Formula 1 Gran Premio de España Santander 2012
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chromatic9
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Spookily I was going to respond yesterday with how the chuckle brothers would've not under fueled Hamilton but spilt most of it and set the garage on fire.
Glad to hear nothing serious happened but that smoke can have some after effects. I was kind of shocked to see only mechanics in their shorts and t-shirts trying to fight it for a long time. There should be some Fire Brigade standing around who can act fast with extinguishers while the truck gets there. The thick black smoke was pouring out the back and is very dangerous and immensely difficult to get through without the proper gear on.
Glad to hear nothing serious happened but that smoke can have some after effects. I was kind of shocked to see only mechanics in their shorts and t-shirts trying to fight it for a long time. There should be some Fire Brigade standing around who can act fast with extinguishers while the truck gets there. The thick black smoke was pouring out the back and is very dangerous and immensely difficult to get through without the proper gear on.
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This is the score now right?:
Alonso 55
Hamilton 49
Button 45
Vettel 36
Webber 36
Rosberg 31
Raikonnen 31
Maldonado 29
Perez 22
Grosjean 20
Kobayashi 19
Senna 14
Di Resta 7
Vergne 4
Hulkenburg 3
Ricciardo 2
Schumacher 1
I haven't been following it this season but I saw in the news it was this
Glad to hear Williams won, they were going through a really rough spot when I was last paying any notice
Alonso 55
Hamilton 49
Button 45
Vettel 36
Webber 36
Rosberg 31
Raikonnen 31
Maldonado 29
Perez 22
Grosjean 20
Kobayashi 19
Senna 14
Di Resta 7
Vergne 4
Hulkenburg 3
Ricciardo 2
Schumacher 1
I haven't been following it this season but I saw in the news it was this
Glad to hear Williams won, they were going through a really rough spot when I was last paying any notice
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Without taking any credit away from Hamilton and a great drive from him, I can't help but find it odd that his strategy landed him ahead of Button. And Button "only" finished 8th(?). The McLaren team are really deserving the "McFail" nickname this season. It can all be bad luck...
Has foul play been ruled out from the Williams pit incident? I read something about both RBR front wings being misteriously damaged and thus having to be replaced. Rumours of some sort of a saboteur...?
Has foul play been ruled out from the Williams pit incident? I read something about both RBR front wings being misteriously damaged and thus having to be replaced. Rumours of some sort of a saboteur...?
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Almost all of that is wrong, some drivers according to that have less points than they did after Bahrain.
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I doubt it heavily. What I think happened was that there wasn't enough grip cause they were trying a low downforce setup and the wings that went on had more angle thus more grip.
And Williams pit problems? Just cross threaded it, hence why he took so long.
All is good mate. Only suspicious thing in my mid was the fire. But I believe that was a electrical problem.
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If almost all of it is wrong, what is right? That's what I saw it as.
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Current WDC standings as of this evening, from the F1 website:
1 Vettel 61
2 Alonso 61
3 Hamilton 53
4 Räikkönen 49
5 Webber 48
6 Button 45
7 Rosberg 41
8 Grosjean 35
9 Maldonado 29
10 Perez 22
11 Kobayashi 19
12 di Resta 15
13 Senna 14
14 Vergne 4
15 Hulkenberg 3
16 Ricciardo 2
17 Massa 2
18 Schumacher 2
1 Vettel 61
2 Alonso 61
3 Hamilton 53
4 Räikkönen 49
5 Webber 48
6 Button 45
7 Rosberg 41
8 Grosjean 35
9 Maldonado 29
10 Perez 22
11 Kobayashi 19
12 di Resta 15
13 Senna 14
14 Vergne 4
15 Hulkenberg 3
16 Ricciardo 2
17 Massa 2
18 Schumacher 2
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Roger the Horse
1 Sebastian Vettel -61
2 Fernando Alonso -61
3 Lewis Hamilton -53
4 Kimi Räikkönen -49
5 Mark Webber -48
6 Jenson Button -45
7 Nico Rosberg -41
8 Romain Grosjean -35
9 Pastor Maldonado -29
10 Sergio Perez -22
There you go for comparison.
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Ginsters I thought was and always Montoya's nickname? (Or is that now the title inherited by each Williams GP winner?) 
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I don't see how it is Schumacher's fault for the collision at turn 1 with Senna. Senna was moving around in the braking zone, and Schumi couldn't decided where to go. He choose...and was wrong.
The way I see it Senna should have choosen a racing line and stuck with it, thus not confusing Schumi. Yes, he (Schumi) could have braked earlier knowing the performance and tire differences, but if Senna hadn't moved there wouldn't have been and issue.
The way I see it Senna should have choosen a racing line and stuck with it, thus not confusing Schumi. Yes, he (Schumi) could have braked earlier knowing the performance and tire differences, but if Senna hadn't moved there wouldn't have been and issue.
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That's the way I saw it as well and I'm not exactly what you could call a Schumacher fan.
As for Maldonado, for me it's "Pastor must go fastor"
As for Maldonado, for me it's "Pastor must go fastor"
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Yes. In many ways it is completely my fault that he drove into the back of someone. Wait, what?
Incidentally I have no bias against any driver. Except maybe Maldonado.
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But, as always, it suits some people to pretend that negative comments are based in negative bias.
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I know it will do nothing (as you are absolutely incapable of admitting that you can be wrong in a dispute), but you made some very negative comments about him throughout the thread, and still act as ALL fault is on him, although I posted a video undoubtably proving the opposite. No wonder I got the impression you are biased against him.
*Waits for the usually bad excuse*
*Waits for the usually bad excuse*
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I think you just need to swallow that national pride.
After Monza 2011, the race in which Schumi was changing direction twice on straights, the rules were clarified (or strengthened) to state that it was no longer allowed to make more than one change of line on straights. If Schumacher did the same, there would be consternation (and rightly so).
Senna moves from the left to the middle, and then in the braking zone, abruptly moves back to the left again. And Schumacher gets a penalty? What a joke of a sport.
Senna moves from the left to the middle, and then in the braking zone, abruptly moves back to the left again. And Schumacher gets a penalty? What a joke of a sport.
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Why does one decision (which has been backed up by many in the motorsport world, the commentators on the BBC coverage for example) then render the whole sport a joke??
Jaime Alguersuari's opinion of the incident "Mamma mia. To be honest I think Senna wasn't doing a great job holding up the field but that was completely Michael's fault. He ran into the back of Senna's car without an intention of overtaking. I'd like to hear what Schumacher says after this, I'm sure it won't be his fault."
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First season since 1983 that 5 different drivers won 5 different races, and in both cases 5th race was won by williams
Oh man, i hate the use of the word casualty for injuries, it always gets me thinking the worst.
badgift, that's awesome i gotta remember that
Oh man, i hate the use of the word casualty for injuries, it always gets me thinking the worst.
badgift, that's awesome i gotta remember that
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Just heard about the Williams' garage fire. Hope everyone's ok.
boiltheocean
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Yeah, that's called defending. Your allowed to move back onto the racing line (the left) after taking defensive action (the middle) providing you leave a cars width, exactly what Senna did. Schumacher decided he didn't fancy going into that free space and instead thought a gearbox would give him the room to get by.
What's more hilarious is the fact that you can take someone out and drop 5 places on the grid, yet run a little low on fuel and you go all the way to the back. That makes the sport look bad.
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Regarding Schumi -- Russian commentator(who's been doing F1 commentating since 1992 - he's the most knowledgable commentator i ever heard[english or russian]- so i personally find his opinion noteworthy) said that Senna started breaking way earlier then usual but then mentioned with some uncertainty that Schumi probably should've expected Senna to change his racing line because his tyres were old.
What do you guys think about that?
Is there a possibility that it's Senna's breaking point that could've been what forced Schumi to drive into him rather then the line change?
And is it standard practice to inform drivers how old the tyres of the guy infront are?
What do you guys think about that?
Is there a possibility that it's Senna's breaking point that could've been what forced Schumi to drive into him rather then the line change?
And is it standard practice to inform drivers how old the tyres of the guy infront are?
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I personally think it was Schumachers fault 100%
It's the driver behinds responsibility to brake earlier to compensate for worn tyres and defensive driving.
On the BBC coverage David Coulthard said that in one race he was coming up behind Alonso in a braking point and Fernando broke unusually early. Causing Coulthard to take evasive action (something which Schumacher didn't do)
Mclaren thought something was amiss so they analysed the incident and found Alonso had broke 30 feet earlier than he had the previous lap.
They took this "proof" to the stewards and they simply said it's the driver behinds responsibility to compensate.
Senna broke earlier due to worn tyres, didn't make any abrupt changes of direction, Schumacher was somehow confused by this, forgot to use his brakes and ploughed straight up the back of the Williams.
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I think with Hamilton, the problem was the team didn't hold their hands up and take a penalty, they tried to contest it. In the eyes of many it looked like they had planned it/done it on purpose to exploit a possible loophole in the interpretation of force majeure.
I believe that if they had held their hands up and said yeah, we've made a mistake, the stewards wouldn't have given such a harsh punishment. The case was they underfueled the car and tried to cover it by saying it was a technical problem in the garage; that can be interpreted as cheating.
I still think the penalty was harsh, but I can see where the Stewards are coming from, they've made it clear that pushing the boundaries on this rule will not be tolerated.
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I don't think Senna should have moved, but the fault is mainly with Schumacher. His racing craft doesn't seem to be up to par since he got back.
What a crazy race...at one point Vettel was leading from 7th.
Raikkonen mildly excited by 3rd place
What a crazy race...at one point Vettel was leading from 7th.
Raikkonen mildly excited by 3rd place
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I think it's just a cause of habbit... There were few occasions last year when he wasn't the leader. Just re-using the same old graphics.
