Are S rated drivers actually the dirtiest

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NikNakTobasco
The jokes write themselves with this gem.
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whats the joke? I was told I couldnt change things but I did.

Having people who drove dirty quit the game should be the goal. Why should that not be the goal?
 
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LSFDRX
I'm not sure why an egregiously unsportsmanlike person getting a taste of their own medicine is frowned upon.
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Because it's essentially creating the world that you're trying to avoid. You can do it, and if you're not overfurnished in the brain department it might even feel like justice. But it's sort of silly.

This dude thinks he's the Batman of GT online, not realising that actually in the real world Batman would just be a psychopath who never got over his trauma.
JDM_GT7
For the first couple months of sim racing I took the high road every single time but when one single driver caused to me to lose DR/SR back down to B/A I decided to make his life miserable. He is gone now, I outlasted him. He was intentional dirty and his name was Cowbunga!
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Except instead of his parents being killed in an alley, he lost some DR/SR. Once. It was so bad that he then became the online vigilante that all racers know and fear as JDM_GT7.

I mean, as far as reasons to become a vigilante, that's pretty tops. 10/10, no notes.
JDM_GT7
Having people who drove dirty quit the game should be the goal.
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So you're quitting tomorrow, right? That seems like one dirty driver that you'd find it really easy to get rid of. Potentially multiples if you retired all your revenge accounts.
 
I would say that S doesn't equal a clean driver. The penalty system doesn't work, so the rating is totally worthless.
 
My favorite top-split temper tantrum move is when you’re side by side going into a heavy braking zone. Your opponent goes defensive early and way inside (very fair), then I decide without hesitation to take a nice center-road position, essentially pinning them inside for a compromised exit (also fair). They come back wide to try to get an apex only to find me there and I’m not moving.

It’s usually like a 75% chance they dive bomb me the next corner. I’m top split N/A as well. I’ve had a couple encounters with JDM. It’s a mixed bag
 
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Because it's essentially creating the world that you're trying to avoid. You can do it, and if you're not overfurnished in the brain department it might even feel like justice. But it's sort of silly.

This dude thinks he's the Batman of GT online, not realising that actually in the real world Batman would just be a psychopath who never got over his trauma.

Except instead of his parents being killed in an alley, he lost some DR/SR. Once. It was so bad that he then became the online vigilante that all racers know and fear as JDM_GT7.

I mean, as far as reasons to become a vigilante, that's pretty tops. 10/10, no notes.

So you're quitting tomorrow, right? That seems like one dirty driver that you'd find it really easy to get rid of. Potentially multiples if you retired all your revenge accounts.
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why would I quit. I am not the first to strike ever.

I tried for about 400 races to ignore. I tried to even blame myself. I even whole heartly agree with this



and I basically act like this till someone makes my list. Also think for using ableist slurs against me.
 
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There's two simple racing tenets I go by.

1) give back the position when making contact (where necessary). At least back off to restore the space.

2) Stay true to my own standards of clean driving. That is to say, don't stoop to somebody else's level. At best, karma will get them. At worst, their misdemeanor was accidental and your reaction, misjudged.
 
benjoi84
There's two simple racing tenets I go by.

1) give back the position when making contact (where necessary). At least back off to restore the space.

2) Stay true to my own standards of clean driving. That is to say, don't stoop to somebody else's level. At best, karma will get them. At worst, their misdemeanor was accidental and your reaction, misjudged.
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except there are people are intentional dirty, and I am not talking about my openly intentional dirtiness to dirty drivers.

I give back all positions if I accidently made contact.

You can see input and see who is actually dirty.



or people like arc that punt people after they late block them

 
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JDM_GT7
saying my mind isnt there.
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That's not an ableist slur. And that's also not what I said.

I assume you're referring to "if you're not overfurnished in the brain department" which is a fancy way of saying "if you're not very smart". That's not an ableist slur either.

To take away the flowery language, I said that if you're not very smart then you might feel that more of the same crime is justice. Most people learn that two wrongs don't make a right fairly early on, and most people find that concept pretty uncontentious. We recognise that "an eye for an eye" leads to some pretty nasty social behaviour, and so by the time we become adults most of us have learned to turn the other cheek or at least seek more productive forms of seeking justice. But some never do. You appear to be one of them.

If that hits a little too close to home for you, I don't know what to tell you. But you can't just label something as an ableist slur because it makes you uncomfortable.

You seem to have spent an extraordinary amount of time doubling down on this already, so I don't expect you to be able to even entertain the idea that you might be incorrect. That would imply that you've been wasting your time creating your extra accounts, stalking people online, crashing them out, checking whether they're still playing, gloating when they're not online. The human brain is a funny thing, and while it's often extraordinary capable at some pretty amazing things most of them are pretty terrible at admitting when they're wrong.
 
because already as someone with Autism I under went so much bullying because of how interact or did not interact with people, the irony is I have 154iq and was able to take myself out of the work force by becoming a day trader a very successful one considering my seed money was from working for 25 dollars an hour. So saying I am stupid is basically wrong, my mind is literally different than your an able to compartmentalize better, and thinks in more literally ways than you could ever manage.

I usually do not believe in eye for an eye, but in this case these people do this intentionally dirty driving because the rewards for them out weigh any downside. My only goal is to make their dirty driving a net negative for them. Until the penalty system is fixed there is no net negative for these people, except for me. Also their crime is not victimless.

I do other things, just look at my profile pic, and quite frankly only spend so much time playing Gt7 because I can do it while I keep an eye on my work which is taking money from the rich. Like until this thread I never really obsessed about it. If you want obsession you should here me talk about tuning real car, MTBs or skiing. Also a majority never means someone is incorrect or correct on something, its just means I am against the majority.
 
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JDM_GT7
So saying I am stupid is basically wrong, my mind is literally different than your an able to compartmentalize better, and thinks in more literally ways than you could ever manage.
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You should probably be careful with the assumptions that you make about other people. Somewhere upwards of 2% of the population is autistic in most countries, and somewhere upwards of 5% is neurodivergent in some manner. It's not rare. It's also not an excuse for being an asshole.

I'm sorry that you were bullied when you were younger, but one would have hoped that would allow you to see the damage that sort of behaviour causes. If you think that what you went through entitles you to a turn being the bully, that's not the case.

If your past trauma continues to cause you pain in the present (as is the case for many neurodivergent people, especially those who are late diagnosed) then you should seek professional help for that rather than taking it out on people playing online games. Mental health support systems are pretty notoriously terrible everywhere, but it's at least a start.
JDM_GT7
I usually do not believe in eye for an eye, but...
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No. You believe in an eye for an eye. If there's a but on the end of that sentence, you believe in it.

Your IQ can be as high as you like, but you believe in something profoundly stupid and destructive. You're far from unique in that regard.
JDM_GT7
Also their crime is not victimless.
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It's also not a crime. You are not Batman.

We're talking about people being kinda rude in a video game, not domestic violence. Maybe keep a sense of scale. You're not saving people from having the **** kicked out of them, you're "saving" them from maybe getting spun out in the imaginary car racing game. Don't get me wrong, it's annoying, but framing it as a "crime" with "victims" is just you creating justification for all the effort you go to in order to try and emotionally harm these people.
 
this really isnt trama or pain, you really do not know me.

If you can tell me another way to get people to stop driving dirty to me, I will do it and be all ears.

Dirty meaning intentional dirty driving. So far my way is the only way that has stopped people from doing it to me. but I am all ears if you have another way.
 
You know, I always had certain preconceptions about people who seemingly can't stay in S safety rank because the races are "too chaotic" or whatever, but finding out people have dedicated retribution ramming accounts is... 🤨

Won't try and pretend to be the better person because sometimes I do retribute against intentional rammers ruining a race but damn, don't become a hitman.
 
JDM_GT7
this really isnt trama or pain, you really do not know me.
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I didn't say I did. I'm making suggestions based on the information you've given me. I only know what you've written.

Normally people aren't this eager to talk to internet strangers about mental health and bullying, and it's super odd to try and use it to justify your actions as an adult. People without trauma don't suddenly bring up how much they were bullied when they were young as a defense mechanism. That's just not how that works.
JDM_GT7
So far my way is the only way that has stopped people from doing it to me.
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It hasn't though. Otherwise you wouldn't still be doing this. You wouldn't still have these lists and accounts for ramming other people.

You might have succeeded in getting some people to quit playing online, but you probably have no real evidence whether it was because of you or if they just stopped playing for other reasons. But there's thousands of other people out there. There's new people buying the game every day. There's people who are good drivers who are just having a bad day because their dad just died, and they rage on the track and snap at anyone who messages them. There are children, and grandparents, and maniacs, and assholes, and people with mental health issues. It's fundamentally part of the structure of how the game is built and plain old human nature, and it's not going to change no matter what you do or how many people you crash out.

Even with the best penalty system in the world, there will still be people out there who intentionally crash others. You're into motorsport, you've seen it.

You can't fix other people. You can't stop other people from intentionally driving dirty, if that's what they want to do.

You can only change yourself.

I suggest the "problem" is not that people crash into you, that's expected when you go racing. It's just part of the game and you have to be able to deal with it.

The problem is your response to it. Learn how to not take it personally when someone crashes you out. Identify that someone is a malicious ********, tuck their name away so you can avoid them next time and then let it go. Move on to the next race, or switch off and go do something else. You have the power to "step away" from these people any time you want by turning the game off. You have total control over whether they can even interact with you at all. Learn to stop thinking of this as a crime that needs justice, and think of it as the unfortunate but ultimately meaningless luck of you being on the same bit of road as a human potato.

It is not easy. But it's both a useful skill and a more mature way to deal with what is ultimately just a game.

It's not a bad thing to take a game seriously and want to improve, but if you're stalking people so that you can bully them to get revenge for actions in an online game then you need to look at how well you have your emotions under control.
 
I am also starting a list. But just to avoid and be aware what kind of guy is in my mirror. A second list with whom to trust and have fair and great races with.
 
Artremis
You know, I always had certain preconceptions about people who seemingly can't stay in S safety rank because the races are "too chaotic" or whatever, but finding out people have dedicated retribution ramming accounts is... 🤨

Won't try and pretend to be the better person because sometimes I do retribute against intentional rammers ruining a race but damn, don't become a hitman.
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and those accounts always stay S rated.......to show you how mess up the system is.

I do not care about people "crashing" into me. I expect people to contact me by mistakes.

in response to the other post

I do care about people going about thinking they wreck people with no consequences, I am not taking personally and in some cases the only way to avoid them would be stop doing that daily race when I carved out time to do that daily race. I do not think the crime need justice, I just want clean races and I am willing to punter the punter till they quit or stop punting, yes by bullying them. So yes I have literally stopped people from driving dirty. I have never seen someone in one my amatuer touring car race wreck someone else on purpose.

I also do not stalk them if I see them I just switch names and go hunting. I have better things to do than watch the internet activity of 20 some people, my meeting with them are just same time same place.
 
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In GT Sport I spent enough time in FIA races at the same level racing against the same people to know which people would always be fair, and which people you should avoid going into 50/50s with. If I raced against someone I didn't recognise and they were obviously trying to disrupt races and I came into contact with them, I wouldn't have any qualms about putting them in a wall. That isn't something which happened a lot though, and I've not played GT7 anywhere near enough to have that sort of problem.

You can always tell someone who makes a mistake, someone who over-reacts to any given situation and someone who's just going out of their way to be dirty. Drive your own race and don't just go into a rage as soon as something bad happens and you'll be fine.

You can always get away from dirty drivers by just going faster, don't forget that.
 
JDM_GT7
again. I can tell mistakes from intentional or intentional careless to the point of harm to others.


I assure you the people I am harasssing did this intentionally, and normally not just to me. Are you the WorldisFlat?
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Everyone thinks they can tell intentional from unintentional, and that's the problem with trying to be a vigilante. You don't know if someone is intentionally making contact or not unless you are that person.

You're not a PD sanctioned race steward, you're just someone who thinks he can tell intentional contact from unintentional, who then proceeds to bully others until they acquiesce and race how you think they should.

By taking the "initiative" and seeking revenge, you're just being dirty. If someone makes contact unintentionally and they don't agree with you, you ruin their races. That is the definition of dirty.

All the racers you've "made quit", they haven't quit because of you, they've quit because you took the fun out of the game for them. You could have helped them learn race-craft, about slipstream and how it effects braking distance, about race etiquette. But you didn't, you bullied them until they stopped racing.

You're just a bully.
 
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Zero2Oblivion
Everyone thinks they can tell intentional from unintentional, and that's the problem with trying to be a vigilante. You don't know if someone is intentionally making contact or not unless you are that person.

You're not a PD sanctioned race steward, you're just someone who thinks he can tell intentional contact from unintentional, who then proceeds to bully others until they acquiesce and race how you think they should.

By taking the "initiative" and seeking revenge, you're just being dirty. If someone makes contact unintentionally and they don't agree with you, you ruin their races. That is the definition of dirty.

All the racers you've "made quit", they haven't quit because of you, they've quit because you took the fun out of the game for them. You could have helped them learn race-craft, about slipstream and how it effects braking distance, about race etiquette. But you didn't, you bullied them until they stopped racing.

You're just a bully.
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I am an IRL race steward.....these people were intentional. They had a chance to change.

This was not accidental or incidental contact, these were delibrate attempts at ramming. I will start to post videos if you do not believe me. Contact is going to happen, I am not seeking out people who make contact with me, I am seeking out those who deliberately and unequivocally are intentionally taking people out. People that had no prior contact to them. Ialso talk to them, so many of them just tell me I was in their way, I literally posted up a screen shot of someone who said that.
 
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Everyone knows real life race stewards don't have an IQ of 150. :lol: :P

Glasses don't fool anyone either.


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Shall I take revenge against people deliberately breaking GTPlanet's rules?


Never mind day-trading, I wish I could trade the day spent reading this thread for pretty much any other day.
 
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