FM7 vs. PCars 2 vs. GT:Sport

[HBR-Roadhog]

I do think it was a good idea to tie some cars into the career mode and make it more difficult to get credits. I completed the career mode in Forza 2 but 3-6 I did not even bother. IMO most of the races were boring, in many cases it took longer to get from one race to the next than it took to actually run the race and especially early on it was much more rewarding to race in private race or multiplayer lobby than to bother with career mode.

In this one if you want some of the cars then you need to go into career mode and run some races to get them and if you like you can set the races up to be a good bit longer and you no longer have to listen to the guided tour or whatever it was in some of the previous versions.

 

[ImaRobot]

I do think it was a good idea to tie some cars into the career mode and make it more difficult to get credits. I completed the career mode in Forza 2 but 3-6 I did not even bother. IMO most of the races were boring, in many cases it took longer to get from one race to the next than it took to actually run the race and especially early on it was much more rewarding to race in private race or multiplayer lobby than to bother with career mode.

In this one if you want some of the cars then you need to go into career mode and run some races to get them and if you like you can set the races up to be a good bit longer and you no longer have to listen to the guided tour or whatever it was in some of the previous versions.

I really do like that we can adjust the amount of laps now, but half way through the "long" selection and the Ai is already trailing by half the track. I wish they'd improve the Ai a bit, as unbeatable is fairly easy with extended time.

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

I really do like that we can adjust the amount of laps now, but half way through the "long" selection and the Ai is already trailing by half the track. I wish they'd improve the Ai a bit, as unbeatable is fairly easy with extended time.

I am not sure in 7 yet but in 6 it really depended on the track. The Indy Oval for example could be really difficult under the right conditions. I remember one race in I think it was S class where I was driving the top car for the track. The AI was driving a stock PI R390GT and I never managed to catch it. AT the end of the race I saw that the fastest lap turned by that AI car was faster than the #1 time on the leaderboard and it actually lapped the AI which was driving the top leaderboard car. I thought I need to get me one of those. So anyway I buy one drive it on the track and it was slow, tweaked it and tuned it for all it was worth and it was not even close to competitive. Somehow the AI was hitting top speeds that the car could not reach and going through corners at speeds that would put it into the wall every time. So either the AI was using some strong power and grip mods or the game was just boosting the AI to beyond the fastest possible time making it truly unbeatable in that case.

I have noticed in 7 that on shorter races you can catch the AI sooner than on longer races and in at least some cases they tend to slow down near the end of the race. I have won a few races now where the AI was pulling away on laps 1 and 2 then on the last 2 laps I would catch up and maybe even over take for the win then when looking at lap times the AI was clearly in a faster car than I was so I never should have caught it at all.

 

[CopperySinger]

It's not really going to be a Forza killer though, it has a completely different aim than Forza and is more akin to Pcars2. Forza is basically sitting in its own category right now. Forza is the most Gran Turismo like game since the old GT's, and it has a good spot in the industry right now.[/QUOTE]

Imarobot

From the looks of this visual demo from GT sport, I think it is going to say more than hello to forza 7. While forza likes to keep things down to earth, GT sport looks prepared to take us all the way to the Bootes constellation.

The game is said to save all progress online, therefore it closes all opportunities for glitch exploiters and I hear they will not be teasing us with micro-transactions. Beautiful vistas I can't wait to play.

 

[ImaRobot]

From the looks of this visual demo from GT sport, I think it is going to say more than hello to forza 7. While forza likes to keep things down to earth, GT sport looks prepared to take us all the way to the Bootes constellation

They really aren't even in the same category anymore. GTS is more akin to Pcars2 now where as Forza is s the only car collecting game. Both games look prepared, to be honest, I don't see how one looks less so.

The game is said to save all progress online, therefore it closes all opportunities for glitch exploiters and I hear they will not be teasing us with micro-transactions. Beautiful vistas I can't wait to play.

Just because it's saved to online doesn't mean it's going to stop glitches and cheaters don't seem to affect these g games. I don't think Forza has ever had a cheating issue, aside from the Pc, but those are banned extremely fast. Making everything locked to online sounds absolutely horrible.

 

[CopperySinger]

They really aren't even in the same category anymore. GTS is more akin to Pcars2 now where as Forza is s the only car collecting game. Both games look prepared, to be honest, I don't see how one looks less so.


Just because it's saved to online doesn't mean it's going to stop glitches and cheaters don't seem to affect these g games. I don't think Forza has ever had a cheating issue, aside from the Pc, but those are banned extremely fast. Making everything locked to online sounds absolutely horrible.

Forza 7 currently is heard to a credit glitch people are exploiting in the single player mode; similar happend in gt6. Although not on the same console, forza has been gran turismo biggest rival for years since the birth of forza. You seem like a heavy forza fan and it seems you should know this. In the same way of console wars, these two staple games always come out to offer alternatives for the consumers. I think you are having a disconnect because of the term direct competition. In order to compete, these games don't have to be directly competing with each other with the exact same ideas. But undeniably a certain level of similarity do exist. Remember, forza 7 is now also available on windows10 while GT sport is ps only. Forza may get a boost in sales from this, I hope. But polyphony D only needs to satisfy its base console. I'm sorry a little off topic but forza 6 was a powerhouse and that was what GT sport was supposed to compete with imo, but odd timing for release. So the delay has given them some time to polish GT sport even more.

 

[ImaRobot]

Forza 7 currently is heard to a credit glitch people are exploiting in the single player mode; similar happend in gt6

And the relevance is what?

Although not on the same console, forza has been gran turismo biggest rival for years since the birth of forza. You seem like a heavy forza fan and it seems you should know this.

Yes, and before they were extremely similar. GTS left the table and started to be more similar to Pcars2 this time around, not only in structure, but focus on eSports and online focus. Forza is now the only car collecting game, it's in a sub-genre of its own. The only thing they have in common now is that you race a car around a track. I'm a fan of games in general, but as gt fan you should take how comparable they were before, and how different they are now.

 

[CopperySinger]

And the relevance is what?


Yes, and before they were extremely similar. GTS left the table and send top be more similar to Pcars2 this time around, not only in structure, but focus on eSports and online focus. Forza is now the only car collecting game, it's in a sun-genre of its own. The only thing they have in common now is that you race a car around a track. I'm a fan of games in general, but as gt fan you should take how comparable they were before, and how different they are now.

Relevance? Well I let you decide. Do you want to play with exploiters and cheaters using glitch for credits? Just in, forza is now starting to ban some users in forza 7 who have been caught using the "trainer" cheat. I think it stems from the Windows pc side, I just hope they are able to catch all of them; because we don't want cheaters names sitting at the top of the leaderboards. I'm glad GT sport is only on the PlayStation console for that reason.



you keep responding about direct focus of each game, I think you are missing the point. Wendy's don't have to sell Big Macs in order to compete with McDonald's... Likewise with forza and GT. I hear mc Donald's is now serving veggie burgers on the menus so according to your philosophy, that makes them no longer competitive to Wendy's?!? As long as forza and GT remains a simcade there will always be competition.

You collect cars and play online in both games just because one my have more focus on either of the two it doesn't throw them out of competition.

 

[ImaRobot]

Relevance? Well I let you decide. Do you want to play with exploiters and cheaters using glitch for credits

Cheaters I wouldn't want to play with, but the good thing is that they're is absolutely no cheaters. Credit glitches are something else and then doing that had no bearing on my whatsoever, because credits don't make you a better racer. So again, what's the relevance with some cheating, like making their car faster than possible, and someone getting more credits?

think it stems from the Windows pc side

It is, and just that. They also watch that like a hawk too.

you keep responding about direct focus of each game, I think you are missing the point. Wendy's don't have to sell Big Macs in order to compete with McDonald's... Likewise with forza and GT.

That's not a good analogy at all. What it's like now is as if they were both hamburger joints before, but now one decided to switch it to completely chicken sandwiches only. They're still both have a common ground as they're both still selling sandwich, but one is completely different in design and structure.

You collect cars and play online in both games just because one my have more focus on either of the two it doesn't throw them out of competition.

Yeah but you're missing the most relevant part, both had high car rosters with heavy focus on car rpg like instances and focused on different way to collect vehicles and make them your own with heavy customization aspects. That's all but gone with GT as they stopped it and took out those aspects for a much higher online and eSports focused design. I'm not saying people won't compare them, I'm saying Forza is the only one holding onto that aspect of gaming that GT used to as well, making it the only one in it's catagory.

 

[CopperySinger]

Cheaters I wouldn't want to play with, but the good thing is that they're is absolutely no cheaters. Credit glitches are something else and then doing that had no bearing on my whatsoever, because credits don't make you a better racer. So again, what's the relevance with some cheating, like making their car faster than possible, and someone getting more credits?


It is, and just that. They also watch that like a hawk too.


That's not a good analogy at all. What it's like now is as if they were both hamburger joints before, but now one decided to switch it to completely chicken sandwiches only. They're still both have a common ground as they're both still selling sandwich, but one is completely different in design and structure.

Yeah but you're missing the most relevant part, both had high car rosters with heavy focus on car rpg like instances and focused on different way to collect vehicles and make them your own with heavy customization aspects. That's all but home with GT as they stopped it and took out those boots for a much higher online and eSports focused design. I'm not saying people won't compare them, I'm saying Forza is the only one holding onto that aspect of gaming that GT used to as well, making it the only one in it's catagory.

Let me stop this right here... You have asked about relevance multiple times but have deliberately deleted my answer in the quote. You asked a question, deleted my answer then asked the same question again?!? That is kind of rude. I shall repeat once again, cheating is in the "trainer" no garauntee that they will catch all those cheaters. But if they are no problem to you, have fun.

And if you still believe that forza and GT is not in competition after my analogy, you have a right to that opinion but unfortunatly it is not going to change my way of thinking.

 

[ImaRobot]

Let me stop this right here... You have asked about relevance multiple times but have deliberately deleted my answer in the quote. You asked a question, deleted my answer then asked the same question again?!? That is kind of rude

You posted absolutely no detail about the relevance outside of what I quoted. I didn't delete anything, I just focused on a specific point since you're not describing it in any way that's relevant to it. Call it rude all you want, you really never expanded on it.

I shall repeat once again, cheating is in the "trainer" no garauntee that they will catch all those cheaters. But if they are no problem to you, have fun.

They're no problem to anyone apparently, as they don't get to play the actual game. Tell me an encounter you had with a cheater in Forza 7, if you don't have one, I dare you to go find someone posting about one. They are no where to be found on console. As for the trainer, what do they do in the Forza game that you've seen?

And if you still believe that forza and GT is not in competition after my analogy, you have a right to that opinion but unfortunatly it is not going to change my way of thinking.

I never said they weren't competitors, you're the only one on that bend. I said Forza is sitting in it's own sub genre. I doubt sales are going to be affected by each other as they're completely different in design and focus, only sharing the aspect that you take a car to the track.

Go ahead and hold onto that horrible analogy, it doesn't make much sense to me.

 

[McLaren]

I think a point you're missing Coppery, is that the cheating in this game doesn't affect you in multiplayer. It boosts credits and that's it. So far, you can't cheat your way to the top of a leaderboard so just because you afforded a million dollar car quicker doesn't guarantee you can beat the fastest people in the game with it. That's all those Trainers have been doing, gaining money at a key stroke's notice, and that's what's getting banned.

I'm not sure why it's being used as some sort of negative against GT:S if T10 have proven that they intend to ban/fix the glitching asap. I also don't know how "being online only" is going to automatically cure GT:S of similar exploits. We have a thread here that's intent is to help people "exploit" an achievement in the game at starting from the back and winning.

 

[CopperySinger]

You posted absolutely no detail about the relevance outside of what I quoted. I didn't delete anything, I just focused on a specific point since you're not describing it in any way that's relevant to it. Call it rude all you want, you really never expanded on it.


They're no problem to anyone apparently, as they don't get to play the actual game. Tell me an encounter you had with a cheater in Forza 7, if you don't have one, I dare you to go find someone posting about one. They are no where to be found on console. As for the trainer, what do they do in the Forza game that you've seen?


I never said they weren't competitors, you're the only one on that bend. I said Forza is sitting in it's own sub genre. I doubt sales are going to be affected by each other as they're completely different in design and focus, only sharing the aspect that you take a car to the track.

Go ahead and hold onto that horrible analogy, it doesn't make much sense to me.

relevance? theres not much you can delete here:

https://forums.forzamotorsport.net/...rza-Motorsport-7-Banning-and-Enforcement.aspx

 

[CopperySinger]

I think a point you're missing Coppery, is that the cheating in this game doesn't affect you in multiplayer. It boosts credits and that's it. So far, you can't cheat your way to the top of a leaderboard so just because you afforded a million dollar car quicker doesn't guarantee you can beat the fastest people in the game with it. That's all those Trainers have been doing, gaining money at a key stroke's notice, and that's what's getting banned.

I'm not sure why it's being used as some sort of negative against GT:S if T10 have proven that they intend to ban/fix the glitching asap. I also don't know how "being online only" is going to automatically cure GT:S of similar exploits. We have a thread here that's intent is to help people "exploit" an achievement in the game at starting from the back and winning.

One should to be an expert top leaderboard racer to not be effected by those cheaters who got all the cars easily, I think that is a poor way to overlook and excuse the cheaters imo. I feel it is more about morality amongst fellow players rather than just who can win on the track. Now there is nothing that can be said to put it at ease about the cheating existence, similar happened to gt6 and people were outraged. Instead of kicking it under the rug like what is possibly seen here, polyphony d took action and offered free dlc for everyone. and that would be how it relates to GT, but its your choice you don't have to view it in a negative way.

 

[McLaren]

One should to be an expert top leaderboard racer to not be effected by those cheaters who got all the cars easily, I think that is a poor way to overlook and excuse the cheaters imo.

I didn't excuse anything. You're the one implying cheaters get to the top of the leaderboards despite the fact the cheats/glitches in the game have no impact on them.

because we don't want cheaters names sitting at the top of the leaderboards.

If you can get to the top of a leaderboard, it's because you're good. The glitches in this game didn't make you that good.

I feel it is more about morality amongst fellow players rather than just who can win on the track.

You can't even tell....

Now there is nothing that can be said to put it at ease about the cheating existence, similar happened to gt6 and people were outraged. Instead of kicking it under the rug like what is possibly seen here, polyphony d took action and offered free dlc for everyone. and that would be how it relates to GT, but its your choice you don't have to view it in a negative way.

What are you talking about? You specifically said yourself T10 is banning people, so it's not being kicked under the rug.

 

[CopperySinger]

I didn't excuse anything. You're the one implying cheaters get to the top of the leaderboards despite the fact the cheats/glitches in the game have no impact on them.

If you can get to the top of a leaderboard, it's because you're good. The glitches in this game didn't make you that good.

You can't even tell....

What are you talking about? You specifically said yourself T10 is banning people, so it's not being kicked under the rug.

You and imarobot seem to not be aware of the cheating, or trying hard at kicking this thing under the rug in this thread. Yes, true t10 has acknowledged it, and are trying to eradicate the obvious problem.

 

[McLaren]

You and imarobot seem to not be aware of the cheating, or trying hard at kicking this thing under the rug in this thread. Yes, true t10 has acknowledged it, and are trying to eradicate the obvious problem.

You seem to be trying hard at misconstruing the argument.

We're aware of the cheating; it's not affecting the leaderboards as you claimed. We're not kicking it under the rug either because it doesn't exist in the way you implied. If it is, post some proof. Otherwise, go play the game you have your avatar set for since you seem confident it won't have any of these issues.

 

[CopperySinger]

You seem to be trying hard at misconstruing the argument.

We're aware of the cheating; it's not affecting the leaderboards as you claimed. We're not kicking it under the rug either because it doesn't exist in the way you implied. If it is, post some proof. Otherwise, go play the game you have your avatar set for since you seem confident it won't have any of these issues.

You seem to be trying hard at misconstruing the argument.

We're aware of the cheating; it's not affecting the leaderboards as you claimed. We're not kicking it under the rug either because it doesn't exist in the way you implied. If it is, post some proof. Otherwise, go play the game you have your avatar set for since you seem confident it won't have any of these issues.

very funny...

I have you to know, I'm a forza fan. And this is not about which game I go now to play personally. just for the record I will be playing all three, forza7, project cars2 and gt sport.

If the apparent cheating does not effect the leaderboards specifically, it does effect the morale of the community of players who's intent to play the entire game in a respectable manner.

 

[ImaRobot]

relevance? theres not much you can delete here:

https://forums.forzamotorsport.net/...rza-Motorsport-7-Banning-and-Enforcement.aspx

did you even read anything? Still not posting anything relevant at all. I asked what's the relevance between someone increasing their credits and levels and someone actually cheating by making their cars faster? What cheats have you encountered in game? What charts are bring exploited that people are getting banned for and how would those cheats affect me when playing online.

the apparent cheating does not effect the leaderboards specifically, it does effect the morale of the community of players who's intent to play the entire game in a respectable manner

So in otherwise words it affects absolutely no one

 

[CopperySinger]

did you even read anything? Still not posting anything relevant at all. I asked what's the relevance between someone increasing their credits and levels and someone actually cheating by making their cars faster? What cheats have you encountered in game? What charts are bring exploited that people are getting banned for and how would those cheats affect me when playing online.

So in otherwise words it affects absolutely no one

imarobot, what do you want me to provide you with next? you want me to prove cheating with someone doing a 360 burnout blowing up smoke in a grey car with black trim going 900mph on two wheels while flying through the air?!? I provided you with the material you requested, it is up to you if you want to comprehend it as cheating or not. Nevertheless its cheating that effects anyone who desires to grind for forza7 rewards in the way the game is intended..

 

[CSLACR]

very funny...

I have you to know, I'm a forza fan. And this is not about which game I go now to play personally. just for the record I will be playing all three, forza7, project cars2 and gt sport.

If the apparent cheating does not effect the leaderboards specifically, it does effect the morale of the community of players who's intent to play the entire game in a respectable manner.

I get it, you like GTS. We have a forum for that game.

Stop rambling about how Forza is ruined by cheats and GTS can't be because it's on Playstation.
But wait, it was the PS network that got hacked and shut down for 2 months?

As you stated, the last GT game had "cheaters" too, so enjoy your cheat-proof game. (Whichever one you think exists)

 

[ImaRobot]

imarobot, what do you want me to provide you with next?

Literally anything, anything that would price the point that you're making, as you've yet to do so.

provided you with the material you requested, it is up to you if you want to comprehend it as cheating or not

No you absolutely did not, not in the way you were implying about the cheats.

So yeah, way to dodge all those questions. It's fairly obvious what you were implying and it's also obvious you don't know what you're talking about.

asked what's the relevance between someone increasing their credits and levels and someone actually cheating by making their cars faster? What cheats have you encountered in game? What charts are bring exploited that people are getting banned for and how would those cheats affect me when playing online.

still waiting for you to answer this.

 

[ImaRobot]

Dp

 

[CopperySinger]

Literally anything, anything that would price the point that you're making, as you've yet to do so.

No you absolutely did not, not in the way you were implying about the cheats.

So yeah, way to dodge all those questions. It's fairly obvious what you were implying and it's also obvious you don't know what you're talking about.
still waiting for you to answer this.

The forza7 cheating is explained in the link you deleted. did you read it first?

I have shown you the cheating there is nothing else to be conjured here.

 

[Ialyrn]

cheating is in the "trainer" no garauntee that they will catch all those cheaters.

These 'trainers' that people use to cheat in games, more often than not rely on hex code manipulation (hence hex editors been a thing). Its essentially the process of monitoring codes in active system memory, doing something in the game to chance that code in the active memory; such as buying an upgrade to see if the code changes on a lower credit amount. Then injecting a new code in its place into the active memory the game is running from. This incurs a change in a game, results in you having more credits (or life/ammo/whatever depending on the game). Once someone knows what codes they need, that is when they can build a trainer around them, which other download to use for cheating. Sucks to be those people though.... baring the added risk of getting a virus (or other malware) on their PC systems, an always online game..... say like Forza Motorsport 7 as an example; the changes are easily noted by the anti cheating systems that T10 have in place. They monitor for large denominations of figures, such as credit balances, changing from a small amount to a stupidly high amount in a split second. Hence why T10 have already enacted a ban wave. Using trainers, hex editors and so forth in single player offline games; no one cares about that. That only hampers the fun of that particular user. A game like Forza Motorsport 7 and Forza Horizon 3, what happens in that game can have a knock on effect with the entire economy and player base in multiple ways. T10 will come down rather hard on the players that decide to flout those lines.

 

[ImaRobot]

The forza7 cheating is explained in the link you deleted. did you read it first?

I have shown you the cheating there is nothing else to be conjured here.

No one deleted anything stop you can stop posting that ridiculous nonsense. You have showed us people who cheated to get credits, however that is not what we're discussing, we're discussing people cheating to be unnaturally faster and affecting leader board times

because we don't want cheaters names sitting at the top of the leaderboards.

You saying this makes it extremely obvious that you're not aware what's actually going on, nor do you have a clue about what you're talking about. It's like you literally haven't payed attention to what you wrote.

Instead of kicking it under the rug like what is possibly seen here

You also said this, which is literally not happening since you actually knew they are taking action since you're the one that posted it.

asked what's the relevance between someone increasing their credits and levels and someone actually cheating by making their cars faster? What cheats have you encountered in game? What charts are bring exploited that people are getting banned for and how would those cheats affect me when playing online.

Still waiting for you to answer this, that you keep trying to ignore.

 

[CopperySinger]

No one deleted anything stop you can stop posting that ridiculous nonsense. You have showed us people who cheated to get credits, however that is not what we're discussing, we're discussing people cheating to be unnaturally faster and affecting leader board times


You saying this makes it extremely obvious that you're not aware what's actually going on, nor do you have a clue about what you're talking about. It's like you literally haven't payed attention to what you wrote.

You also said this, which is literally not happening since you actually knew they are taking action since you're the one that posted it.


Still waiting for you to answer this, that you keep trying to ignore.

You have cut parts of my posts and quoted only partially, leaving out the full message, I suggest you go back and read every thing I wrote you should find your answers there, you are here constantly demanding me to answer to you own argument, then you take the privilege to quote yourself and expect me to explain it, No I will not do that, But I will tell you that you are entitled to your own opinion and you are now free to believe in whatever makes you happy about this cheating in forza7, the run on sentence is here purposely so you won't slice it again.

 

[RikkiGT-R]

What exactly are the "prohibited tools" Turn 10 mention? What is a trainer?

I used the Ram Runner FE a few times @ Airfield (as did a buttload of others). Is this what they're banning?

 

[ImaRobot]

you have cut parts of my posts and quoted only partially, leaving out the full message,

The parts I excluded had no relevance to what was asked, the questions you still have not answered.

suggest you go back and read every thing I wrote you should find your answers there,

I have, you have someone no answers to the questions asked about how it affects us, nor did you expand about people's names being on top of the leaderboard because of cheats. You keep avoiding actually answering things and misconstruing the discussion.

you are here constantly demanding me to answer to you own argumen

You brought up cheating, even though it's obvious you don't know what's happening. This is your argument.

Way to avoid answering the bs you brought up I take it you're not answering because you have absolutely no idea.

What exactly are the "prohibited tools" Turn 10 mention? What is a trainer?

I used the Ram Runner FE a few times @ Airfield (as did a buttload of others). Is this what they're banning?

trainers are external tools on PC that created to break the game and give you automatic credits and or level progression, netting you vast rewards. You used a glitch within the game, not exactly the same thing at all.

 

[CopperySinger]

What exactly are the "prohibited tools" Turn 10 mention? What is a trainer?

I used the Ram Runner FE a few times @ Airfield (as did a buttload of others). Is this what they're banning?

the "trainer" is a cheat used in horizon 3, now it has made its way to forza 7. I sent a link where it is happening but this guy above keeps replying bloated pointless messages in attempts to kick it under the rug lol.

https://www.cheathappens.com/22183-PC-Forza_Horizon_3_cheats