FM7 vs. PCars 2 vs. GT:Sport
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They didn't make its way into Forza 7, a new one was created. It's funny that you posted that because it specifically says for offline use only. Do you know why? Because you'll get banned as soon as you connect to online with those things active. Stop playing dumb, no one is kicking it under the rug, I have acknowledged it since the very first post, I was asking you how it affects the leaderboard and online play since you keep saying it does.
You're very good and not being able to provide any evidence whatsoever.
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Just playing devils advocate for a moment.
Although it's technically a glitch and not a cheat, the leaderboards are currently corrupted by times that have no right being there.........i'm looking at you friction assist.
Although it's technically a glitch and not a cheat, the leaderboards are currently corrupted by times that have no right being there.........i'm looking at you friction assist.
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Of which again, you have absolutely no way of knowing unless someone specifically says, "Hey btw, I got this car by speeding through the driver level by using a glitch".
Your argument of player morale works better against people who intend on winning or trolling, by physically ramming other players since those people directly affect others, rather than a person exploiting their single player game.
Because once they're online, they can be detected by the developers. How does he know this? Because they outright say it.
It is the same system with Forza 7.
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After playing both Project Cars 2 and Forza 7. I have to give the nod to Forza 7, both games currently have some issues but I find Forza to be much more entertaining that PCars 2. I'll move back to PCars 2 at some point once I get bored with FM7, hopefully they have some of the issues sorted out in PCars2 by then.
If I had a PS4 or if GT Sport was available for the PC then I would have that one too but can not see buying a PS4 [and a wheel] just for that game right now. Maybe after it has been out in the world for a while and I see what everyone says about it I may reconsider.
If I had a PS4 or if GT Sport was available for the PC then I would have that one too but can not see buying a PS4 [and a wheel] just for that game right now. Maybe after it has been out in the world for a while and I see what everyone says about it I may reconsider.
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With a wheel? While FM7 looks great and more of a "game" with a nice car roster going back and forth between the two is a night and day difference (with my wheel on a PC) - PC2 feels SO MUCH better (FFB, control, edge of adhesion). I actually think wheel/FFB in FM7 feels better than previous versions but I'm still tempted to only play FM7 with a gamepad.
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Although pcars2 is a decent game now, it still suffers from quite a few problems to hang with forza imo. but if you are dead set on having a pure sim, you might like pcars2 but a racing wheel is needed. After playing a couple hours of Gran Turismo Sport demo, I'm impressed. 1) the single player campaign is not lacking as rumored; And you can set a wide variety of race scenarios in arcade mode with beautiful tracks while racing with competent AI. 2) driving physics are stellar with ds4 controller and FFB for my racing wheel was excellent and needed no changes at all, features car tuning too. 3) Visual graphics are totally up to par for this gen on the regular ps4, car interiors show more clarity. 4) Sound quality has made a major improvement over gt6 with better engine sounds and still with dynamic range soundtracks. 5) Online racing is the very best part. featuring a well working experience and safety system that puts you racing with people with similar racing habits, so it eliminates the rammers from your competitive racing style. currently my rank is experience: D and safety: B and I've watched the rammers fall down ranks and they are no longer racing in the same lobby as me
gt sport has a wide variety of options. you can play full realistic car handling as pcars2 or you can set the handling to feel arcadey similar to forza. imarobot mentioned that gt sport is not competing with forza and based off my experience with this demo, he's right! I think GT sport is on another level from both forza and project cars; but ill let you decide if you want to view that in a negative or positive way.
gt sport does not have: known cheaters or glitch exploits, disorganized lobby racing system, microtransactions, or clown outfits for your driver, loot boxes.
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gt sport does not have: full of bugs, lack of support for gaming controller, invisible pit crew, dysfunctional rating system, backwards sim driving mechanics (front tire slips, car oversteers), graphics that look worst than the last game, freezing screen of death.
The full game is not out yet, but as the way it seems, looks like Gran Turismo sport is going to be the perfect racing game.
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No, I actually literally never said that. So again, stop making up things and posting falsehoods in this forum. It would be appreciated.
GTS doesn't have anything, because it's not out yet, not that those things actually hinder any gameplay as the cheaters get banned instantly, and the credit glitchers don't affect us in any way. Although from what I hear from the lobby system is that it's very hit and miss, like most racing games so far. Wonder how that'll change as the months go by for both games.
I'm hard pressed to put this game on the top of the podium, as it sits. I very much liked the old GT formula much better than the current one, even if I do see things that I do like. I always enjoyed building up my own vehicles to a certain PP, tuning oddball cars to make the competitive when they have no right doing so while stock. Customization was a big thing for me because I enjoyed the feeling of my car feeling like my own. Strict classed racing as well as race cars is farther down my list of what I prefer, as I prefer road cars and oddballs more than anything. These aspects is where I get most of my joy from in these games, and as a side that doesn't really do much with racing, I also enjoy the photomode, so GTS has that for me, as the game is looking great.
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I agree, I do prefer the more sim experience from pcars2 when using a wheel. but it seems that forza is a more well put together game, so you are not going to find many bugs/ software failure in forza. pcars 2 might have a tad bit too many bugs to compete this time around imo, some who desire a sim experience might rather settle for forza7 just because they don't want to fight through the bugs in cars2; sometimes it is about enjoying yourself with the game fresh out the box. Forza is practically entertainment for everyone. and while the horizon series currently offers even more entertainment than motorsport series, I fear horizon will eventually consume motorsport. I hate that forza motorsport has taken to employ this juvenile type racing experience, I feel that should have stayed in horizon.
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A wheel is not needed, I play PCARS 2 just fine on a controller. However if you have a wheel it will be more enjoyable since wheel support and FFB in PCARS 2 is great from what I've heard.
If you check out the YouTube channels from AttaX Johnson and Super GT you can see them both playing PCARS 2 just fine with a controller.
On the topic of bugs, yeah sadly there are many bugs again in PCARS 2 but I'm confident SMS will fix them, PCARS 1 released in a lot worse conditions and that game got a ton of posty-launch patches to fix and improve things.
Forza 7 on the other hand isn't as bug free as you would expect though, FM6 and FH3 felt like smoother releases. With some content not available at release and a lot more bugs at launch than FH3 last year, I think the devs were not completely ready with the game yet. If that is the case then I'm sure those things will be fixed as well.
Going to try that GT:S demo now on my PS4 Pro in full HDR and (checkerboard) 4K (or whatever resolution it runs at on the Pro).
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Don't get me wrong I like the FFB in PCars, I liked it better in PCars1 than 2, the way they tried to simplify it in 2 caused me a lot of headaches early on, took almost two days to get it to where I could get anywhere near a decent feel, out of the box some cars had 2 or more inches of dead zone which made them almost impossible to handle at speed.
That was only one of the issues though and that one was pretty much solved after lots of tweaking the text file and restarting the game over and over and over again way worse the PCars1 in that aspect. Then there is the downshift protection that prevents you from downshifting in many cases where it should not and prevents you from using engine breaking effectively, then there are the brakes which seem very erratic sometimes locking under moderate pressure and other times not braking enough even under more than moderate pressure and of course if you make a mistake and turn the wheel even a little while braking very hard then it seems that you loose both steering and stopping force until you release the brake. Keep in mind I am not talking about cases where brakes are cold vs hot but in more normal conditions. I have had the brakes feel completely different from one corner to the next, combine that with thinking you are in 3rd but are actually in 4th due to the downshift not working and then slightly turn the wheel and what you end up with is off the track often. Then there is the issue with a car breaking grip it seems that the instant the rear tires loose grip they loose it completely and so do the front ones steering into anything more than a very minor slide has little effect then suddenly the front end bites and the car whips violently the other way. So from a driving perspective with a wheel PCars feels better FFB wise once you figure out how to set it up than FM7 does or any Forza for that matter but the actual driving is better in Forza.
Now of course I had said Forza is more entertaining and that is a big thing to me. I like buying, modifying and tuning cars of all sorts. While the tuning is there in PCars there is no modifications possible and very few road cars and the few they have are grouped into classes on the leaderboards where most of them stand 0 chance of competing at all. The career mode in Pcars I find tedious and unrewarding, practice, qualify race and after all of that what to you get? No credits, no cars, no anything really just a win and the ability to move on to the next race or tier or whatever. It was fun for a while in PCars 1 but got old after a while and PCars 2 seems pretty much the same only the cars do not drive as well as they did in 1.
Edit: I almost forgot the final straw was when I saw that anyone who raced my ghost could steal my setup that I spent hours or even days tweaking.
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@CopperySinger Of course you can't quote me saying that, because I literally never said it. You were quite literally the only one talking about competition. So again, stop lying and acting like I said something that I never said.
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Why don’t you do yourself a favor and step off that high horse. You’ve been about as constructive as you accuse him of being.
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Yes with a wheel.
Try playing PCars with a wheel on Xbox, preferably a Logitech G920.
It's the most awful, terrible wheel "experience" that I've had since PS1.
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Didn't see this since you sneaked it in with an edit. All I've been doing is debunking you're extremely off base, and false claims. Had you not posted misleading information, it wouldn't have panned out like this. If you don't like the direction of the discussion then you should have read up on some things before posting.
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okay, I will step off this high horse you claim and be real with you and on the topic of this thread for a moment.
GT sport is going to blow forza7 away in terms of which one versus each other imo. I'm interested in what you have to say about that?!?
sure there may be some issues bugs with gt sport, as it is not fully released yet, and my opinion is based off the demo we have so far.
and... if you don't have any substantial support for your views to bring to the table but to only attempt to refute my opinions, your conversation here is useless to me
edit: and this guy beneath me.. yes. because it is pointless to keep responding to these idiotic comments. it is obvious you have a deep seated interest in what I have to say, that fine but no need to keep using me as a punching bag. agree to disagree and move on but if you "can't", thats when it becomes psychological imo...
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In terms of what?
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/gt-sport-bug-report-thread.361287/
Seems to have quite a few bugs resulting in complete crashing of the game, affecting multiple people. Seems like people are even having a hard time with the matchmaking just freezing on them.
This has already been hit and miss on the beta, lets see how it improved
Looks to be plenty of freezing, crashing, and screen hanging going on in that thread as well.
You probably shouldn't have jumped so quick to say all these things, the day the demo comes out.
Ironic considering you've brought only a boatload of misinformed views and basically no substantial evidence to back up your claims(especially with how you said the leaderboards will be affected by those credit glitchers), with little to no facts about how things happen, and little to no understanding about what happens within the game. On top of that, you literally posted no context about what you just meant, in any way.
It's funny that now you backtrack after saying
Way to move the goalposts there buddy
If you were actually forming an opinion based off the demo, than you wouldn't have said that in the first place.
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I don’t own a PS4, so why would I care? I’m not even discussing GT:S beyond the fact being online only doesn’t magically save it from bugs/cheaters.
That’s ironic. I’ve posted proof but you stopped replying. You haven’t posted anything yourself either.
What you’re posting isn’t opinions to begin with. You claimed cheaters were on the leaderboards yet you showed no proof of such. The cheaters you were complaining about have no effect there. You were proven wrong, so you instead chose to act like your point was misconstrued by talking about morality, another claim you can’t prove.
You made your own conversation useless.
Lot of big talk from someone whose just as much to blame for “idiotic” comments. He has no “deep seated interest” in what you have to say, nor do I. You got called out for spreading misinformation.
This attempt to divert and go, “You guys are just picking on me (even though I’ve been equally responsive)” is the only thing “psychological”.
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if you don't own a ps4, why are you trying to refute what I'm saying about gt sport. I've already played the demo.
I just can't stand for all that cheating and glitching currently going on in forza 7 I prefer fairplay all around.
again, what do you think about forza7 vs pcar2, vs gt sport?
I've already sent links to the cheating in forza 7, would you like for me to send it to you again?
but here you go again attacking and lack of responding to anything based off this topic.
and if you say I'm spreading misinformation, just go ahead and prove it otherwise. stop trying to fool the readers in this thread by ranting with absurd false accusations and calling me a liar.
I have noticed you in action, all you are doing is trolling in these threads. "go away"
I just can't stand for all that cheating and glitching currently going on in forza 7 I prefer fairplay all around.
again, what do you think about forza7 vs pcar2, vs gt sport?
I've already sent links to the cheating in forza 7, would you like for me to send it to you again?
but here you go again attacking and lack of responding to anything based off this topic.
and if you say I'm spreading misinformation, just go ahead and prove it otherwise. stop trying to fool the readers in this thread by ranting with absurd false accusations and calling me a liar.
I have noticed you in action, all you are doing is trolling in these threads. "go away"
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You played the demo. Not the full game. You propose this statement as hearsay. Prove this statement otherwise.
For the last time, you can't even tell who cheats & who doesn't. The money exploits are single player based.
I have not played PCars 2 or GT Sport. I will get to PCars 2 eventually as I enjoyed the first. I applaud GT:Sport's improvements in the sound department, however, I know better than to trust everything Polyphony claims.
The only links you sent were the developers saying they are banning people using trainers in the game. Then you posted a link to a FH3 trainer claiming it was carried over (whilst ignoring that the Trainer specifically claims it is for Offline Use-Only). You responded with how do they know the developers detect them, to which I showed you.
Everything you keep accusing Imarobot or I have doing, you do in the exact same post.
I already did. Let's have a refresher.
Those 2 things do not correlate. When this was originally pointed out to you, you switched the argument to morality.
Of which again, you'd never know who used a money glitch since it's not advertised in any way.
If you want a troll response, you got it.
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You played the demo. Not the full game. You propose this statement as hearsay. Prove this statement otherwise.
For the last time, you can't even tell who cheats & who doesn't. The money exploits are single player based.
I have not played PCars 2 or GT Sport. I will get to PCars 2 eventually as I enjoyed the first. I applaud GT:Sport's improvements in the sound department, however, I know better than to trust everything Polyphony claims.
The only links you sent were the developers saying they are banning people using trainers in the game. Then you posted a link to a FH3 trainer claiming it was carried over (whilst ignoring that the Trainer specifically claims it is for Offline Use-Only). You responded with how do they know the developers detect them, to which I showed you.
Everything you keep accusing Imarobot or I have doing, you do in the exact same post.
I already did. Let's have a refresher.
Those 2 things do not correlate. When this was originally pointed out to you, you switched the argument to morality.
Of which again, you'd never know who used a money glitch since it's not advertised in any way.
If you want a troll response, you got it.
let me correct you. Right, the trainer cheat is intended for offline use, some have been caught using it online. this moves me away from forza7 at the moment, because those cheaters could have ruined the leaderboards for others.
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Which goes right back to my original point.
If T10 is working to nip this issue as quickly as possible & achieve what you claim GT:Sport will be like, there's no reason to hold it against the game. If someone has managed to move up on the Leaderboards through cheating with a Trainer, they will be removed. We're only a week into Forza 7's release; the turn around to nip and ban cheaters permanently is credit enough.
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I've not saw any unrealistic times on any of the leaderboards I have looked at. Those trainers are generally to add credits or xp to the users total so they can buy cars and such. They do not get magically faster.
People are going to cheat if there is a way to do so, it happened in GT6 it happened in GT5, it happened in GT4, it will happen in GT Sport just as it has and will happen in all versions of Forza and pretty much every game out there. The one thing T10 has been pretty good about is going after the ones who do this so those who play normally have a better experience.
