in Sports mode - this weeks GR4 challenge - and have come first a couple of times. My prize money was 16,000CR - that is rubbish for a car collecting game.

Other than the online aspect of it, there is no real incentive to play this mode in comparison to entering an offline event that is just 3 laps and I can drive like an imbecile against the AI with no skill to get something like 80,000+CR

Are the developers addressing this at all? and also that fact that completing qualification laps (during the lengthy time it takes to get into a race) are not added to your daily workout mileage total

I'm just here for the Clockwork Orange reference LOL 'A pitiful rookerfull' -Sometimes it scares me how many obscure references I actually know 🤪

 

[Silver Arrows]

Again, GT’s been a Grind since 1999, why do people think that’s ever going to change. If it bothers you so bad just use one of the workarounds like everyone else. Like I only have 8 cars left in the game to collect, it wasn’t that hard.

Considering the fact that online racing was the entire point of GT Sport, it was a silly thing to have Sport mode races pay like crap, even as GTS morphed into a ad-hoc single player game. And more then anything else, if we go by the entire logic of your first post in this thread, that online racing is the next step for people and for people to 'stop living in the past' (forgetting that GT has ignored even attempting to make decent offline AI when so many other of its contemporaries have made attempts, most of which being successful, in providing good offline racing) then one aspect of that is to make pay for winning Sport Mode races actually mean something, and to give people that carrot to bother. They don't, so why wouldn't people grind Tokyo or Sardegna to get cars?

 

[Famine]

What the hell is a "rockaful"?

 

[Pigems]

Considering the fact that online racing was the entire point of GT Sport, it was a silly thing to have Sport mode races pay like crap, even as GTS morphed into a ad-hoc single player game. And more then anything else, if we go by the entire logic of your first post in this thread, that online racing is the next step for people and for people to 'stop living in the past' (forgetting that GT has ignored even attempting to make decent offline AI when so many other of its contemporaries have made attempts, most of which being successful, in providing good offline racing) then one aspect of that is to make pay for winning Sport Mode races actually mean something, and to give people that carrot to bother. They don't, so why wouldn't people grind Tokyo or Sardegna to get cars?

I don’t give a crap about the payouts for online races? Cars were so easy to get in GTS that it wasn’t even an issue. Sure they could be better in GT7, but who cares? You can use any car in sport mode without needing a single credit now in GT7, so what’s the issue? And if you want your own, it’s not that hard to go get them.

 

[Voodoovaj]

I don’t give a crap about the payouts for online races? Cars were so easy to get in GTS that it wasn’t even an issue. Sure they could be better in GT7, but who cares? You can use any car in sport mode without needing a single credit now in GT7, so what’s the issue? And if you want your own, it’s not that hard to go get them.

Ya, but winning cars, or gaining cars, are goals to work toward and it creates purpose.

Free cars in GTS gave more cavases for liveries. Free cars in GT7 is just an empty experience

 

[PacNW_GT_64]

What the hell is a "rockaful"?

It's a reference to the book and movie A Clockwork Orange. It should be 'pitiful rookerfull' however.

 

[mattikake]

Except we're not the smallest group. Time and time again the stats show that most people do not play online. These aren't "voices", these are raw hard stats that PD can look at. Let's remind ourselves:

Sport Races finished	% of Players	Players Count
A. 0 Races	84	13,315,000
B. 1-10 Races	10	1,539,800
C. 11-20 Races	2	242,600
D. More than 20 Races	5	748,400

84% of GTS buyers didn't even care to try Sport Mode even once. A further 10% gave it a try and not much more. So, is ~93% of your playerbase the minority? I think not.

Also PD are a first party game studio, of all the racing games on the market they should have just about the largest budget. There is no excuses at not being able to do both sides well. Other games with less money and people manage it.

Yeah but that's just sport mode races. I play online ALL THE TIME. Have a look at my profile... I've done the sum total of 10 sport mode races. For about a month I didn't even try a single sport mode race.

Sport mode races are crap, unrealistic, have a bad and desperate attitude from players and is, as those stats show, NOT what players want. That is the only conclusion that can be made. If stats capturing like those are what influence PD then they are more stupid than i thought.

"BS stats produce BS facts."

PD have failed utterly.

 

[Voodoovaj]

Yeah but that's just sport mode races. I play online ALL THE TIME. Have a look at my profile... I've done the sum total of 10 sport mode races. For about a month I didn't even try a single sport mode race.

Sport mode races are crap, unrealistic, have a bad and desperate attitude from players and is, as those stats show, NOT what players want. That is the only conclusion that can be made. If stats capturing like those are what influence PD then they are more stupid than i thought.

"BS stats produce BS facts."

PD have failed utterly.

Based on 10million copies of GTS sold, I think that your opinion is incorrect about what players want.

With single player being so pitiful, there's no chance they sold all those copies for the campaign mode.

 

[mattikake]

Based on 10million copies of GTS sold, I think that your opinion is incorrect about what players want.

With single player being so pitiful, there's no chance they sold all those copies for the campaign mode.

What I was implying is that the ONLY thing those stats indicate is that 84% people don't play sport mode.

It doesn't and cannot indicate that 84% of people don't play online, because that data has apparently not been captured.

 

[Voodoovaj]

What I was implying is that the ONLY thing those stats indicate is that 84% people don't play sport mode.

It doesn't and cannot indicate that 84% of people don't play online, because that data has apparently not been captured.

80% of people who buy any game, don't end up playing it for very long.

It's the old 80/20 rule of business and it applies to games as well.

But, year upon year, people bought GTS and it must have been for Sport Mode, because the campaign was pretty lacklustre. It sold almost double was GT6 sold and almost as much as GT5.

Now, they've gone back to a single player focus and the game is a train wreck by most accounts. I for one believe GT7 it to be the worst in the series, while GTS had the most memorable moments and it's the edition in the series that had me most involved.