Didn't read the whole thread before posting the above tunes, just been back and read the thread - wtf?
There's some real rubbish being posted on here, both in terms of music representing the D&B genre and some of the facts about it. Some of these supposed D&B tunes is like posting Take That on a legends of rock thread.
D&B didn't originate from Dub or any other Jamaican music. D&B tunes wre around from the early 90's, a time when electronic music simply exploded out of the rave scene creating genres like Hardcore/jungle, happy hardcore, House, Techno, Trance etc. Some genres were already established, like 'Detroit techno' sounds, but clubs etc in the late 80's early 90's would often play most genres in a single night, by 92/93 each individual genre became more established, as the rave scene (shut down by the Government) evolved into the 'clubbing' scene.
By '93/'94 specific clubs and club nights were now available for most genres, especially the house / trance / techno scene, but even here, it was often you'd hear a cross-over of the best trance and techno tunes being played @ house nights.
Hardcore / Jungle was a bit different, although purists would say (and be right) these two are different, to an outsider they would sound quite similiar (when compared to trance / techno) as again there would be a cross over of tunes from one genre to the other. You'd often here jungle music at raves and a mix on tapes, classic jungle tunes like 2 Bad Mice "Bombscare" were often on rave / hardcore mixes.
By 92/93 there was already a distinction between the two D&B styles - "Intelligent" and "hardstep", Bukem released alot of intelligent D&B mixes, one of the best being "Marsin out". Around this time, darker D&B tunes were being made, classics include Terminantor, Champion Sound and Valley of the Shadows (31 seconds) etc - quite often 31 seconds being dropped at places / in sets not specfific to D&B.
Intelligent: more instrumental sounds, atmospheric, "nice" sounds i.e jazz sounds
Hardstep: dark, filthy bass lines and sounds
D&B didn't even really become "big" until after the hardcore / jungle scene started to die down a bit (and the clubbing scene had change forever), but for many years before, there were alot of D&B tunes being made.
There was usually a distinction between the house / trance / techno people and the hardcore / jungle people. D&B and breakbeat, would have been associated with the hardcore / jungle side of the music scene then.
It's very similiar to the house scene - what some might call progressive house, others might call 'trance'
By '97 the clubbing scene had started to take a turn for the worse, "trance" became fashionable and this killed the clubbing scene for house / trance - a big player in that scene. Althought the police raids in many clubs didn't help, it was when the big corporations flooded the charts with commercial trance that was the final nail in the coffin.
All the laga louts, pre-madonnas and head nodders who didn't get involved in the rave or early clubbing scene, decided it was now "cool" and migrated from the meat market (chart music ) clubs to the undergound clubs. That's when the fights started, the atmosphere and unity stopped and alot of those who were there from the late 80's and 90's walked away.
The underground clubs had to cater for the laga louts, and that was the end of that. This (mid / late 90's) is when D&B became alot more popular and finally started to overtake hardcore / jungle genres, possibly reaching it's peak around the late 90's, 2000-ish.
Am I a D&B fanboy - no I was listening to Fleetwood Mac whilst writing this. But, yes, I love Bukem and enjoy both sides of D&B. Just as much as I enjoy house / trance / techno and clssic rock to, or even the more popular operatic numbers.
My favourite album is Pearl Jam's 10, but will always have a special place in my heart for the rave / clubbing scene of 88-95 - that was truely special.
I hate the indie music 'style', but that doesn't stop me from listening to the few 'indie' tunes that I do think are very good. Hating a genre doesn't mean you have to hate every tune from that genre.
All of this rubbish about D&B not being musical blah blah blah - OK then, you try and compose some of these basslines then....would love to see that.
Is indie music musical - doesn't sound it half the time, sounds / looks more like a bunch of homeless people jamming with instruments for the first time. But so what - that's "that" scene, you like it or you don't.
Doesn't mean to say it isn't music or it's any better or worse than any other style.