DTM Season 2**See 1st Post For Details**

[SymP]

Great work JT! Good to see you have found your way into the files. So i'm released from my duties now i guess

But it was a great race! Had a good battle with Goruk for a long period and, as always, then I screw up Goruk knows that by now so he'll just have to wait. Although I think the game punished me very hard with a lot of damage while bumping the wall very lightly. Guess those BMWs are made of glass.
Wonder what those Astra's are going to do now they are getting heavier. Maybe the season is too short to even out all cars for that ultimate race we're everybody battles for 1st place.

I don't recall exactly how the formation lap went in the other races but I can't rule out that this has not happened before. To be honest, i did not give that much attention to the formation lap when viewing the replays for the results. What I know for sure is that the two lanes grid never has been formed.

But it's a good thing to give time penalties for this. Actually, I think we need more predefined penalties for rule breaking. This way it's easier to delegate the host/race steward tasks and not have arguments afterwards.

The following rule breaking have been taken place this season (mostly by accident):
- Changing tyres outside the pit window
- Changing to mixed tyres front/rear
- Entering the track after crash without waiting for passing traffic
- Starting the race by pole position car way before start line
- maybe more?

The following need to be described in the rules:
- when can a race be restarted?
We have restarted races when there was damaged because people forgot there was a formation lap, or people got disconnected during that lap.
- Special Stage specific rules
For example, how many races have to be completed to earn points

These are some things I can think of that probably need to be covered in the rules for DTM3. Since I'm finished for this season I'm already thinking ahead for the next season

If we start in august, I'm in!

 

[Green]

Yeah symp was great race efj took full advantage of all the damage you, goruk and death got near the start.

The thing that bugs me in the formation lap is all the bloody braking i know people are trying to warm there tires up but there were so many times i nearly went into the back of someone because someone at front brakes and causes ripple effect.

Don't think weight will be much of an issue next race i'll be extremly happy if I make it through that race without any damage. Its gona be tough its hard enough going round that track yourself without getting damage, the people who drive the cleanest will do the best i think.

Yeah I've had alot of fun in DTM2 and really hope there's a DTM3, would be good to see a few extra tracks in DTM3 but apart from that DTM2 has been awsome

 

[EFJ]

We have some issues to solve. 👍

 

[GTP_J_Turner]

I actually started thinking about DTM3 last night too.
All the points you make symp are valid and must be looked at.

Here are some quick thoughts on the penalties:
- Changing tyres outside the pit window
Time penalty depending on pitstop time. No less than 30 seconds and no more than 1 minute. Also depends on number of laps before the pit window the tyres were changed. The lap before the PW will incur the least amount of time as this could be seen as a misunderstanding. Any more than 1 lap and the full amount is likely to be given as penalty.

- Changing to mixed tyres front/rear
If it is (for eg.) H/H to H/M when is was supposed to be M/M then - No penalty as it was clearly a mistake which the driver will not benifit from (as has happened in the past)
If it is S/S to S/M or H/S (or similar config.) then the driver must pit again to rectify the fault the next lap. If they fail to do so then - Time penalty depending on pitstop time (min 30sec, max 1 min)

- Entering the track after crash without waiting for passing traffic
Depends on circumstance really. If it causes another car damage then there may be reason for DQF. Need some help with a direction to go with that one.

- Starting the race by pole position car way before start line
There are clear guidelines in the rules on how to start the race after a pace lap. You must give the whole field a chance to get round the last corner before the race can start. Last race i was so far behind at the start i had no chance of staying with the pack, ecspecially at Le Sarthe. My plan was to be on hards and use draft to stay with the pack. That went out the window when i turned the last corner and there was no one there.
As for a penalty - Time penalty, 2 x (multiplied by) the time difference between 1st and last cars formation lap time. For the pole car only as they are the pace car after last corner.
50 MPH (80 KPH) is a good speed to allow the grid to form. It doesnt have to be a perfect grid, just something. Pole car decides when to put the foot down but it must be somewhere near the start line (ie. you can see it)
Further input welcome.

- when can a race be restarted?
1.When someone disconnects during the formation lap (or during the race load).
2.When someone gets heavy damage due to lag or crash with other driver. (in formation lap only)
3.If someone flies off thinking the race has started and forgot the formation lap then someone can say in the chat box for then to stop. No need for a restart unless the driver doesn't stop and completes a lap.
4.When someone joins at the last minute who is not part of DTM. If they can be asked to leave during the formation lap and do then no need for restart.
5.If there is major lag problems. We always have lag (its DTM tradition) but if someone is jumping all over the place causing chaos then restart. (in formation lap only)

- Special Stage specific rules
Overall points are divided by number of incomplete races. So if a driver scores 10 points from 4 (or 5) races out of 5 then they get full points. 3/5 then they get 5 pts. 2/5 = 3pts (3.33 rounded down). 1/5 = 2pts (2.5 rounded down).
It was suggested that the 75% rule should come into effect but i would like to see drivers rewarded even if they race 1 or 2 SS races. 75% would mean if you got disconnected after 3 races you would not get any points. But i think the debate is still open. Godoias recieved full SS points for DTM2 as this rule was not in force at that time.

-DTM3 Tracks
I'll put up a poll again in the DTM3 forum which i might get up and running this week. There will be 5 track spaces available to Original or City circuits. No real tracks (as DTM2 was) will be included in the poll. Nurburgring GP/D will take the place of GP/F as the last race since this it the DTM's spiritual home and i think the series should end in Germany.
Special Stage tracks will (hopefully) be 5 x Custom tracks of 10 laps. So there will be a thread started in the group for showing your custom tracks so we can pick 5 to share and use. If that doesnt work then it will be 5 real world tracks that we didn't use in DTM2.

Hope you follow all that.

EFJ - I'm certainly not saying you are at any fault for the start as it may have been the way the other races has started and you didnt know any different. That was reflected in the no penalty. We managed to do quite good grids during DTM1 so im sure we can do it again.

JT

 

[Goruk]

Here are some quick thoughts on the penalties:
- Changing tyres outside the pit window
Time penalty depending on pitstop time. No less than 30 seconds and no more than 1 minute. Also depends on number of laps before the pit window the tyres were changed. The lap before the PW will incur the least amount of time as this could be seen as a misunderstanding. Any more than 1 lap and the full amount is likely to be given as penalty.👍

- Changing to mixed tyres front/rear
If it is (for eg.) H/H to H/M when is was supposed to be M/M then - No penalty as it was clearly a mistake which the driver will not benifit from (as has happened in the past)
If it is S/S to S/M or H/S (or similar config.) then the driver must pit again to rectify the fault the next lap. If they fail to do so then - Time penalty depending on pitstop time (min 30sec, max 1 min)👍

- Entering the track after crash without waiting for passing traffic
Depends on circumstance really. If it causes another car damage then there may be reason for DQF. Need some help with a direction to go with that one.👍

Regarding DTM3, i think it could be a little longer than DTM2, I know i was the one that suggest the 6 races format, but now that we are running it, it's to short, i was thinking about 9; or 11 races, we could do something like:
4-SS-4; 3-SS-3-SS-3.

What you guys think?

 

[EFJ]

i Agreed with you JT! That is the think to do. We need make all the adjusts to make this series better!

 

[GTP_J_Turner]

I dont know. I quite like the 3-ss-3 because no one can run away with the championship and it keeps everyones interest. Everyone starts at 0pts after 7 rounds. Worth talking about though.

 

[nethereal]

Let me know if you guys need another steward/host
I can also record direct feed hd video from the ps3
i have quite a good internet connection , so can host decent rooms
Willing to forego any payment for stewarding with maybe an inclusion in the next season? i read that the level of competition in this series is very decent


cheers!

 

[nethereal]

Let me know if you guys need another steward/host
I can also record direct feed hd video from the ps3
i have quite a good internet connection , so can host decent rooms
Willing to forego any payment for stewarding with maybe an inclusion in the next season? i read that the level of competition in this series is very decent


cheers!

forgot to mention: with my current setup, i believe it may be possible to stream live - but in order to do that, i couldnt be host as most if not all of my upstream bandwidth would be devoted to streaming

 

[SymP]

Would be super cool to have a live stream of our races. Don't know if we'll have any viewers but I like the idea! 👍 Another step to make this series more professional. What's next? An official championship sponser?

 

[Goruk]

Would be super cool to have a live stream of our races. Don't know if we'll have any viewers but I like the idea! 👍 Another step to make this series more professional. What's next? An official championship sponser?

Now, that would be cool, Fanatec's and Playseats for everybody...

 

[EFJ]

That is super nice! Live streaming!

 

[GTP_J_Turner]

Thanks for the host/steward offer nethereal. If you could do it for the last 2 races of this series then that would be great. I'm sure there would be a place available for you in DTM3.
I dont know if live streaming would be such a good idea with the connection/lag problems we have already but, if the stream could be turned into a video so that it can be cut into a 10 minute highlights video, then i would be all for that. Video's of the races is something that would really help the series.
As for sponsorship, i have considered emailing the real 'DTM' to see if we can get something free as a prize, even if it is a t-shirt or something. Might start looking at it if we start getting full grids every race. If we dont ask then we wont get. Nothing to lose i suppose.

 

[GTP_J_Turner]

Weight penalty for this race:

Goruk: 1150kg
DEATHBYROTOR: 1140kg
SymP:1130kg
EFJ1: 1130kg
Greennarcotics: 1120kg

Note: This race is 50 laps and could last about 1 1/2 hours.

 

[GTP_J_Turner]

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[LSDWolf]

I should be able to admin the last 2 races.
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And a pace car in the shape of LSDBlackWolf. Many thanks to him for that, hopefully see him on the forum so he can get a place in DTM3. Good quality shown at the post race practice @ Monaco. 👍
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Hey fellas!

Thanks for the thumbs up!

Was a fun race to watch, good fight up in front while it lasted, EFJ1 looked like a rocket! Good job!
Symp and Goruk also performed really well until symp messed it all up at the middle some good effort by Greenarcotics and deathbyrotor to get in front. Unfortunately the last 2 portuguese ended up not so good as expected but hey, thats racing! JT also good performance, you'll get them next round! 👍

As for me, unfortunately im still working in shifts so, since 2006 I kinda retired of sim racing...but next month it will all end and ill start working only from monday to friday xD and maybe Ill be able to join you!

cheers & cya on the tracks!

 

[Goruk]

Weight penalty for this race:

Goruk: 1150kg
DEATHBYROTOR: 1140kg
SymP:1130kg
EFJ1: 1130kg
Greennarcotics: 1120kg

Note: This race is 50 laps and could last about 1 1/2 hours.

Why is my car always the heaviest
Are you masochist JT? 50 laps on Cote D'Azur with full damage!!!! You can forget the two pit windows, we will need 5....

As for me, unfortunately im still working in shifts so, since 2006 I kinda retired of sim racing...but next month it will all end and ill start working only from monday to friday xD and maybe Ill be able to join you!

cheers & cya on the tracks!

Hi Wolf, nice to see you around here:tup: thanks for the pace car job last Saturday.
Really hope you can join us next season, I can ensure you it will be the best fair clean racing you ever had.
And we always welcome fast clean drivers:tup:

 

[EFJ]

Man this will be hard! Someone have laptimes to share?

 

[GTP_J_Turner]

It was 50 lap because the races are setup for 170km or about 105 miles as in the real DTM. Forgot how long it took to do a lap at Monaco so it is going to be a long one.

My best on Softs is 1:31.1xx. Think Goruk was doing 1.30s though...

During race i'll be looking to do 1.35s and just keep it clean. Last series i only hit a barrier 2 times and didnt have to pit because of damage. I'll be looking for the same result again.

Just remember to give everyone room if they are much faster than you. And you must be sure you can pass cleanly if you want to overtake. Pick 1 part of the track to pass and use the rest to 'setup' the pass. I would say up the hill or tunnel is the best place to get a clean pass. Dont even think about the chicane or hairpin unless they make a mistake. Even then watch out for them, not seeing you come through, turning into you and forcing you both to pit.

Monaco is a challenge. Get it wrong and its frustrating. Get it right and it is the most rewarding feeling in racing!

 

[EFJ]

I have a friend, in DTM regs he can make 1:28:xxx in monaco, truly he is a beast! I cant do that!

 

[GTP_J_Turner]

There are a lot of slow corners where i can gain time on. Puting them all together in 1 lap is the hard part.

1 time i was more than 0.500 faster in the 1st sector than i had ever done before (dont know how?). Still finished with a slower lap by 0.2xx seconds (dont know where?)

Edit: DTM3 forum is up by the way.

 

[Green]

I'm 131.1 aswell can't get my bloody astra to go any faster , hopefully a bit more practise will do the trick and some fine tuning.

 

[GTP_J_Turner]

Just did a 1.30.999! Happy with that. Pity my hard tyre times are 1.36s...

 

[Green]

lol nice one m8, I've yet to try hards because i've spent so long trying to get a 130 on softs

 

[Goruk]

After some practice, I've get 1'34.5xx on hards, didn't test mediums yet.
My major problem is keeping the car of the walls...

 

[Goruk]

So, who's gonna host tonight?

 

[GTP_J_Turner]

Who is racing tonight? I will be on at about 21:15 BST and setup a room. Then we will see who turns up and decide on a race host then. Unless someone thinks their connection is up to it and says so in this thread.

 

[Goruk]

I'm on-line right now with green, his connection seems pretty good...

 

[SymP]

Hope you guys have a good race tonight! I just arrived at my destination after a 10 hour endurance race. Seems I have a pretty good internet connection here so now I wish I took my ps3 with me. Girlfriend would have been less enthusiastic though

Anyway, hope to see some video footage of the race! And maybe you should have a special award tonight for the guy whith the least amount of pit stops

 

[Green]

I think thats the last time I host any races, with only 4 drivers still in room at end it didnt go well . It should have been a much better race don't know what happened to the connection but after goruk disapeared and race restarted 3 more people got disconnected. (PS sorry goruk we waited for ages)

Nice to hear from you symp hope you have a good time on holiday i don't think you want to see me, jt and efj drive round monaco 50 times not really the exciting race i was expecting. 3 pit stops slight damage says it all (BORING).

I really hope GP/F will be a good race to finish the season (we need to find better host )