FORMULA 1 GRAN PREMIO HEINEKEN D'ITALIA 2017Formula 1

[Eva]

There's so much grid penalties, that I don't even know who's starting where anymore.

Half the field is going to be starting on the start straight. The other half will be starting in Narnia.

 

[Tired Tyres]

Half the field is going to be starting on the start straight. The other half will be starting in Narnia.

The latter being the ones that will make it through the first chicane intact.

 

[Eva]

The latter being the ones that will make it through the first chicane intact.

Not a guarantee. Both Toro Rossos are starting in Narnia.

EDIT: Official Starting Grid
1st: Lewis Hamilton
2nd: Lance Stroll
3rd: Esteban Ocon
4th: Valterri Bottas
5th: Kimi Raikkonen
6th: Sebastian Vettel
7th: Felipe Massa
8th: Daniil Kvyat
9th: Kevin Magnussen
10th: Sergio Perez
11th: Marcus Ericcson
12th: Pascal Wehrlein
13th: Max Verstappen
14th: Nico Hulkenburg
15th: Carlos Sainz
16th: Daniel Ricciardo
17th: Jolyon Palmer
18th: Stoffel Vandoorne
19th: Fernando Alonso
20th: Romain Grosjean

 

[Famine]

Here's what I understand about grid penalties...

They are applied to your qualifying position to give you a grid place, and grid places are then ranked to give the grid slot.

So the qualifying positions were:

1. Hamilton
2. Verstappen
3. Ricciardo
4. Stroll
5. Ocon
6. Bottas
7. Raikkonen
8. Vettel
9. Massa
10. Vandoorne
11. Perez
12. Hulkenberg
13. Alonso
14. Kvyat
15. Sainz
16. Magnussen
17. Palmer
18. Ericsson
19. Wehrlein
20. Grosjean*

*Grosjean was outside 107%, so he cannot start ahead of anyone who qualified. His grid slot is 20.

Six drivers then have penalties applied. Alonso is +35, Ricciardo is +25, Verstappen is +20, Palmer is +15, Hulkenberg is +10 and Sainz is +10, giving:

1. Hamilton
4. Stroll
5. Ocon
6. Bottas
7. Raikkonen
8. Vettel
9. Massa
10. Vandoorne
11. Perez
14. Kvyat
16. Magnussen
18. Ericsson
19. Wehrlein
22a. Verstappen*
22b. Hulkenberg*
25. Sainz
28. Ricciardo
32. Palmer
48. Alonso
20. Grosjean

*I think this is because Verstappen took his penalty first.

Since then, three other drivers have taken penalties. Vandoorne is now +25, Perez is +5 and Grosjean has, irrelevantly, taken +5. That now gives:

1. Hamilton
4. Stroll
5. Ocon
6. Bottas
7. Raikkonen
8. Vettel
9. Massa
14. Kvyat
16a. Magnussen*
16b. Perez*
18. Ericsson
19. Wehrlein
22a. Verstappen
22b. Hulkenberg
25. Sainz
28. Ricciardo
32. Palmer
35. Vandoorne
48. Alonso
20. Grosjean

*Magnussen was in 16th first, because he qualified there.

And that should give the starting grid posted by @Eva... *crosses fingers*

1st: Lewis Hamilton
2nd: Lance Stroll
3rd: Esteban Ocon
4th: Valterri Bottas
5th: Kimi Raikkonen
6th: Sebastian Vettel
7th: Felipe Massa
8th: Daniil Kvyat
9th: Kevin Magnussen
10th: Sergio Perez
11th: Marcus Ericcson
12th: Pascal Wehrlein
13th: Max Verstappen
14th: Nico Hulkenburg
15th: Carlos Sainz
16th: Daniel Ricciardo
17th: Jolyon Palmer
18th: Stoffel Vandoorne
19th: Fernando Alonso
20th: Romain Grosjean

BOO YAH!

 

[mustafur]

Weird because Renault applied first(apparently hours after Spa), does it go to the first car to leave the pit lane in FP1?

 

[Eva]

Weird because Renault applied first(apparently hours after Spa), does it go to the first car to leave the pit lane in FP1?

Yes. Then it goes by order applied after qualifying.

 

[Milouse]

*Grosjean was outside 107%, so he cannot start ahead of anyone who qualified. His grid slot is 20.

Thanks, i was wondering why he's starting last (he looked surprised too).
I don't understand why he has been applied this 107% rule knowing he just had set the 3rd time when he lost the car. The 107% rules has been created to avoid moving chicanes, and is not supposed to be applied blindly.

 

[IforceV8]

Any chance this is a 2 stopper since the track is green after the rain?

 

[NW48]

Pretty tame start given the mixed up grid, in all honesty.

EDIT- More bad luck for Verstappen.

 

[Grayfox]

Max must've been cruel to puppies in a previous life to get such bad luck

 

[Liquid]

Verstappen.

No luck.

 

[dingodile_r89]

RIP Max, again.

 

[Demon Drone]

Cars are really strung out already.

 

[Lord Kacperov]

Raikkonen may already have a problem, according to a team radio a few laps ago.

 

[Betty blue]

Max has really no one to blame but himself. He's too aggressive.

 

[Mike-ZENKAI]

Great start for Max untill the bump with Massa.

Mercedes disappearing into the distance.

 

[niky]

Those Ferraris are looking mighty slow in a straight line.

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Or perhaps Merc's new engines are making extra power by burning oil. Ferrari do have the pace to mug the Merc customer teams in a straight fight.

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Going to be a long, frustrating afternoon for Vettel. Damage minimized by getting up to third, but he is still going to lose the championship lead this afternoon.

 

[niky]

Danny-Boy: "I like them vulnerable."

Man, them Aussies...

 

[Grayfox]

Riccardo: I like them vulnerable
.

 

[Spurgy 777]

Max has really no one to blame but himself. He's too aggressive.

I don't see how it's his fault that Massa ran him out of space.

 

[mustafur]

It was a racing incident, but a more experienced racer may of pulled out if they didn't approach the corner without the overlap being on the outside.

 

[Grayfox]

The curse of Alonso?

 

[Lord Kacperov]

Palmer has retired because of some unknown issue.

 

[superwally]

KMag and Hulkenberg have been within a second or so of one another for a dozen laps, but not one second of it has been on TV...

...and a couple minutes later, here it is.

 

[Spurgy 777]

It was a racing incident, but a more experienced racer may of pulled out if they didn't approach the corner without the overlap being on the outside.

I'd need to see another angle but it looked like Verstappen was slightly ahead going into the chicane so he shouldn't be expected back out because he would have to slow down way too much. Massa looked to take the corner as if Verstappen wasn't even there and didn't even attempt to give space.

 

[niky]

Alonso has no battery.

Seems like Stoffel has no engine, either. Surprised he's just idling around and they're still sending him back out.

EDIT: He's out.

 

[Demon Drone]

Another race, another failure for Honda. Biggest joke in F1 right now.

 

[Dhalism]

It was a racing incident, but a more experienced racer may of pulled out if they didn't approach the corner without the overlap being on the outside.

Hard to say from that angle whether Massa pushed him out too far but when the actual collision occurs Max is off track, the collision is entirely his fault.

 

[Liquid]

Vandoorne gets the newest spec engine in his car this very weekend and it fails. Critically.

What is Honda's problem? What do Honda do wrong that Renault, Mercedes-Benz and Ferrari do right?

 

[Bram Turismo]

Such a shame, Stoffel was driving a great race until his car failed him.