Formula 1 Grand Prix de Monaco 2016

[Samus]

The main question I have is what would have happened if he didn't get that puddle of water and let off the throttle? I'm more interested in how it would have been treated if Riccardo just held his ground (which since the nose of the car is at least 1/3 along Hamilton) and probably sent Hamilton into the wall. Who would actually be blamed, since Hamilton is actually turning in on him and even though he could have stayed to the left?

Also WOW he was CALLED IN?!? Might have to start looking for better team buddy, that's the dumbest thing i've heard a team do in a long time, calling in a driver at the last second only to not be prepared themselves

We can't judge things that didn't happen though and neither can the stewards.

 

[Peasantslayer]

Mercedes already stated during the race that Rosberg had an issue with his brakes during his first stint, which is why he was so slow compared to Hamilton, and allowed him to pass.

I thought I heard that, in a post race interview though Rosberg was trying to put it down to him lacking confidence in the car in those conditions more than anything else.

 

[Jubby]

All I have to say is how disappointing the ultrasoft tires were. Yes, it was damp... but you can't have that compound able to go more than half the race.

 

[Samus]

Interesting stat, unless you're a McLaren fan. Perez has personally scored more podiums since leaving McLaren than they have in the same time. 3 vs 2.

 

[_Springy_]

I thought I heard that, in a post race interview though Rosberg was trying to put it down to him lacking confidence in the car in those conditions more than anything else.

Oh okay, I didn't see that. Rosberg is a confusing driver, when it comes to wet conditions. Over one-lap in such conditions, he's beaten Hamilton a number of times. But over the course of a race, he doesn't seem as confident. Odd.

 

[Samus]

Rosberg obviously had a problem, confidence doesn't make a driver of his calibre that much slower.

 

[_Springy_]

Rosberg obviously had a problem, confidence doesn't make a driver of his calibre that much slower.

In truth it was probably a mixture of both a lack of confidence, and a brake problem. That seems like the most reasonable answer to his lack of pace. Although the minority of die-hard militants in Hamilton's fan base will no doubt put it down to Rosberg being a 'noob'!

 

[Whodoyouthink]

The general atmosphere I perceived was that Monaco tends to feel like a pain in the 🤬 to mostly everyone (team-wise) and the race is the most likely to flat out be thrown away. Where things need to count most, they tend to be screwed up.

Also, I feel we should at least start adding minor time penalties, like tenths of a second, for infractions like what Hamilton pulled at the chicane out of the tunnel. He didn't fully gain an advantage to warrant a stop & go, 5s+, etc type of penalty, but he still should of had a minor consequence I believe. Same goes for the other infractions of similar nature in the day. It's good that we give run off and don't penalize in areas like that with damage to the car, but cutting then driving off and slamming the door in that manner didn't feel like neutral racing.

Anyway, happy for Both McLarens, and Good job from Sergio. Although, I feel disappointed once again from Hulkenburg, because if he can win Le Mans, then why does he keep missing podiums in F1? He seems to be such a great driver, but maybe F1 cars are not his strong point? Maybe the Force Indias don't play well in to his strong points??

 

[Sum1s2pid]

Absolutely gutted for Ricciardo. Good job, Red Bull. /golfclap

 

[_Springy_]

Absolutely gutted for Ricciardo. Good job, Red Bull. /golfclap

The rest of the world to Red Bull right now...

 

[Ryk]

Lewi Shamilton won but hardly in style... cheat cuts a corner then chops Danno.

Darth Marko going to demote the members of the Redbull Alliance (pitlane clowns) to Torro Rosso...

The Force India Awakens - great run by them all.

Max seems to have caught a nasty dose of the Maldanados.

F1 so boring...

 

[Nessy]

First Mercedes win the N24 with a 1,2,3,4 and now my favourite F1 driver wins Monaco and notches up his first win of the season. Yay!!! What a great day!



I feel really bad for Ricciardo though. His pit crew lost him that win. He clearly would have won if it was not for their 🤬 up.

Perez third too. Great race by Force India.

 

[Touring Mars]

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Face Palmer!

I just heard what Ricciardo said over the radio to his mechanics after he crossed the line, very angry young man and I'd be surprised if there are not repercussions from one side or another.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

I was quite impressed how big gap Daniel managed to make over Lewis for final pit stop but team still managed to screw him over two races in a row as lead car. Well done to Lewis on finally getting his 44th win, long time coming. Must feel good after what happened last year, happy that he won.

Nico was really slow last year IIRC and this year. I think in 2013 he was going slower than the backmarkers at the start of the race. He doesn't seem to have confidence to push at this track in the race which seems strange given in qualifying he can drive quite quickly. Going slowly probably puts him out of optimum window of the car so probably compounds problem of lack of confidence. Not as big problem if you are leading though but today he seemed a lot slower than usual probably due to wet track which makes confidence issues even worse than dry.

Daniil & Marcus - Crazy moves to be making there especially Marcus against his own teammate. Kimi, Max, Jolyon and Kevin also had disastrous races.

Well done to Checo and Fernando on getting good positions in the race and holding off faster cars all race long and also to the Hulk for overtaking Nico Rosberg right at the last moment. Good job Lewis didn't lap him in the end. Might be very important in championship battle. Puts Lewis in position potentially to be leading standings after next race, however still a long way to go still if that did happen. Red Bull also might still be in battle.

 

[_Springy_]

Nico was really slow last year IIRC and this year. I think in 2013 he was going slower than the backmarkers at the start of the race. He doesn't seem to have confidence to push at this track in the race which seems strange given in qualifying he can drive quite quickly. Going slowly probably puts him out of optimum window of the car so probably compounds problem of lack of confidence. Not as big problem if you are leading though but today he seemed a lot slower than usual probably due to wet track which makes confidence issues even worse than dry.

Not exactly. In 2013 BOTH Mercedes had to drive really slowly because although they had great one lap pace, they absolutely ate their tyres that year. For example they qualified one-two in Barcelona but, by lap nine, Hamilton was down to sixth. Because the tyre wear was so bad. In the end they finished that race with Rosberg sixth, and Hamilton twelfth. Come Monaco they knew they could win despite their awful tyre wear, as it's nearly impossible to pass; they just had to preserve the tyres. Which they did.

And this year, as we heard the commentators mention several times, Nico had a brake problem. Although he also admitted post-race to not being 100% comfortable today. So it's likely that today his lack of speed was due to a mixture of both a lack of confidence, and a brake problem. However he never normally seems flustered by Monaco at all, so his lack of confidence today was strange.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Not exactly. In 2013 BOTH Mercedes had to drive really slowly because although they had great one lap pace, they absolutely ate their tyres that year. For example they qualified one-two in Barcelona but, by lap nine, Hamilton was down to sixth. Because the tyre wear was so bad. In the end they finished that race with Rosberg sixth, and Hamilton twelfth. Come Monaco they knew they could win despite their awful tyre wear, as it's nearly impossible to pass; they just had to preserve the tyres. Which they did.

And this year, as we heard the commentators mention several times, Nico had a brake problem. Although he also admitted post-race not being 100% comfortable today. So it's likely that today his lack of speed was due to a mixture of both a lack of confidence, and a brake problem. However he never normally seems flustered by Monaco at all, so his lack of confidence today was strange.

They were going seriously slow though. I think a Caterham was lapping around a second a lap faster at start of race and given usual pace advantage, it must really have felt like a bus cruise for Sebastian. In 2015 I think Lewis was something like over 20 seconds ahead of Nico on same strategy before team did blunder. This race both had brake problem IIRC but Lewis was way quicker again, shows how hard it is overtake though even with big speed difference.

 

[_Springy_]

They were going seriously slow though. I think a Caterham was lapping around a second a lap faster at start of race and given usual pace advantage, it must really have felt like a bus cruise for Sebastian. In 2015 I think Lewis was something like over 20 seconds ahead of Nico on same strategy before team did blunder. This race both had brake problem IIRC but Lewis was way quicker again, shows how hard it is overtake though even with big speed difference.

Yes, they were going seriously slow. Because they had to to save the tyres! At the start of last season Nico wasn't just off the pace in Monaco; he was off the pace everywhere. Being trounced by Hamilton in the title in 2014, despite having a sizeable lead early on, really shattered his confidence. However he gradually built himself up again over the course of the season, and I'd say that now, he's in the best form he's ever been in. Just didn't go to plan this weekend.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Yes, they were going seriously slow. Because they had to to save the tyres! At the start of last season Nico wasn't just off the pace in Monaco; he was off the pace everywhere. Being trounced by Hamilton in the title in 2014, despite having a sizeable lead early on, really shattered his confidence. However he gradually built himself up again over the course of the season, and I'd say that now, he's in the best form he's ever been in. Just didn't go to plan this weekend.

Personally think this season Nico hasn't been impressive at all in terms of pace. Been rather fortunate, wonder if this will be turning point in season and Lewis will dominate rest of it.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Fact is that whilst it wasn't the cleanest move, the stewards have decided that Daniel wouldn't have made it past anyway.

He wouldn't have made it past because Hamilton cut him off.

 

[_Springy_]

He wouldn't have made it past because Hamilton cut him off.

Except the difference in drive off the chicane between Hamilton and Ricciardo wasn't such that Ricciardo could have gotten an entire car length in front of Hamilton, before Tabac, and take the inside line. At most he could have tried to hang it round the outside but in damp conditions, with so little grip on the outside, there's no way he could have held onto him round the outside of Tabac; let alone pass. Heck, it's not even a passing place in the dry.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Except the difference in drive off the chicane between Hamilton and Ricciardo wasn't such that Ricciardo could have gotten an entire car length in front of Hamilton, before Tabac, and take the inside line. At most he could have tried to hang it round the outside but in damp conditions, with so little grip on the outside, there's no way he could have held onto him round the outside of Tabac; let alone pass. Heck, it's not even a passing place in the dry.

How many times have we heard Martin Brundle say that if a driver runs wide to retain a position, he should be made to give it up? At any other time, the move coming out of the chicane would have been fine - it's exactly what Rosberg did to Hamilton in Barcelona. The difference here is that Hamilton cut part of the chicane defending against Ricciardo then aggressively moved across, forcing Ricciardo onto a wet patch. That's why it was a dirty move.

 

[Tired Tyres]

How many times have we heard Martin Brundle say that if a driver runs wide to retain a position, he should be made to give it up? At any other time, the move coming out of the chicane would have been fine - it's exactly what Rosberg did to Hamilton in Barcelona. The difference here is that Hamilton cut part of the chicane defending against Ricciardo then aggressively moved across, forcing Ricciardo onto a wet patch. That's why it was a dirty move.

He left him room bias boy. You are always having a go at him.

 

[sems4arsenal]

He left him room bias boy. You are always having a go at him.

I've seen the replay 20 times and still not sure if Lewis deserved a Penalty or not, it certainly was a questionable move so don't see how there is any bias there.

 

[TenEightyOne]

I've seen the replay 20 times and still not sure if Lewis deserved a Penalty or not, it certainly was a questionable move...

Yup, that's why it was questioned. He left enough room though.

How many times have we heard Martin Brundle say that if a driver runs wide to retain a position, he should be made to give it up?

Many. Hamilton didn't retain the position there though, Ricciardo was not trying to pass him there. Intimidate, yes. Pass, no.

Hamilton lost time in the departure which is why Ricciardo was able to have a go. The rules don't say that the space you leave for your opponent has to be a lovely, grippy, lovely piece of tarmac. And it wasn't. The squinty colonial was left reeling by the guts of the plucky Englishman, if you ask me

 

[_Springy_]

How many times have we heard Martin Brundle say that if a driver runs wide to retain a position, he should be made to give it up? At any other time, the move coming out of the chicane would have been fine - it's exactly what Rosberg did to Hamilton in Barcelona. The difference here is that Hamilton cut part of the chicane defending against Ricciardo then aggressively moved across, forcing Ricciardo onto a wet patch. That's why it was a dirty move.

Except Lewis didn't run wide to retain the position. Yes, he out-braked himself going into the chicane, and ended up cutting part of it. However he was in front at the time, and Daniel was not alongside, or attempting an overtake, under braking for the chicane. He was close, yes; but not attempting a pass. That's the sort of situation that Martin Brundle is constantly referring to! A situation which didn't occur here...

Upon exit for the chicane, Hamilton did not aggressively cut across. He ended up in the middle of the track upon exit of the chicane, then drifted right slightly. But key thing is he left enough room; it was marginal, but there was just a cars width there. Oh and I'm not sure if you noticed, but the entire track was wet then. So your 'wet patch' argument, is completely invalid.

 

[Peasantslayer]

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[prisonermonkeys]

I'm not sure if you noticed, but the entire track was wet then. So your 'wet patch' argument, is completely invalid.

If the whole track was wet, why was there a dry line? Why did Ricciardo have to back out and correct his car because of unequal traction the same way he would if he hit a wet patch?

 

[_Springy_]

If the whole track was wet, why was there a dry line? Why did Ricciardo have to back out and correct his car because of unequal traction the same way he would if he hit a wet patch?

Okay, fine! But Lewis was perfectly entitled to force Daniel onto the wet track; as any driver would have been, in that exact situation, regardless of who they were racing. They were both going so slowly at that point, it's not as if it was dangerous. And Lewis did leave a cars width. It was extremely tight, but he did leave just enough space.

 

[MUSC4EVER]

20 seconds added to Werhlin race time drops him to 14t in the race and Ericsson gets a three place penalty for Montreal and points on his license for his part in the Sauber Shambles.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

But Lewis was perfectly entitled to force Daniel onto the wet track; as any driver would have been, in that exact situation, regardless of who they were racing.

Yes, he was entitled to do it - but he cut the chicane. He didn't gain a place for it, but he held one that he shouldn't have kept. And that's why the move was dirty; it looked like Hamilton cut Ricciardo off to stop Ricciardo taking a place that he should have had.