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I had four up in my E30 a few times and there looked like there was plenty of space.
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I had four up in my E30 a few times and there looked like there was plenty of space.
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- monkeylima
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- That_sneaky_azN
Can't really complain about legroom until you come across a 911.
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Unless your front seat passengers are about 6'6" I don't remember the E30 being that bad for people in the rear? In fact of all the old BMW's I've had I don't think any of them were that bad. The E30 was about average, the E28's rear seats were lovely, and the E24 had almost bucket seats in the back, not much space for knees but comfy none-the-less. As I recall the E36 Coupe was about the worst. I think maybe the much simpler interior styling of the old cars helped them feel roomier though.
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Yup, that'd be right up my street.
A lot of people complain about the "four door coupe" thing but it's probably one of the most appealing niches for me. The 6GC is the best-looking 6er, the 4GC probably my favourite 3/4 Series, and if the 2GC looks anything like that render it'll instantly be my favourite of BMW's smaller models. I also prefer the VW CC to the Passat, the CLS to the E-class, the CLA (particularly the shooting brake) to the A-class, and I was quite disappointed when Audi said they weren't intending to produce the TT Sportback:
They're not as practical as proper saloons, but most people don't carry rear passengers frequently anyway. Yet they look better, and they are more practical than a regular coupe for the times you do occasionally carry someone in the back.
A lot of people complain about the "four door coupe" thing but it's probably one of the most appealing niches for me. The 6GC is the best-looking 6er, the 4GC probably my favourite 3/4 Series, and if the 2GC looks anything like that render it'll instantly be my favourite of BMW's smaller models. I also prefer the VW CC to the Passat, the CLS to the E-class, the CLA (particularly the shooting brake) to the A-class, and I was quite disappointed when Audi said they weren't intending to produce the TT Sportback:
They're not as practical as proper saloons, but most people don't carry rear passengers frequently anyway. Yet they look better, and they are more practical than a regular coupe for the times you do occasionally carry someone in the back.
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My only problem with it is that it has managed to sneak into regular hum drum family sedans. It kinda kills the appeal when every 4th car on the road is a white or silver/tan base model Fusion with 16 inch wheels but the same dramatic swoopy sporty styling as an Audi A7. Right now it's nearing worse than when midsize sedans started having Bangle Butts slapped on them with even less rhyme or reason than the actual BMWs did.
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I think that's probably less of a problem in Europe since we don't really go in for sedans anyway. For some time there's been a sort of coupe-fication of 3-door hatchbacks, but they're different enough that there's no crossover anyway.
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I was hesitant about 4 door coupe concepts at first, but I think BMW/Mercedes/Audi have done a good job using that to make sleek, attractive sedans.
I love the look of the M6 Gran Coupe, and is on the list of cars that I would like to own someday.
You take back what you just said!
The M5 may not be hugely bigger than the M3 inside, but it is an appreciable difference, and on longer trips, every little bit more helps in the comfort of the occupants. The M5 have tend to be more luxurious, have more comfort features and nicer to be in for long drives.
With that said, the current F80 M3 should still be fairly spacious inside as they have grown to the point where the M3 is now within an inch or two in every dimension to my E39 M5, and the interior volume between them in both front and back feel virtually the same.
And the new M5/M6 are still (slightly) quicker than the new M3/M4.
It's a bit tight back there, but I've fit 2 passengers in the back for a couple of hour trips and they were ok.
I love the look of the M6 Gran Coupe, and is on the list of cars that I would like to own someday.
You take back what you just said!
The M5 may not be hugely bigger than the M3 inside, but it is an appreciable difference, and on longer trips, every little bit more helps in the comfort of the occupants. The M5 have tend to be more luxurious, have more comfort features and nicer to be in for long drives.
With that said, the current F80 M3 should still be fairly spacious inside as they have grown to the point where the M3 is now within an inch or two in every dimension to my E39 M5, and the interior volume between them in both front and back feel virtually the same.
And the new M5/M6 are still (slightly) quicker than the new M3/M4.
It's a bit tight back there, but I've fit 2 passengers in the back for a couple of hour trips and they were ok.
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Now make a wagon!Edit : on topic
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The M5 in the real world destroys the M3/4 just this 0 to 60mph fetish doesn't show that, as after a certain point, grip not power is more important at getting the best figure.I was hesitant about 4 door coupe concepts at first, but I think BMW/Mercedes/Audi have done a good job using that to make sleek, attractive sedans.
I love the look of the M6 Gran Coupe, and is on the list of cars that I would like to own someday.
You take back what you just said!
The M5 may not be hugely bigger than the M3 inside, but it is an appreciable difference, and on longer trips, every little bit more helps in the comfort of the occupants. The M5 have tend to be more luxurious, have more comfort features and nicer to be in for long drives.
With that said, the current F80 M3 should still be fairly spacious inside as they have grown to the point where the M3 is now within an inch or two in every dimension to my E39 M5, and the interior volume between them in both front and back feel virtually the same.
And the new M5/M6 are still (slightly) quicker than the new M3/M4.
It's a bit tight back there, but I've fit 2 passengers in the back for a couple of hour trips and they were ok.
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Surely you mean power and not grip? Off the line there's not much to separate them but once you're rolling at a certain speed, the big V8 stuff does move quicker.
On a purely subjective level, the M5/6 sound better than the nasty, farty, diesel-ish M3/4 too. Though in reality none of them sound as good as the old inline-six M stuff or an E39 M5. The best sounding M-car at the moment isn't a proper M model, it's the M135i.
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What i'm saying is after a certain point of power the grip is more important for low speed acceleration.
The M5/M6 with an IPE exhuast sorts the sound issues I would say, but the M135i is glorious probably the best sounding Six since the R32.
I have driven all the M cars in question and I pretty much agree on you there, but the M5/6 sounds ok in person better then what you hear on YT, but certainly not as good as an E63/CLS63.
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Here I was thinking I was crazy for sharing that view. Phew!
I've always objected to the whole four-door coupe thing more on the grounds of it being a silly name than the actual products themselves. I was never a big fan of the banana-shaped CLS, but I could understand the appeal compared to the E-Class at the time, especially with it's taxi driver reputation over the pond. But BMW has seemingly hit on something great with the 6 GC, because I see them on a 5:1 ratio compared to the regular 2 door model.
The ones that still don't make sense - and the sales numbers undoubtedly bear that out - are the GT's. I think I've seen maybe a dozen 5GT's since release in the wild, and I've seen precisely two of the 3's version. I'm starting to notice more 4 GC's these days, though it's a lot harder to tell them apart from a well-spec'd 328i from head-on, compared to the 5/6 differences. In a darker hue, so the side vent is minimalized, they look so much better than the 3 series does, with subtle changes to the stance and that smoother roofline really working well.
Is a four door version of a two door version of a four door car silly? Sure. But BMW would be even sillier to ignore the market demand. The sooner they can have a 2 GC out on the road to fight the A3/CLA more directly, the better.
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Unfortunately BMW have stopped breaking down their quarterly and annual reports by body style. However, this was the last set I compiled, and posted elsewhere...
So, the 6GC is usefully outselling the Coupe or Convertible. I don't think BMW anticipated this.
As for the GT's, the word is the target sales for them is 10% of the series sales. Apparently they are achieving this, though it's not possible to extract that information specifically from the reports anymore.
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Im talking about the GT 3 and 5 series.
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Ah fair enough. Actually, they were originally conceived as a replacement for the poorly selling tourers in the US market - but, the US market hasn't taken to them and they aren't doing that well... the global sales are indeed propped up by China, though I think the GT's do okay in Europe. I saw plenty when I was in Germany last month.
Next gen GT's will be sleeker, but consequently less practical, and therefore a bit more pointless.
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Saw that one in person, looks magnificent. Audi's A3 sedan is awesome too. I prefer it to the CLA, eventhough Im a Merc guy.
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The A3 saloon is handsome, but a little too boring for my tastes. The S3 is a little better, and good to drive, but I think I still prefer the Merc.
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I've never liked the CLA. I don't think it looks good. An A3 sedan is what I'd love to own, for the interior alone!
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I can't wait for the M2, particularly since the youtube videos seem to suggest that it will sound more like the 1M (or any other BMW I6 turbo for that matter) than the horrid sounding M3/M4.
I have always been an M3 fan but I may be in the market for a new car by the time the M2 lands and I know which one I will be looking at... Plus I'm still dirty about the M4 name
I have always been an M3 fan but I may be in the market for a new car by the time the M2 lands and I know which one I will be looking at... Plus I'm still dirty about the M4 name
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M2 at the Nurb again
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My folks had an MGB convertible when I was about 3.5, in those days nobody cared if you had a small child lying on the parcel shelf. So I did. Legroom? Pah.
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Take it they didn't have the rare option of a single rear seat.
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I was mistaken... MG Midget convertible... apologies
But all and any options that were available as upgrades were never bought
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Most B's didn't have it anyways. What year was the Midget?I was mistaken... MG Midget convertible... apologies
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We're way off-topic... I'd have to check but I'm pretty sure it was a '75 1500.
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That was a sad time for not only that car but, cars in general. Also, yes we should get back on topic.
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