Besides the eSports, What's the Point?

[alexnipi]

Thinking that the online save will prevent the cheating is a misinformation just wait and we will see cheating in question of time

 

[PzR Slim]

As far as the actual racing, it is miles above Pcars2 which is it's closest competition as Forza is not available on PS4.

, good one!

 

[Silver Arrows]

An important part is also the viewership of esports. Not sure many will tune in to see virtual cars running tracks.

Replace 'not sure many' to 'nobody will'. Doesn't matter if it's Forza Racing Championship, PCARS's ESL branded championship, or whatever pony show iRacing trots out. They're all pretty much 100 viewer affairs compared to something like Dreamhack or The international.

So, what makes Polyphony, with the FIA's infinite wisdom, eSports game going to do differently that's going to make sim racing a viable genre of eSports?

, good one!

I want what he's smoking. PCARS 2 may be buggy on PS4, but it certainly thrashes whatever GT Sport manages to eek out.

 

[Deadheadbill]

But it may make them think twice when designing the next game. Or we can sit here, stay shtum and end up with a game that carried over features that many people don't like.

What you are basically doing is asking people not to express an opinion while expressing your own opinion. Opinions are very welcome here as long as they don't break the AUP. If you don't like it you don't need to read it or reply to it.

Not true at all, I simply expressed MY opinion that they are useless and said that "I" would be happy when they disappeared(ie: complainers realized the online racing focus is not going anywhere and either accepted it or moved on). I assume my opinion is very welcome here even if it differs from some others?

 

[Downhill Dino]

Replace 'not sure many' to 'nobody will'. Doesn't matter if it's Forza Racing Championship, PCARS's ESL branded championship, or whatever pony show iRacing trots out. They're all pretty much 100 viewer affairs compared to something like Dreamhack or The international.

So, what makes Polyphony, with the FIA's infinite wisdom, eSports game going to do differently that's going to make sim racing a viable genre of eSports?



I want what he's smoking. PCARS 2 may be buggy on PS4, but it certainly thrashes whatever GT Sport manages to eek out.

Nothing! Racing games are just as boring to watch as card games. Ok maybe not as boring, but it's around there. This whole infatuation with the growing esports scene has really attracted people it shouldn't have.

 

[Deadheadbill]

K. I'm gonna go race. Already spent too much time complaining with the complainers.

 

[Silver Arrows]

Nothing! Racing games are just as boring to watch as card games. Ok maybe not as boring, but it's around there. This whole infatuation with the growing esports scene has really attracted people it shouldn't have.

The thing is, just as a proof of concept, sim racing in eSports could work. In fact, it's probably the most natural fit for the entire idea of eSports. The problem is that too many of them are obviously just done in mom's basement with a dodgy mic and a green screen.

 

[Downhill Dino]

, good one!

Yeah, he is wrong, GRID takes the cake there. What do you mean old unsupported games don't count?

The thing is, just as a proof of concept, sim racing in eSports could work. In fact, it's probably the most natural fit for the entire idea of eSports. The problem is that too many of them are obviously just done in mom's basement with a dodgy mic and a green screen.

Ehhhh, I'm still not entirely sure. If feels like it could be a good fit but it's not a genre I think that will work in the end.

 

[DriveSpark]

I love the inference that collecting a bunch of cars and taking photos of them in a game has some sort of point or meaning, but racing doesn't.

The point is entertainment - lets be honest we could all be spending our time in more worthwhile ways.

If racing isn't your thing then most racing games aren't really for you and isn't a fault of the game.

 

[Scaff]

Maybe you should reread what I said before you attack me. I did not attack or accuse anyone of trolling simply made point that this game is NOT going to change and threads like this are not going to change it only create animosity amongst players as obviously it has done for you against me.

How do you know it's not going to change?

The only people who know that are Sony and PD, for all we know Sony could at this very moment be demanding that plans be put in place to address the valid concerns of those who are not happy.

As such many of us who have raised those issues are not going to go away and stop playing.

As for your passive aggressive suggestion that I not express my opinion because I lack "longevity" , guess you're just gonna have to deal with it cause I'm here to stay baby.

Didn't say anything of the sort.

Let me put it another way, negative and positive feedback on every title is a long running part of GT Planet and as such new members will need to accept that as a part of how things go here.

That I can assure you will not change, and please don't double post. The site has numerous tools to allow you to multi quote posts and/or edit new parts in.

If someone hasn't posted after you and only a short period of time has passed then edit your original post rather than creating a new one.

As far as the actual racing, it is miles above Pcars2 which is it's closest competition as Forza is not available on PS4. Also they have stated that free dlc is coming down the pike so hopefully that will add some more variety.

I disagree, I find the online standards of racing in lobbies that use rules and penalties to be much higher in PC2.

Certainly the way in which penalties are enforced in both PC2 and iRacing are much more robust, fairer and effective.

Maybe, but frankly, I doubt it. Sales and the success of the esport races will determine their future decisions I believe.

The will form a part of it, my concern is that PD have partnered with no-one that has any track record in promoting esports.

The FIA certainly have none, nor do PD.

The current largest racing esports title in every platform is PC, partly because they partnered with ESL who have a massive amount of experience in running, organising and promoting esports.

It also demonstrates that you don't need to cull single player from a title to make a success of esports.

 

[Deadheadbill]

How do you know it's not going to change?

Nobody can be for sure 100% but I doubt they are gonna completely reverse course because of some forum complaints.

As such many of us who have raised those issues are not going to go away and stop playing.

Honestly don't want anyone to go away, but if a game is so unenjoyable why would anyone continue to play it? My point was that I wished the complaints threads would cease to exist.

Didn't say anything of the sort.

Let me put it another way, negative and positive feedback on every title is a long running part of GT Planet and as such new members will need to accept that as a part of how things go here.

The way you presented it here would have made me completely forego any response on the matter. It seemed to me as you you were trying to say "respect your elders". If I was wrong then I withdraw the passive aggressive comment. However new member or not, my opinion is that they are worthless(the posts, not the members just to clarify).

That I can assure you will not change, and please don't double post. The site has numerous tools to allow you to multi quote posts and/or edit new parts in.

If someone hasn't posted after you and only a short period of time has passed then edit your original post rather than creating a new one.

That was pointed out to me and I attempted to rectify it.

 

[Skiddy]

Nothing! Racing games are just as boring to watch as card games. Ok maybe not as boring, but it's around there. This whole infatuation with the growing esports scene has really attracted people it shouldn't have.

I take it you do not watch WSOP..

 

[Scaff]

Nobody can be for sure 100% but I doubt they are gonna completely reverse course because of some forum complaints.

No one has asked for them to completely reverse course, they could bolster the off line play and ease up on the always online without changing the esport promotion.

Honestly don't want anyone to go away, but if a game is so unenjoyable why would anyone continue to play it? My point was that I wished the complaints threads would cease to exist.

It's simply not that black and white.

GTS has the potential to be a great title, for many they are frustrated that it's made the mistake step, not that's it's fundamentally unenjoyable (truth be told I do find the rally to be fundamentally unenjoyable, but that's a separate issue to the rest).

Threads of this nature are never going to go away, as censorship that only allowed positive posts would be counter to everything that GT Planet is.

The way you presented it here would have made me completely forego any response on the matter. It seemed to me as you you were trying to say "respect your elders". If I was wrong then I withdraw the passive aggressive comment. However new member or not, my opinion is that they are worthless.

Not at all. However do you not think it might be an idea to understand the position others truly hold first? It can be done simply by asking, I have some deep reservations about parts of GTS and having been sim racing for twenty odd years, much of it with GT, a lot of context exists within that view.

It's also important to understand that they are not always worthless, we are the largest GT community on the web and possibly the largest sim racing one as well. Devs from various studios do post here, and it can and has made a difference. Even if that wre not the case, negative discussions have as much of a part to play as positive ones.

That was pointed out to me and I attempted to rectify it.

Thanks.

 

[Downhill Dino]

I take it you do not watch WSOP..

I meant card games such as Hearthstone/Magic.

 

[SleezyBigSlim]

Current CPU technology currently doesn't allow for good AI. We,have a long way to go un computing power to get there. I could really enjoy Drive Club and deffinately not Motorstorm due to rubberband AI. GT has never had rubberband AI but it was,still too predictable. In GT6 no matter what car, race, or track I would always catch up and pass the AI at the same time, lap 3 or 4, never fails. Yet people complain there are not many single player in the game.

 

[Callum Hunter]

People need to understand that this game is not for everyone, i personally love it because it makes me focus on my racing technique and driving skill, yeah i would like to be able to collect more cars etc but at the end of the day this game is incredible to race in and it is stunning to look at and i really like the fact that PD are taking to game in a new direction tbh. If you are stuck in the mindset of just wanting to collect cars and do single player races then go back to GT6 and stop complaining because that is not what this is.

 

[Scaff]

Current CPU technology currently doesn't allow for good AI. We,have a long way to go un computing power to get there. I could really enjoy Drive Club and deffinately not Motorstorm due to rubberband AI. GT has never had rubberband AI but it was,still too predictable. In GT6 no matter what car, race, or track I would always catch up and pass the AI at the same time, lap 3 or 4, never fails. Yet people complain there are not many single player in the game.

Yes it has.

If you are stuck in the mindset of just wanting to collect cars and do single player races then go back to GT6 and stop complaining because that is not what this is.

Nope, this is GT Planet and people can complain all they like, as long as they keep within the AUP then they can complain in every post they make if they like.

 

[Johnnypenso]

tree'd

 

[Deadheadbill]

Polyphony is bringin some new blood into da house!! You old timers should be happy!!

 

[Callum Hunter]

Nope, this is GT Planet and people can complain all they like, as long as they keep within the AUP then they can complain in every post they h=make if they like.

Ok fair enough i phrased that wrong, i mean i think people need to accept that PD are taking this in a new direction and are very unlikely to completely change the direction of the game. Everyone is entitled to their opinion on the game (what this thread is for, i understand) but i just think if people dont like the direction the game is going in they me be better suited sticking to PC2 or AC.

 

[Scaff]

Polyphony is bringin some new blood into da house!! You old timers should be happy!!

Overall it is good.

Its not just PD that do it, but any major sim or racing release brings in new members, some stay, some don't. Its always a busy time for the staff, that's the one constant.

Ok fair enough i phrased that wrong, i mean i think people need to accept that PD are taking this in a new direction and are very unlikely to completely change the direction of the game. Everyone is entitled to their opinion on the game (what this thread is for, i understand) but i just think if people dont like the direction the game is going in they me be better suited sticking to PC2 or AC.

I've not actually seen a single person ask for a complete change in direction.

Most want more single player added in and a better save system that doesn't lock the title down if your not on-line or the servers are down. Keep in mind that I can still play all of the off-line content for every title in the GT series right now if I want, as it stands today that will not be the case in the future when (and they will at some point) the GTS servers go off-line. At that point GTS will be a coaster.

Nor are such complains without precedent when it comes to devs changing, take a look at the recent issues with Street Fighter V (in which Capcom did pretty much exactly what PD have done) or any title that launched with an always on-line need.

The changes that most are requesting are no unreasonable, unrealistic or unprecedented.

 

[Adrenaline]

"I bought this racing game, but don't like racing... this racing game sucks!"

I understand if you aren't into racing games and like the other knick knacks the old GT's had, I get it, I really do, but newsflash people... this isn't the old GTs. There's a reason they didn't call it GT7. This is a new branch of the brand, not a continuation of the old gaming model. If you buy GTSport hoping to get GT7 you have no one to blame but yourself.

The previews literally told us, this game is about racing, not collecting cars.

Dedicated racing events, online tournaments, steadier online lobbies/servers, 24 real people on the track at a time, more race cars, less street cars, they've conjoined time trialing and racing together in amazing fashion, intuitive match making for better groups of racers of similar skill, and constantly rotating events.

This game is about the sport of racing. If you want to collect, I recommend Pokemon Go.

 

[Callum Hunter]

Overall it is good.

Its not just PD that do it, but any major sim or racing release brings in new members, some stay, some don't. Its always a busy time for the staff, that's the one constant.


I've not actually seen a single person ask for a complete change in direction.

Most want more single player added in and a better save system that doesn't lock the title down if your not on-line or the servers are down. Keep in mind that I can still play all of the off-line content for every title in the GT series right now if I want, as it stands today that will not be the case in the future when (and they will at some point) the GTS servers go off-line. At that point GTS will be a coaster.

Nor are such complains without precedent when it comes to devs changing, take a look at the recent issues with Street Fighter V (in which Capcom did pretty much exactly what PD have done) or any title that launched with an always on-line need.

The changes that most are requesting are no unreasonable, unrealistic or unprecedented.

Yeah fair play

 

[BarbarianGoth]

And that's great if it's to stop cheating but how does not letting people take photos in scapes or create liveries for their cars stop cheating?

I think they made it always online to prevent any credit car glitches like there was in GT6 shortly after launch or GT5's gifting system where you could gift yourself a 20mil car via an alternate PSN account. But that's PD's fault for allowing such glitches to exist. Making the single player portion always online is just ridiculous.

 

[Deadheadbill]

I think they made it always online to prevent any credit car glitches like there was in GT6 shortly after launch or GT5's gifting system where you could gift yourself a 20mil car via an alternate PSN account. But that's PD's fault for allowing such glitches to exist. Making the single player portion always online is just ridiculous.

Well, It's mainly so you can't edit your car files etc offline for use in races online against other players. It's to stop cheating in an game that is geared towards online competition. I agree that they should look at some way to allow more offline activities just don't know if that is possible the way the game is designed.

 

[Scaff]

Well, It's mainly so you can't edit your car files etc offline for use in races online against other players. It's to stop cheating in an game that is geared towards online competition. I agree that they should look at some way to allow more offline activities just don't know if that is possible the way the game is designed.

I don't personally buy it as a reason, given that plenty of other on-line esport series run quite happy without it.

It should be perfectly possible to enable a system in which a save generated check-sum for the car data is used to ensure its not be tampered with.

 

[Tekku]

All I know is that I haven't had this much fun with a Gran Turismo game since the early Playstation era. I'm totally in love with this new direction.

 

[BarbarianGoth]

Well, It's mainly so you can't edit your car files etc offline for use in races online against other players. It's to stop cheating in an game that is geared towards online competition. I agree that they should look at some way to allow more offline activities just don't know if that is possible the way the game is designed.

In Sport Mode it applies a balance of performance anyway. A car with 1 million HP and 100 kg of weight will be balanced anyway.

 

[Deadheadbill]

I don't personally buy it as a reason, given that plenty of other on-line esport series run quite happy without it.

It should be perfectly possible to enable a system in which a save generated check-sum for the car data is used to ensure its not be tampered with.

Well, they have already said that they plan expand the offline portion in the future.

All I know is that I haven't had this much fun with a Gran Turismo game since the early Playstation era. I'm totally in love with this new direction.

Agree 100%.

 

[Scaff]

Well, they have already said that they plan expand the offline portion in the future.

Which will be a good move as long as they don't add more to the single player and then lock it down with the always on-line still.

 

[BarbarianGoth]

All I know is that I haven't had this much fun with a Gran Turismo game since the early Playstation era. I'm totally in love with this new direction.

There is no reason they could not do a GT6 style single player and the Sport Mode, with Sony's resources and 4 year dev cycle. Apart from laziness and saving $ to give less for more.