A-spec Expert Level Non-Racing Car Challenge: Nürburgring Nordschleife

[Hellsoul0]

Easy on the auto! lol



I just bought them and added upgrades and removed camber and toe settings, changed the transmission and if they were 4wd I dropped the rear all the way downand front way up, 40/60 split and 5/30/5 lsd's. If it is a light RWD I drop the rear 10 less than front and make suspension all 3's and LSD 12/10/14, heavy RWD I use 3,4,6 for the suspension. I rarely touch the springs unless I am doing a TT then I change everything,



I downloaded the wrong replay but, it is still a 46 with a couple bad corners, hope it helps.

Thank you oh wise one *-*

 

[soupcan]

@MagicTH64

Your using the flat floor another top speed killer, try without it.

 

[MagicTH64]

@MagicTH64

Your using the flat floor another top speed killer, try without it.

You got me there. I don't know what a "flat floor" is or where to change it. But I still don't understand why, using the exact same tune, I get 81 H.P. less than other players.

 

[soupcan]

You got me there. I don't know what a "flat floor" is or where to change it. But I still don't understand why, using the exact same tune, I get 81 H.P. less than other players.

I just bought another GT-R did an oil change and added the flat floor and did all stage 3, window and hood weight reductions. I ended up with 391hp at 550pp as you have.

You need to NOT have the flat floor and hood, window weight reduction and no oil change to get the setup @Stotty posted.

Edit, flat floors are in the Custom Parts area under areo parts, to the left of wheels.

 

[MagicTH64]

I just bought another GT-R did an oil change and added the flat floor and did all stage 3, window and hood weight reductions. I ended up with 391hp at 550pp as you have.

Thanks a bunch. I'll try it out. I assume the car came with a flat floor since I had no idea they existed I'm pretty sure I never added one.

 

[Bluesman81977]

My lap times improved with the 288 GTO but still third. The AI seems to adjust itself... what would an easier lineup look like? I've heard that could help.

 

[Hellsoul0]

My lap times improved with the 288 GTO but still third. The AI seems to adjust itself... what would an easier lineup look like? I've heard that could help.

Something withiut zondas or zzll 00 or aston martin one- eleven

 

[RobertM525]

@WhoosierGirl Thank you for posting that lap with the Audi in Bumper Cam view. Since that's the view I use when I'm driving, it really helps to see your lap in that view, so I can compare driving line/turn-in points, breaking points, etc.

Couldn't we hypothetically be sharing the GT6 replay files? Then people could view it from whatever angle they wanted.

No idea what size they are, but I'd imagine they're not too big. Not that I know where they could be hosted.

You guys blow my mind with your sub-7m laps. And the laps that are 6m45s'ish are just perplexing to me.

Seriously! I was gratified just to beat the event. With driver aids!

EDIT: Turns out, my replay was 20.9 MB, zipped. (Not that I expect anyone to want to watch it, but I was curious what size replays were.)

 

[cjr3559]

I've got a love/hate relationship with this Seasonal. It's my favorite track, but the best I've finished is 2nd and I've tried so many cars I can't even recall which one it was. All I know is I've won around 4 million credits with the 200% bonus finishing anywhere from 2nd to 7th.

Here are some of the cars I've used. All are bone stock with anywhere from SH to SS tires. No assists and in cockpit or normal view:

Zonda C12
Ferrari F430
Ferrari California
R8 '07
GT-R '07
Corvette '14 Special Edition
Corvette Z06
RUF CTR2
Lambo Gallardo
BMW M4
Merc SL 65 AMG
Merc SL 55 AMG
Aston V12 Vantage
Cadillac CTS
Cizeta V16T
Ferrari 430 Scuderia
Ferrari GTO
Jaguar XKR-S
X-Bow Street
Both Countachs
Lexus IF S (standard)
Lexus LFA (standard)
SRT Viper GTS

EDIT: oops, this was accidentally sent before I was finished

 

[Hellsoul0]

I've got a love/hate relationship with this Seasonal. It's my favorite track, but the best I've finished is 2nd and I've tried so many cars I can't even recall which one it was. All I know is I've won around 4 million credits with the 200% bonus finishing anywhere from 2nd to 7th.

Here are some of the cars I've used. All are bone stock with anywhere from SH to SS tires. No assists and in cockpit or normal view:

Zonda C12
Ferrari F430
Ferrari California
R8 '07
GT-R '07
Corvette '14 Special Edition
Corvette Z06
RUF CTR2
Lambo Gallardo
BMW M4
Merc SL 65 AMG
Merc SL 55 AMG
Aston V12 Vantage
Cadillac CTS
Cizeta V16T
Ferrari 430 Scuderia
Ferrari GTO
Jaguar XKR-S
X-Bow Street
Both Countachs
Lexus IF S (standard)
Lexus LFA (standard)
SRT Viper GTS '13

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Try the mclearn mpc-12 it stable and fast. And I usually win by two second ahead. Though my lead were special ford gt and Mercedes slr

 

[kilesa4568]

I'm winning most of my races now that I'm not attacking the course.

If I aim for a 7ish minute lap instead of mid to low 6:50s, I'm pretty much error free and get to the front a couple of corners off the final straight, or close enough to the leaders to draft for a close win on the last couple of corners.

A conservative line and not gambling with the kerbs. It's slower but it gets the job done for me. Boooring.

 

[ALB123]

@WhoosierGirl & @mike_gt3 you are both amazing...

Thank you, WhoosierGirl for providing that Bumper Cam replay. I can see a huge difference between your laps and mine. You really throw your car into corners whereas I merely drive my car into the corners. Yet, I swear, when I try doing what I "think" you guys are doing I just end up sliding off the track because I'm carrying too much speed. I know it's a fine line between doing it right and doing it very, very wrong. Thank you, watching that replay will help me immensely. As soon as I load up my PS3 tonight I will hit this course and at least try attacking a few corners differently than I was. I hope it helps lower my time a bit! 👍

EDIT: @MagicTH64 Did you go into Custom Parts and try removing the flat floor from your GT-R? That should lower your PP significantly, from what it's currently at. Then you can go back into your Car Settings are increase the Power Limiter and hopefully get back most of that "lost" horsepower. Unfortunately, if you've ever done an oil change, you probably won't match my numbers exactly. Good luck!

 

[Hellsoul0]

Sigh so frustrated about this

 

[RobertM525]

I can see a huge difference between your laps and mine. You really throw your car into corners whereas I merely drive my car into the corners. Yet, I swear, when I try doing what I "think" you guys are doing I just end up sliding off the track because I'm carrying too much speed. I know it's a fine line between doing it right and doing it very, very wrong.

I've long been fascinated by that technique, ever since I saw it on a seasonal time trial's leaderboard in GT5. "High risk, high reward," yet the risk is compounded with every additional corner it's done on!

That said, I was trying a little bit of it on some corners. It's cool when it works. I just can't get it to work very often (as evidenced by my laptime and narrow victory ).

 

[ALB123]

I've long been fascinated by that technique, ever since I saw it on a seasonal time trial's leaderboard in GT5. "High risk, high reward," yet the risk is compounded with every additional corner it's done on!

That said, I was trying a little bit of it on some corners. It's cool when it works. I just can't get it to work very often (as evidenced by my laptime and narrow victory ).

I know how you feel. When I'm on the track, I feel like I'm pushing the tires to the limit and I am...it's just that I've placed my wheels at an incorrect angle and they're starting to lose grip rather than provide me with the proper grip and get me through those corners faster.

It really is fascinating to watch those sub 6m50s laps. It seems so easy. "Oh, I just gotta turn in sooner and keep my foot to the floor rather than half-throttle through..." Ummm...How come she can do it and I end up slamming into the wall at 140mph? It's just skill. We're talking a matter of a couple tenths of a second here, a few more tenths there... They add up to be quite a lot on a course like the Green Hell.

 

[Teflonicus]

I used my olive drab (yes, the colour was crucial) Nissan Silvia Spec-R Aero (S15) '02 and got it on first try with 7:15:149.

Full weight reduction, Stage 3 engine tuning, mid turbo plus odds and ends to bring it up to 550pp. 280km/h transmission worked fine but topped out from the middle of the straight. I'd probably go with 290-300 or extend the final gear some.

 

[ALB123]

Well, I took out the Honda HSC and I could have had my first sub 7 minute lap of this Seasonal Event, but I messed up in one section and had to go off the track and off the gas and luckily I didn't took wreck it. I ended up with a 7m02s lap, which I'm pretty damn happy with! I guess I should give this thing an oil change because I've got everything maxed out and I'm still not even at 550PP, only 546PP.

This car is definitely a sleeper, for me. I didn't know just how quick and nimble this thing is. I followed the suspension settings of THIS TUNE (the 525pp tune section) and I'm thinking maybe I should actually soften the suspension up a bit. I seemed to be bouncing around on a few sections of the track when I think I could have been hugging pavement instead. Maybe I'll try his alternate settings another time.

Thanks for bringing this car to my attention WhoosierGirl. 👍

 

[Stotty]

Video for my GT-R lap.

Sorry for the rubbish quality... had my camera balanced on top of my Blackberry on the arm of the couch (the buzzing towards the end of the lap that also alters the camera angle is a text message )... still shows the lines and dials clear enough.

 

[krasch27]

Hello everyone.. In my opinion, this expert seasonal was one of the best so far. Also, I must thank everyone who contributed to this thread, as I found all contributors helpful and inspirational.
Personally, I have had greatest success with a 94 Skyline GT-R V spec with full weight reduction and a stage 3 engine upgrade( no turbo upgrade) with 25\75 torque split.
At first I found this seasonal impossible, then after about 5 races I realised I was on Sports Hard tyres! I was really starting to question my ability until I found my mistake! Soon as I threw on the softs - no dramas!

 

[YapalfeuAulac]

I've got a love/hate relationship with this Seasonal. It's my favorite track, but the best I've finished is 2nd and I've tried so many cars I can't even recall which one it was. All I know is I've won around 4 million credits with the 200% bonus finishing anywhere from 2nd to 7th.

Here are some of the cars I've used. All are bone stock with anywhere from SH to SS tires. No assists and in cockpit or normal view:

Zonda C12
Ferrari F430
Ferrari California
R8 '07
GT-R '07
Corvette '14 Special Edition
Corvette Z06
RUF CTR2
Lambo Gallardo
BMW M4
Merc SL 65 AMG
Merc SL 55 AMG
Aston V12 Vantage
Cadillac CTS
Cizeta V16T
Ferrari 430 Scuderia
Ferrari GTO
Jaguar XKR-S
X-Bow Street
Both Countachs
Lexus IF S (standard)
Lexus LFA (standard)
SRT Viper GTS

EDIT: oops, this was accidentally sent before I was finished

Unless you drive only stock cars and don't want to tune them, you might like this german beast (BMW M5 '08) tamed by Praiano. Hope the link below works:

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...00pp-sport-tires.291084/page-102#post-9926063

 

[mike_gt3]

Video for my GT-R lap.

Sorry for the rubbish quality... had my camera balanced on top of my Blackberry on the arm of the couch (the buzzing towards the end of the lap that also alters the camera angle is a text message )... still shows the lines and dials clear enough.

Nice lap Stotty! clean and smooth 👍

 

[DudeRacer]

@WhoosierGirl - After seeing your atempt with the Odyssey, I thouht I'd give it a go.

After a couple of half laps (to tweak some settings) I completed my full competitive run......

4th. 7:37.332 and +21.147 behind the leader.

Definately going to pursue this to see if I can get a 1st. Perseverance may be the key. (And a decent tune!)

Thanks for giving me the idea to challenge myself this way.

 

[Stotty]

Nice lap Stotty! clean and smooth 👍

Thanks 👍

There are 2 moments that irritate me in the lap...

1. The left before the T1 split, where the car gets slightly out of shape coming off the preceding corner, and this fires me across the apex/grass (I was already hard on the gas and it happened too quickly to correct!). Doesn't lose me any time, but spoils the lap.

2. The scruffy overtake at Adenauer-Forst, where I didn't expect the AI to turn in so early (or I would have gone for the outside overtake)

Other than that, just a few small mistakes in the section between the Karussell and mini-Karussell where I overcook the entry, miss the apex and got a slide on mid corner, ruining exit speed.

For me, I reckon there would be another 1-2 seconds left at least if I was really chasing a lap time.

Nice car to drive though... never liked the GT-R in GT5, but it can be made to handle really well in GT6

 

[Tyger]

I need to go back to this. After sticking to my rule of not downtuning cars with higher PP I tried the Scuderia, Gallardo and GTR Black, only really getting OK results with the GTR, but then tried the Toyota FT-1 which was a pleasant surprise, and has got me within around 1.5 seconds of the lead rabbit on a couple of occasions.

That was without being close enough to slipstream on the main straight too, just hit the last few corners at a ridiculous speed and held it together, nearly catching him up. Pretty sure I can pick up his tow if I take a few more risks along the way.

 

[Hellsoul0]

I need to go back to this. After sticking to my rule of not downtuning cars with higher PP I tried the Scuderia, Gallardo and GTR Black, only really getting OK results with the GTR, but then tried the Toyota FT-1 which was a pleasant surprise, and has got me within around 1.5 seconds of the lead rabbit on a couple of occasions.

That was without being close enough to slipstream on the main straight too, just hit the last few corners at a ridiculous speed and held it together, nearly catching him up. Pretty sure I can pick up his tow if I take a few more risks along the way.

i'll give this car a try

 

[light driver]

You need to try that car 6,30's are easy with a real setup, that was first lap with it and just basic no camber or toe and dampers/bars at 333, really amazing car.



I think you asked for the bumper view a few days ago, this is the R8 first lap, messed up on the transmission and never used 6th but I think this is a good fast safe car.

Thanks a lot for the vid Whoosier... Very impressive... I tried the HSC also, very hard to drive, I find it understeering and unstable.. Understeery is perhaps not the right word, "turning reluctantly and crahes a lot" is a better way to express it.. I did one win with it, an emberrasing 7.10.xxx. There were 6-7 MAJOR crashes involved lol...But the HSC is insanely fast, it hit 330km/h...Insane...

So the big question is: Did I get/learn something from Your replays??? NO..Not at all...SKILL cannot be copied...I`m experienced, started with GT5Prologue...I know Nurb very very well. but again...Skill is God here, and You have it...Oh my "Road to Hell excuse" is I`m sitting in my sofa with that Sixaxis controller on my lap, wagging my left thumb a few milimeters left and right (yeah it sounds - perverted...And it is) Some day when GT7 comes out, I`ll buy myself a complete "spoiled kid racing rig" Hope it helps...

The most impressive (to me) of Your achievements here are: The Dino (gave it up myself) The Miura (won with it myself, some humble 7.06.xxx) and the HSC win in Your later vid...

Oh of course Your "alternative" wins in those SUV`s and such are also very impressive, but I choose to close my eyes to this, as I don`t think it should be possible. - It`s like Kaz saying to us. "Yes yes hai hai, our cars are veeeery fancy, they can be used as helicopters also, hai hai" (You know what I mean lol)

And a COMPLAINT: (My GF says the day I stop complaining she will call a doctor, because I can`t be well then)

Wait for it..wait for it...wait...Here it comes...

- Please don`t use the phrase "bumper wiev" because it`s certainly not a bumper wiev...It`s a "drivers eye wiev with everythig but the dials made invisible for Your convenience" wiev...How do I know??? Simple...Jump into a short car, like the Daihatsu Midget for example....It`s literally a cabin on wheels, with no hood to it...Bump into the car in front of You, and note how extremely close You can go on him, before You made contact..
Then jump into a long vehicle like the Dodge Charger Super Bee for example. Note the difference between the "contact distance" between the Midget and the Bee - It`s huge...If it was a bumper wiev, all cars would have the exact same "contact distance" - right?? - Also; from a bumper cam You would be looking straight into the bumper of the car ahead (and UP on it) when closing in, but You look through his rear window, as You would IRL...Enough of that...Just saying...

Thanks for the vids, You did it on my request, very nice of You...

Hey the best I did so far was a 7.00.xxx in my MP4... That evil monkey reciding inside my ps3 just would`t allow me to get under 7min...Not finished yet though...And I got my Ford GT 05 down to 7.03.xxx...

Keep it up Whoosier galaxy thing...And everyone else...Floor it...crash it...spin it....WIN IT...

Edit I just noticed my post is a little confusing, because I`m replying to the vid with the Audi, and not even mentioning the Audi. Instead I talk about the later HSC vid, but thats because I simply forgot about the Audi lol...Not important, all Your vids show great skill....Oh and the HSC vid is -insane...wow...

 

[ALB123]

Thanks for that replay @Stotty... I find them very helpful to my learning. It blows me away how skilled you guys are. Hopefully some day I'll be up there with ya, but I doubt it... Something has to click in my brain so I can change my driving significantly. I'll keep trying!! 👍

 

[MagicTH64]

, but then tried the Toyota FT-1 which was a pleasant surprise, and has got me within around 1.5 seconds of the lead rabbit on a couple of occasions.

Several have said use the FT-1. I tried mine and it rejects it saying it's not a "normal" car. Mine was a gift for running a lap when it came out. Did you buy one that is somehow different?

 

[Stotty]

Thanks for that replay @Stotty... I find them very helpful to my learning. It blows me away how skilled you guys are. Hopefully some day I'll be up there with ya, but I doubt it... Something has to click in my brain so I can change my driving significantly. I'll keep trying!! 👍

No problem 👍

Events like this aren't really the right place to work on your skills IMO... much better to run the time trials as you can chase a ghost and analyse your laps against others in the data logger.

Good luck

 

[ALB123]

No problem 👍

Events like this aren't really the right place to work on your skills IMO... much better to run the time trials as you can chase a ghost and analyse your laps against others in the data logger.

Good luck

Oh, that's precisely what I plan on doing. I just like to use the videos for reference. I make note of what speed you're carrying into a particular corner, where your breaking point is (or isn't if you aren't braking at all), where are you turning in and how aggressively are you turning in and then I concentrate on trying to do that myself, but in an Arcade Mode > Time Trial session.

You're absolutely right. Like any sport, game time isn't when you work on changing things. That's what practice is for. You don't adjust your batting stance in the middle of a baseball game. You stick with what you know. Work out adjustments during batting practice. Same thing with a golf swing. Work on your changes on the driving range... When I'm "racing" I'm sticking with what I know well -- but in practice I can try all sorts of new things and work on them until they become muscle memory which can be applied during a race/seasonal event.