Democrats' Health Care bill has been passed - SCOTUS ruling update

[arora]

I seriously doubt when this bill takes effect your situation will change any in the slightest, you might feel better in thinking the government is sticking it to the rich is about all.

 

[Ibonibo]

Try to see past your own personal situation.

That sounds socialist

 

[Prosthetic]

I seriously doubt when this bill takes effect your situation will change any in the slightest, you might feel better in thinking the government is sticking it to the rich is about all.

Way to ignore everything I've said. But go ahead and keep on dodging bullets.

The only way this can negatively effect someone is if they can afford insurance but don't pay for it. Right now, if I weren't covered by my well off dad I would be denied from any affordable insurance. If I were to get into a car crash and my kidney to be squished, I would be saddled with more half a million for surgery alone, plus hundreds of thousands of dollars in medicine that I would have to take for the REST of my life. And that's only if nothing goes wrong, my dad had a CMV virus which is extremely likely when receiving. If he didn't have insurance it would cost him $3k per REFILL for the medicine hes had to take for a 2 months now. If I don't pay, I die.

Having insurance goes a long way. According to the government I'm in a rich family.

Its not just about my situation though, its EVERY donors situation. Stop thinking I'm just thinking about me, I'm think about every single freaking person who risked their life to help someone.

 

[Keef]

...which until this ruling had absolutely zero limitations.

It always has had limitations, namely a period-specific dictionary outlining original intent and obviously a thoughtful populace to scrutinize congressional decisions.

If this trend is anybody's fault it is the people's fault. Their failure to uphold their end of the bargain is what landed us here. I blame most people, but definitely not myself.

 

[arora]

Way to ignore everything I've said. But go ahead and keep on dodging bullets.

Dodging bullets? Oh, you shot me up real good Please explain...

The only way this can negatively effect someone is if they can afford insurance but don't pay for it.

And why should they have to exactly? I'm a bit dense so please tell me again.

Right now, if I weren't covered by my well off dad I would be denied from any affordable insurance.

I see, so you are insured after all then.

If I were to get into a car crash and my kidney to be squished, I would be saddled with more half a million for surgery alone, plus hundreds of thousands of dollars in medicine that I would have to take for the REST of my life.

And this is different then anyone else how?

And that's only if nothing goes wrong, my dad had a CMV virus which is extremely likely when receiving. If he didn't have insurance it would cost him $3k per REFILL for the medicine hes had to take for a 2 months now. If I don't pay, I die.

OK

Having insurance goes a long way. According to the government I'm in a rich family.

Good for you, so what is the problem again? Oh, you think things are unfair and somehow the gov is going to set things straight right?

 

[dylansan]

I seriously doubt when this bill takes effect your situation will change any in the slightest, you might feel better in thinking the government is sticking it to the rich is about all.

What are you talking about?

Prosthetic's point is about people who could be denied health insurance because of pre-existing conditions. In 2014 that won't happen.

Where did you get anything about "sticking it to the rich"?

 

[Prosthetic]

Dodging bullets? Oh, you shot me up real good Please explain...

Ignoring facts = dodging bullets. You ignored the fact that Insurance companies will no longer be able to deny people with pre-existing conditions. No more loop holes.

And why should they have to exactly? I'm a bit dense so please tell me again.

Because if you can afford there is no reason not to have it. Unless you're an idiot.. Then its an idiot tax.

I see, so you are insured after all then.

Yes, as I mentioned in my very first post.

And this is different then anyone else how?

Most people don't have one kidney like I do. Actually, I'll take this a step further, most people don't have pre-existing conditions thus more likely to have insurance.

OK

You don't see a problem with medicinal monopolies?

Good for you, so what is the problem again? Oh, you think things are unfair and somehow the gov is going to set things straight right?

If you think our current system is working then you live under a rock or just blinded with what others tell you. You act like I just sit on my ass and ask for help. If that's an impression you are getting then you are sorely mistaken.

 

[Dennisch]

Can anyone put this whole debate about Obamacare in a nutshell? I'm lost in the long posts..

 

[dylansan]

 

[arora]

If you think our current system is working then you live under a rock or just blinded with what others tell you.

Nope, no rocks here, I know there are big problems with the system, they are created by the government to begin with 👍

What I'm telling you is big gov is not the solution, read the first post I made about all this and you will clearly see that.

Can anyone put this whole debate about Obamacare in a nutshell? I'm lost in the long posts..

It's basically Obama trying to create a socialist 'fix' to the already government choking of our brilliance and innovation. As I see it, and many others here, we need less government interference, the libs want more to the point of a completely government ran system.

FK would be the best one to ask 👍

 

[Dennisch]

Ah. That was easy.

Almost the same system as here. Except the government pays a little less, max 50% I believe.

 

[Prosthetic]

Ah. That was easy.

Almost the same system as here. Except the government pays a little less, max 50% I believe.

Nice system that has proven its worth huh? Shame people don't realize that.

Microscopic Government seems to work for Somalia!

Food for thought, leaving things to the states won't make anything better.. But it sure as hell will cause a ton of fighting. Who doesn't love a good civil war?

 

[Tornado]

You don't see a problem with medicinal monopolies?

I hope you don't think, with your pithy Somalia comparisons and Civil War nonsense, that this bill actually does anything about this. Other than earmark even more money for said companies by making paying for their services compulsory, that is.

 

[dylansan]

Nope, no rocks here, I know there are big problems with the system, they are created by the government to begin with 👍

What I'm telling you is big gov is not the solution, read the first post I made about all this and you will clearly see that.



It's basically Obama trying to create a socialist 'fix' to the already government choking of our brilliance and innovation. As I see it, and many others here, we need less government interference, the libs want more to the point of a completely government ran system.

FK would be the best one to ask 👍

Do you think it's acceptable that we pay taxes that go to things like police or fire services? Or is that also socialism?

 

[Dennisch]

Nice system that has proven its worth huh? Shame people don't realize that.

Microscopic Government seems to work for Somalia!

Food for thought, leaving things to the states won't make anything better.. But it sure as hell will cause a ton of fighting. Who doesn't love a good civil war?

Yup. Otherwise I would have had a massive debt by now. 2 operations, and non stop medication for 4,5 years now.

 

[dylansan]

I hope you don't think, with your pithy Somalia comparisons and Civil War nonsense, that this bill actually does anything about this. Other than earmark even more money for said companies by making paying for their services compulsory, that is.

Well, there is a tax on insurance companies based on market share. Not that it will do much, but it's something.

Here's a pretty good explanation of all the changes the bill will make, with citations.

 

[Ibonibo]

Do you think it's acceptable that we pay taxes that go to things like police or fire services? Or is that also socialism?

I find car insurance a better exemple, but your right and your comic strip was funny good.

Also what do you want to be gouverned by : a elected gouv. or companies.

Also the insurance companies will not make more money, more income yes but their margin will probably be smaller, yet they will help a lot more people.

If democrates are socialist then republicans are egoists

And I rather have a socialist friend than an egoistic one

 

[arora]

I hope you don't think, with your pithy Somalia comparisons and Civil War nonsense, that this bill actually does anything about this. Other than earmark even more money for said companies by making paying for their services compulsory, that is.

qft

Do you think it's acceptable that we pay taxes that go to things like police or fire services? Or is that also socialism?

Don't be silly, a government by the people for the people is the idea. What we are discussing is something completely different.

 

[dylansan]

Don't be silly, a government by the people for the people is the idea. What we are discussing is something completely different.

How so?

 

[theotherspongey]

False. Neither services nor insurance cost will drop one penny.

Your proof that it won't? Mine = common sense.

 

[arora]

Let me know how that common sense works out for you in a few years, I hope you post again at that time and prove me wrong.

 

[dylansan]

Thank you for answering my question arora...

I'm just trying to figure out how this healthcare system is socialism while taxing individuals for the sake of everyone's safety and security is not.

 

[arora]

Your welcome.

 

[nick09]

Let me know how that common sense works out for you in a few years, I hope you post again at that time and prove me wrong.

How can we believe you if you can't explain your reason in detail and/or post examples. I can't believe I feel like my middle school's English teacher saying that last sentence. Fine, if you don't believe it, then don't use the service of the police, firefighters, hospitals, public phones, roads, street lights, government post offices, bridges, libraries, stoplights, pedestrian lights, any type of work employed by the government, schools, school buses, city buses, trains, and etc...

You take things for granted.

 

[arora]

There is a reason I limit my conversation to a few here on gtp, it's nothing personal but some stimulate thought more so then others.

No, I don't take things for granted, that was a troll comment at best. I realize that you may not know me or my positions on many issues but I assure you I've been around a while and I lay myself out, must be that I'm not compelled by the weak arguments I see atm.

Bash, troll, etc all you wish, I'm sincerely sorry I cannot accommodate all of you, if it makes you feel any better I'll give you an internet win and cookie.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

I see we will be having fun today.

I'm sure you will. However, I stopped reading after this sentence. I might be ignorant as to the finer points of American consitutional law, and I might be willing to learn more about it, but that doesn't give you a licence to be condescending in the way you go present yourself.

So I find it amusingly ironic that your user title says "Don't be a fool" when you've gone and done something as foolish as this. A case of do as I say, not as I do?

 

[nick09]

There is a reason I limit my conversation to a few here on gtp, it's nothing personal but some stimulate thought more so then others.

No, I don't take things for granted, that was a troll comment at best. I realize that you may not know me or my positions on many issues but I assure you I've been around a while and I lay myself out, must be that I'm not compelled by the weak arguments I see atm.

Bash, troll, etc all you wish, I'm sincerely sorry I cannot accommodate all of you, if it makes you feel any better I'll give you an internet win and cookie.

And yet you don't prove your point and respond back to others in a non-professional way. I was not trolling you, that was me in utter disgust of your attitude towards other users.

 

[tlowr4]

I understand we all enjoy a good discussion/debate/hack-each-other-up-with-swords argument (occasionally), and maybe I missed something, but this thread was created in 2009. Why are we still on about it?

 

[nick09]

That's because the bill has gone into effect a few days ago.

 

[arora]

I'm not being disrespectful, I think you need to read the first post I made in this thread.