A-spec Expert Level Non-Racing Car Challenge: Nürburgring Nordschleife

[Ratrasta]

Gold at last thanks to @Stotty for his MP4 and Nissan tune's.

 

[poseidol]

Just finished a very satisfying race with the MP4-12C. First place with a lap time of 7:10.516, without driver aids (save ABS1). To the gentleman/lady that won using the Nissan R390 GT-1: what was your lap-time and top-speed with this car to get first place? I've tried many times, but always end up in 2nd due to lack of top-speed (the speedometer tops out at 290km/h, without draft). Thanks in advance...

 

[Tyger]

Got gold with the trusty FT-1, lap was 7:14 and overall 8:12 so a relatively slow race, however things got scrappy towards the end, buffetting the two rabbits just to get past whilst staying well away from the grass. I was up with them at the mini carousel but only eventually took both of them in the last few bends after the long straight. Had I not got jumpy and been a bit cleaner I would've knocked a few seconds off that time. Tempted to try it again with the GTR now, which seems slower generally but has a higher top speed, and is more stable.

 

[jrotaryb]

I'm getting closer - down to 3rd place. As some have suggested, I removed the flat floors from my FD RX-7 and gained about 30 PP to play with so I was able to add about 60hp and adjust 5th and 6th gear all of which add up to better punch out of corners and more top end on the final straight (touching just around 200mph now).

If I could stop making mistakes this car definitely has a 1st place finish in it - I can post the tune later if anyone is interested (using a DS3 though).

 

[coryclifford]

I like my flat floor '02 RX-7. It's super easy to drive. And out of all the cars I've driven on this event, this one is easiest for me.

Body rigidizer and oil
Fully lightened
Big turbo and cat at 98.1%
Clutch and driveshaft, no LSD
Flipped trans (I think)
124
2.500
1.833
1.541
1.298
1.097
0.930
3.333

100/100
6.19/7.19
3/3
3/3
4/4
0/0
0/0
Brakes at 2 for no ABS

404 hp 1039 kg

Real basic but it's an RX-7.

It only does 175 mph or so but the floor makes it so easy to weave through traffic.

 

[jrotaryb]

Funny - my setup is similar though I am using a chunk of camber and toe:
-2.5 Front, -1.5 Rear and about .25 Toe out up front, zero rear.

I'm not using any aids accept ABS on 1 and I'm using a DS3 w/ steering set at 3. The car is great but I usually make at least 1 time consuming mistake on a long track like the NUR.

 

[Stotty]

Funny - my setup is similar though I am using a chunk of camber and toe:
-2.5 Front, -1.5 Rear and about .25 Toe out up front, zero rear.

The reason you need all that -ve front toe is because you're using camber... if you take the camber off you'll be able to take the toe off and you should have a better front end

 

[daveyhero]

Been away for a while, but have been playing

7.08s with a 543PP BMW M3 CSL, fully tuned, and also same time with the Subaru NBR package, 550PP through power/weight mods and stock suspension. Both on SS, both fun and felt appropriate to the challenge

Might fiddle around with a third car, if I can think of something good. My Golf R is good for a 3rd, but didn't have the guts and I don't think can win in it's current form.

To beat AI it's the same trick as the last 'ring seasonal - drive clean and they come to you! Not saying you don't need pace, but this will be the difference between a 3rd and a 1st

 

[RobertM525]

The reason you need all that -ve front toe is because you're using camber... if you take the camber off you'll be able to take the toe off and you should have a better front end

I know camber is bugged and useless, but is toe also useless? Or just in this particular case?

 

[Stotty]

I know camber is bugged and useless, but is toe also useless? Or just in this particular case?

Toe works just fine, but if you add camber, you add turn-in stability and mid-corner understeer. And then you need to add increasing amounts of -ve toe to compensate for this extra mid-corner understeer. The more -ve toe you add, the slower the turn-in becomes.... This is an ever increasing circle of understeer (the killer of lap times).

Once you remove the camber, you can remove the toe, which gives your car more entry rotation with at least as much mid corner grip. If the car had good mid and exit front grip, but is too sharp on turn in, you add a tiny a amount of LSD decel.

All settings are something of a compromise, but there are some combinations that work against each other, and some that have a more specific effect.

Personally, I prefer to use ride height rake (usually a higher front than rear) as the primary balance adjuster, focusing on minimising mid and exit understeer, and then fine tune any excessive enrty rotation with tiny amounts of LSD decel (small LSD changes have a massive effect in GT6). With toe, you're always compromised for either entry or mid, or exit corner rotation.

It's always something of a balancing act between entry, mid and exit grip, but camber is almost always destructive.

 

[mike_gt3]

Had about 2 hour free this afternoon, i tried the C7 Corvette, fun car to drive! a little ''lighter'' feel than the 458 at high speed, got it to 6:46.388 with some errors.

I started to run the HSC and stopped before getting angry with the A.I.
I think it can run around 6:41 with a good lap.

 

[Stotty]

6'41

I wonder if there is there a car that will run a 6'39.xxx?

 

[mike_gt3]

6'41

I wonder if there is there a car that will run a 6'39.xxx?

I think the HSC can get really close if the A.I. lineup perfectly match it and can give some draft wich i doubt, it look like they are programmed to get in your way right where you can gain the most time wich can get annoying, i will try more cars tonight!

 

[mike_gt3]

The Nardò is pretty good, i need to find a better car lineup but i got it to 6:38 , the A.I. isnt running at the same pace from an attempt to another, its difficult to get a clean run, they are always in the way

Enought for tonight, i almost snapped my headphones in half because of the A.I. and the restarts

 

[ioh1]

Thx for the video Stotty, gread impressions for me to improve, I can´t get under 7:03 yet, you people are awesome.
I took the advice of WhoosierGirl and got myself the Miura, the car is great but it´s so hard to control the back.

 

[daveyhero]

My Golf R did do the job with an upgrade to high RPM turbo. It was a last corner lunge, 7.12. Good fun

 

[FerrariF1GT]

Tried using the GSX-R/4. Best finish was 3rd. Hate the ZR1 and SLR '03! Harder that Raining Blood, One, and TTFAF on Expert at the same time! Well, for me it is. If that Wii wasn't so unresponsive for that strumming...

Update: Won against a Ford GT '05 by two seconds, with the GSX-R/4.

 

[jrotaryb]

Set the alignment specs to zero as recommended...instant 3rd place finishes, no other changes. The F/R balance is about the same but I can carry more speed through turns so there's more grip for sure. 1st place is getting closer...

 

[joeledward]

No aids at all. DS3 controller, both sticks and gear select on triggers.

Passed Zonda coming into last carousel then he passed me then I passed him.

Floor pan cheater car. Slow, but glued down. And relatively easy.


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Still working on the Civic, joeledward. I can get second. But now that I see you used aids...

I used ABS 1, TC 0, SRF off and active steering on , same as TTs

 

[ALB123]

I am so disappointed. I decided to try this event with my Lamborghini Aventador and I just drive so terribly with that car in this race. I've got no problem winning with a freakin' Miura but I can't seem to pull it off in a 2012 Aventador.

 

[coryclifford]

Tried using the GSX-R/4. Best finish was 3rd.

That was motivational enough for me to try! Took the same car I used for the Sierra event and made it 550pp and changed the final gear.

Little scary sometimes, little aggravating sometimes, cause it catches up to everyone so quickly!





👍

 

[forty_three]

Man, I should have read this thread before picking this one up. Tried some more or less stock cars and never got better than third. So I figured my Nardo with my current setup runs the ring in 6:42, so if i limit it, I can surely win. Wrong.

My first 3 runs in it got to 7:10, 7:15 (stepped over the outside limit at Lauda Links and had to get off it) and 7:09 and never won. In the 7:09 run, I was actually in third by the Karrousel and still didn't win. Went once more, tagged a fishtailing LFA (for 10th place) early and went off and hit the wall. Rejoined and wound up winning that one with a 7:22... Passed the leader just as we went onto the back straight.

Great programming for an "expert" race. You have to be an expert at blowing the first four sectors in order to win. Blistering the first half of the track (like an expert) gets you nothing.

 

[STB Macca]

Finally golded this after multiple attempts last 2 days Used the Citroen GT Road Car on stock raced PERFECTLY avoiding traffic as much as possible passed leader on last corner to main straight, then i done some very none sportsman like blocking the whole way down the straight taking very slow $ defencive lines on last section. managed a 7:11 to win (mostly due to blocking leader at end )

 

[faburisu]

that thing is like 10x harder than vettel challenge was in GT5... try with a R35 , 430 Scuderia , NSX-R .. always get less than 7minutes 6.50 typically and finished 2nd each time... that Ford GT always manage to keep 10-15s between us from karoussel to the finish line ... look like as soon i reach the 3rd place he accelerate , amazing ! I bet i need to get the right starting grid cars and will have an easy win with 10sec advance ... A pure GranTurismo AI like i hate

 

[coryclifford]

Stock X Box I mean X Bro I mean X Bow R '12 was alright. 96.2% power limited to 286 hp and 790 kg. Topping out at 164 on the straight hurt until picking up the draft then it topped out at 180. ZZII and Viper were flying. Clean last few corner overtakes and there it is.👍

 

[Esotic1972]

After fighting and losing with a corvette, f430, and gtr I tried a tuned rx7 and nailed it the first time. This is a great seasonal race and I'll be sad to see it go.

 

[cbarbosa]

If anyone is still enjoying this seasonal has I am, feel free to try this tune from Exeter Tuning, from @shaunm80:

Link

Car: Nissan GT-R '07

It's amazing, a bullet, it passed everyone superfast and I had the time to play a bit with the Lambo and the Pagani on the straight!

Huge grip!

A hidden gem!

 

[Bluesman81977]

Well after some time away I've come back to this and finally managed second with a 458. 7:27 lap time is my best so far on this one...

 

[Bluesman81977]

Sigh so frustrated about this

Is it any better?

 

[Hellsoul0]

Is it any better?

it just frustrating for me because i can only get gold at this if it doesn't have a zonda tommykira or a aston one-eleven so i dont feel like i really won lol