Eminem: As bad as 50 cent

[Danoff]

Not quite danoff. I said a black man will either be dead or be in jail by the time theyre 21.

Nearly half of the black men in america are incarcerated.

OH MY GOD!!! Young give it up.

Number of Black People in America: ~35 million.
Roughly half would be men (we'll round down for death): ~15 million.
Number of Black Men in Prison: 551,000 (2004)
Number of Black Men UNDER 25 in prison: 100,000

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/p04.pdf
http://www.census.gov/Press-Release...cts_for_features_special_editions/000782.html

So let's see that's 3.6% total of Black men being in prison.

Holy crap. I can't believe we're even discussing this. Look, it's absolutely INSANE to claim that the "odds were against him".

 

[Danoff]

Wasn't it you that said caveman?...

I can’t imagine anywhere in the US where more babies die than survive to 21 years of age. The infant mortality rate would have to be staggering. I wonder what periods in the entire history of mankind include areas where one has a greater chance of death than to survive to 21 years old. Perhaps in caveman time or during extreme periods of war or pestilence.

You have a brain. It wants to be used.

 

[VIPFREAK]

 

[Young_Warrior]

Those figures are flawed. over 50% of black men end up in jail or are dead by the time theyre 21.

Your figures dont allow for kids, there are more black females than males, the figures says by the time thrye 21 so they can be put in jail when theyre 16 and come out at 18 but they would still be counted in the statistic.

 

[askia47]

Black man posting, and I’m not in jail yet! 50 cent is not a Genius; his songs bore me after I hear them 50 times on the radio seriously. Rap/Hip hop has some negatives and I personally don’t listen to it a lot, but I think it still think that some of these artists have some skill in making these lyrics. While some are just garbage others are actually quite clever. Rap/Hip hop deserves some bashing but I think some of this bashing is a little to extreme.

And if anyone was a genius in the rap-hip/hop world, why not nominate Biggie or Tupac. They have stronger cases than 50 Cent.

 

[Danoff]

Those figures are flawed. over 50% of black men end up in jail or are dead by the time theyre 21.

Your figures dont allow for kids, there are more black females than males, the figures says by the time thrye 21 so they can be put in jail when theyre 16 and come out at 18 but they would still be counted in the statistic.

Ok here's you.

The odds from when he was born where stacked againt the man to reach the age of 21 let alone one of the most powerful men in music today.

Don't change your FRIGGIN STORY!!!

I'm not going to dig up new numbers to disprove every new claim you make - though I'm certain I could defeat this new one. Just admit it, you were wrong... let's move on.

 

[askia47]

Those figures are flawed. over 50% of black men end up in jail or are dead by the time theyre 21.

Your figures dont allow for kids, there are more black females than males, the figures says by the time thrye 21 so they can be put in jail when theyre 16 and come out at 18 but they would still be counted in the statistic.

Thats WAY too high, not all of us are criminals. Where do you get these numbers?

 

[Young_Warrior]

You didnt quote as to why I said the odds were stacked up against him

 

[Duke]

Nearly half of the black men in america are incarcerated.

That quote you showed does not follow logically at all; it contradicts itself, or at least makes an erroneous assumption. It says that 48% of all male prison inmates are black. It then comes to the conclusion that this means that half of the black male population of America is in jail, which is totally detached from the information given, and not supported in any way.

Those figures are flawed. over 50% of black men end up in jail or are dead by the time theyre 21.

Your figures dont allow for kids, there are more black females than males, the figures says by the time thrye 21 so they can be put in jail when theyre 16 and come out at 18 but they would still be counted in the statistic.

You truly, deeply, and spectacularly have no freakin' clue about the things you write.

 

[VIPFREAK]

Someone watching a little too much Cops?

 

[askia47]

That quote you showed does not follow logically at all; it contradicts itself, or at least makes an erroneous assumption. It says that 48% of all male prison inmates are black. It then comes to the conclusion that this means that half of the black male population of America is in jail, which is totally detached from the information given, and not supported in any way.

You truly, deeply, and spectacularly have no freakin' clue about the things you write.

Agreed, Duke. 👍

 

[Young_Warrior]

Thats WAY too high, not all of us are criminals. Where do you get these numbers?

I first heard it being mentioned by some kind of professor. But the figures I have used here today I have gotten from 3 different sites off google just using the search terms "black mans life expectancy" and then I did that search again and added in the keyword guns to it.

http://www.msuspokesman.com/media/p...l?norewrite&sourcedomain=www.msuspokesman.com

http://www-unix.oit.umass.edu/~kastor/walking-steel-95/ws-black-health.html

http://www.paulsjusticepage.com/reality-of-justice/blackgenocide.htm

 

[Young_Warrior]

That quote you showed does not follow logically at all; it contradicts itself, or at least makes an erroneous assumption. It says that 48% of all male prison inmates are black. It then comes to the conclusion that this means that half of the black male population of America is in jail, which is totally detached from the information given, and not supported in any way.

You truly, deeply, and spectacularly have no freakin' clue about the things you write.

Actually you are right.

The figures I gave seems to only apply to those living in South Central Los Angelous.

 

[Danoff]

I first heard it being mentioned by some kind of professor. But the figures I have used here today I have gotten from 3 different sites off google just using the search terms "black mans life expectancy" and then I did that search again and added in the keyword guns to it.

http://www.msuspokesman.com/media/p...l?norewrite&sourcedomain=www.msuspokesman.com

http://www-unix.oit.umass.edu/~kastor/walking-steel-95/ws-black-health.html

http://www.paulsjusticepage.com/reality-of-justice/blackgenocide.htm

^^^ None of those sources support your claims.

 

[Young_Warrior]

Theyre not laid out for you on a plate you need to look them out and analyse them.

Anyway Thats all from me tonihjt folks im off to bed.

 

[Omnis]

Actually you are right.

The figures I gave seems to only apply to those living in South Central Los Angelous.

The world of South Central Los Angelous is so bad, it doesn't exist?

 

[Danoff]

Theyre not laid out for you on a plate you need to look them out and analyse them.

incorrectly analyze them I suppose... to be able to claim what you do.

 

[Zrow]

Hey Young_Warrior, where do you live?

 

[DeLoreanBrown]

If 50c is the epitome of HipHop genius then i want my money back , try a little KRS-ONE w/ure action Y_W

 

[MrktMkr1986]

Just gonna wait abit longer and see if MrktMkr appears and then I'll drop down a fresh debate.

Why is my presence needed in order to "drop down a fresh debate"?

 

[Famine]

Those figures are flawed. over 50% of black men end up in jail or are dead by the time theyre 21.

Let's logically analyse this, shall we?

danoff posts evidence that says 3.6% of black males are in gaol full stop.

You claim that "over 50% of black men end up in jail or are dead by the time theyre 21" (sic). So we need to extract from that 3.6% the percentage who are aged 12-21 (at 12 you can be placed in a young offenders' institute, so to be kind we're including all of them in the gaol population). We're looking at around 25% of the population being this age, and, given the nature of imprisonable offences, this would probably rise some amongst the prison population - let's say 40% as an arbitrarily generous figure.

So 1.4% of all black males before the age of 21 go into prison.

Now again being generous, you need to make up to the 50.1% of all black males under 21 who "end up in jail or dead" (sic) to qualify as "most". If only 1.2% of all black males end up in gaol by the time they are 21 then, to make your statement true, 48.9% of black males must die before they are 21.


Do you understand what this means? For every 100 black male kids born in 1984, 1 of them is in prison, 49 of them have died and just 50 have survived to this point in time, in order for your statement to be true.

Are you actually saying this, or will you now freely admit that you just made up some kick-ass sounding figure in your head and it's plainly testes - and apologise to danoff for implying that, with his degree-level training in statistical analysis, you know better than him how some phoney figures should be interpreted?

 

[Plague.Ghost]

Jay Z and Sean Diddy Combs command alot more respect than eminem. What I can tell by this post is that you probably owned a eminem CD to see that what he talks about is not all bad but you have failded to do so with another big rapper making your argument and perspective pretty much flawed and one sided.

All the minnows of rap flaunt their money. The ones that arent top dogs. However all the big players in the scene like Jay Z dont do that. It is now uncool to flaunt your money and material things.

As for the instrument part thats a weak argument. I cant play a instrument but I could pretty much compose a song if I had the resources and just hire people to play it. However with rockers they sing. Yet they havent got a good voice at all. Some times rough harsh and croaky. This isnt talent is it. And their lyrics dont rhyme or are amusing, and it doesnt carry a certain flow to teh way they sing which rappers do.Basically anyone could sing the lyrics of a famous rock band and get a similiar effect as the original singer would have.

You're not good at reading between the lines or analyzing lyrical scripture aside from the bare meaning of a single word, are you?

I have a multitude of rap CD's, not only from Eminem, but also from Dr. Dre, Wyclef Jean, 50 Cent, even the Beastie Boys.

You see, I have this unique talent to look at things objectively, yet still apreciate what something is worth even if it's less than something else. This has proved invaluable when comparing technical statistics and blatant facts from one thing to another you simply don't have that ability (as far as I've seen you demonstrate, that is).

Plus your people skills could use some work.


p.s.- Half the time rappers don't make lyrics that flow smoothly so they make words up or slur them. Gizzle fizzle bizzle mah nizzle? Fo' shizzle.

 

[Plague.Ghost]

^^^ None of those sources support your claims.

I clicked on the first link I saw, and the sources on that website are all 10 years old, or older. Which, as we all know, accurately depicts the riot and crime-driven state that L.A. is currently in.

 

[Jimmy Enslashay]

Young_Warrior. You have made outrageous claims for the entire duration of this thread. You have NO factual backing for any of the claims you have provided, and it seems you have no idea anymore what you are on about, which is evident by your "statistical analysis" of the entire Black population of America.

Half of the entire Black community of America is not in prison. Yes, 48% of prison inmates may be Black, but that does NOT prove that half of the entire Black population of America is in prison. It has been proven by danoff, statistically, that 3.6% of the Black population are incarcerated, quit trying to disprove this.

To summarise this entire thread, let's see exactly what you've proved:

• 50 Cent is a genius? No. You've even successfully made him more loathed than he already is, and turned some people off his music.
• Made a solid case for Rap and Hip-Hop? No. You've actually made this argument less credible by stating that it is harder to perform and write lyrics to Rap and Hip-Hop than it is to any music using guitars, drums and bass.
• Proved yourself to be incompetent, inconsiderate, egotistical and a know-it-all that really doesn't know what he's on about, and has no ability to back any statement he makes? Congratulations, you've succeeded.

Give up, and move on. Now. You're making things much worse.

 

[DJ-CiviC]

IMO, 50 Cent is the rapper that I disrespect the most, he has no talent whatsoever, he's a wannabe and a liar... SHOT HIM DOWN !

 

[Plague.Ghost]

Yes, 48% of prison inmates may be Black

Oh. My. God.

You know what that means?!


52% of inmates are WHITE! That's like more than half the country!!!!1 OMFG I don't have much time left before I die and get arrested and get out at 21!!

 

[blargonator]

With your 2nd comment you're generalizing again. Some beats are definitely easy to make, if you look at **** like for example that neptunes beat with the tongue clacking. That's garbage, I don't even listen to that. If you'd listen to producers like Pete Rock, El-P, Stoupe, RJD2, Dj Shadow, Dan the Automator, Necro, Perquisite, Nicolay, etc. etc. you would hear that it involves more than just banging on pots and pans. For example Perquisite is a dutch hiphop producer who composes all his beats himself, finished an education on classical music and plays a lot of instruments as well. Necro also includes a lot of his own basslines, played on a fender bass guitar as well, and also guitar riffs. And for example RJD2, El-P and Stoupe do everything with samples, but that is definitely more complex than the stuff you're thinking of.

yeah, i really like most of the stuff that carries the definitive jux name 👍
in case you don't know...... www.definitivejux.net you can listen to 30 second clips or something.

way off topic, but did you ever hear the silver album? RJD2 used some of his music and it has the plain audio off a Jay Z album, it sounds great

 

[donbenni]

Let's logically analyse this, shall we?

danoff posts evidence that says 3.6% of black males are in gaol full stop.

You claim that "over 50% of black men end up in jail or are dead by the time theyre 21" (sic). So we need to extract from that 3.6% the percentage who are aged 12-21 (at 12 you can be placed in a young offenders' institute, so to be kind we're including all of them in the gaol population). We're looking at around 25% of the population being this age, and, given the nature of imprisonable offences, this would probably rise some amongst the prison population - let's say 40% as an arbitrarily generous figure.

So 1.4% of all black males before the age of 21 go into prison.

Now again being generous, you need to make up to the 50.1% of all black males under 21 who "end up in jail or dead" (sic) to qualify as "most". If only 1.2% of all black males end up in gaol by the time they are 21 then, to make your statement true, 48.9% of black males must die before they are 21.


Do you understand what this means? For every 100 black male kids born in 1984, 1 of them is in prison, 49 of them have died and just 50 have survived to this point in time, in order for your statement to be true.

Are you actually saying this, or will you now freely admit that you just made up some kick-ass sounding figure in your head and it's plainly testes - and apologise to danoff for implying that, with his degree-level training in statistical analysis, you know better than him how some phoney figures should be interpreted?

I expect no less, well held. Apparently, over half of your comments are statistically correct.

 

[smellysocks12]

yeah, i really like most of the stuff that carries the definitive jux name 👍
in case you don't know...... www.definitivejux.net you can listen to 30 second clips or something.

way off topic, but did you ever hear the silver album? RJD2 used some of his music and it has the plain audio off a Jay Z album, it sounds great

At first I didn't like Def Jux that much, never been much of a company flow / el-p fan myself, but lately it has been getting better to me. Especially Cage's latest album and the Perceptionists album blew me away. Definitely top 5 best albums of the year to me. Oh yeah, and while you're at it, go listen to Reef the Lost Cause's album, Feast or Famine, it is amazing.

I'm more an Uncle Howie / Psycho Logical records fan myself. Necro, Non Phixion, Ill Bill, Goretex, Sabac, Q-Unique (and the Arsonists for that matter).

Sorry that I'm hijacking the thread, but since the conversation became a retarded statistical knowledge battle anyway this probably doesn't matter.

 

[VIPFREAK]

Why is my presence needed in order to "drop down a fresh debate"?

Because you like Lincoln's? 💡 speaking of which the Zepher is Butt fugly ugly.