Forza 4 Autovista mode could be standard / premium?

Luminis
So, what's the special technology seen in the Ferrari California? O_o
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Not too much that wasn't already founded in the F430 & 599, tbh, & much of that was built upon the Enzo's.
zr1chris
I cant believe people are still trying to say this little car is legendary when I can think of at least 6-7 better roadsters. This car isn't in the top 5 roadsters but some of you seem to think its in the top 10-20 cars. You guys are entitled to your opinion. Its just way off of what my opinion is.
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Then it looks as if your opinion differs from that of many, many, automobile reviewers; it's a pretty well-shared opinion in the automotive community that the Miata is quite arguably the best roadster money can buy. But, as you said, that's your opinion.

What are these other roadsters you're thinking of, though? Keep in mind that the price of Miata is what highly contributes to its success.
zr1chris
Its got more than the Miata. Its a Ferrari. Enough said. The way its built is far superior.
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This is really all the proof I need to see why you don't have the utmost clue as to what we're talking about.
 
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zr1chris
Its got more than the Miata. Its a Ferrari. Enough said. The way its built is far superior.
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So, "it's a Ferrari" is what makes a car special enough to be in Autovista? Alright then, I can't argue with that 'logic' of yours, neither do I want to :lol:
 
McLaren
Then it looks as if your opinion differs from that of many, many, automobile reviewers; it's a pretty well-shared opinion in the automotive community that the Miata is quite arguably the best roadster money can buy. But, as you said, that's your opinion.
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Your basically saying for the dollar. Its cheap YES you cant buy another for the same price yes. There is a reason why its the cheapest and thats the reason everyone loves them. They are very affordable. Now you cant tell me that if you went to a car lot and they had a Miata and an S2000 for the same price that you would honestly take the Miata.
 
zr1chris
Your basically saying for the dollar. Its cheap YES you cant buy another for the same price yes. There is a reason why its the cheapest and thats the reason everyone loves them. They are very affordable. Now you cant tell me that if you went to a car lot and they had a Miata and an S2000 for the same price that you would honestly take the Miata.
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That's not the reason everyone loves them. It's the way the car drives that makes people love them. Being cheap plays the role because allows near everyone to experience it.

As for the 2, it depends on what I'm doing with it & what Miata generation. NA? Yeah, I'll take the S2000. NB or NC, Miata all the way. If I was buying either of the 2, they'd most certainly be seeing track time & at least down here in DFW, the Miata is the proven car at MSR & ECR.
 
zr1chris
Why cant you 2 just admit your being biased because you are both die hard Miata fans.
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A die hard Miata fan? I'd probably buy an old BMW before I'd ever get a Miata, unless I needed a cheap track car :lol:
I just think it's because we know a car can be pretty much perfect without 200HP under the bonnet.
 
zr1chris
Why cant you 2 just admit your being biased because you are both die hard Miata fans.
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Why can't you admit you're a Miata-hater?

I am not a Miata fan, though. Plain & simple, there are a LOT more cars I'd buy over a Miata. The one quality I retain though, is that I'm not made of pure ignorance; I recognize & give the Miata credit for what it is. I will never agree its the best sports car or in the top 5, but I know it's damn well up there. You've proven to us that you've judged a book by its cover with the Miata & refuse to accept the qualities it has become so famous for.

Still waiting on that better roadsters list as well.
 
McLaren
Why can't you admit you're a Miata-hater?

I am not a Miata fan, though. Plain & simple, there are a LOT more cars I'd buy over a Miata. The one quality I retain though, is that I'm not made of pure ignorance; I recognize & give the Miata credit for what it is. I will never agree its the best sports car or in the top 5, but I know it's damn well up there. You've proven to us that you've judged a book by its cover with the Miata & refuse to accept the qualities it has become so famous for.

Still waiting on that better roadsters list as well.
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Im not a Miata hater. I just dont see the big deal with it. I dont see what makes it legendary or what can actually put it in the top 20 cars of all time.
 
I think this is Legendary, anyone agree?

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This is terribly off topic, but I'll chime in.

The miata doesn't have anything visually interesting about it, or any interesting mechanics about it to explore. Autovista is about getting up close and "touching" the car, and exploring things about it that you can't see on a normal vehicle. Although the car is interesting in the aspect of lightweight affordable and good suspension with no power, what are you going to explore?

It's "legendary" status can be read about in the car description, but it would be a waste of polygons and voice over to get a presentation done on the vehicle in autovista.

The design is bland, materials used are cheap and affordable therefore uninteresting to explore, and no one that is straight or knows any better hangs posters of the miata on their wall wishing for the day they can get behind the wheel and power down the autobahn in it.

Thus, no autovista.
 
Personally, I don't think the Miata is legendary but it is quite popular with AutoX guys. The car is built well and balanced very nicely. Perfect for motorsports fans who want to cruise with the top down on the way to a track event and then toss it in the twisties.

I know this is off topic but I think this is pretty awesome looking for a Miata
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zr1chris
Im not a Miata hater. I just dont see the big deal with it. I dont see what makes it legendary or what can actually put it in the top 20 cars of all time.
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Then don't act like we're insane & obviously die-hard Miata fanboys for life. :rolleyes:

For some of us, we classify the Miata for what it does well at the same time for what it is; it's not a common formula anymore. If you don't think that's legendary, that's your opinion. Don't act like we're all nut jobs, though. As I said, it's a commonly shared opinion amongst the press that the Miata is a very special kind of car & after 20 years of that continued view point, it does stand for something.

You don't judge the Miata for what it looks like. That's not what got it where it is.

Now, if anyone wants to continue to debate it, go here. That's where I will be posting any of my replies regarding it from here forth.
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=208336
 
Well, 90% agreeing that it's a legendary car... I rest my case.

Anyways, this whole debate is kinda pointless until we know how many cars are going ti appear in Autovista. A rough number, at least.
Do I get fifty slots? Well then, quite a lot of cars I'd like to see in Autovista wouldn't make the cut.
A hundred slots? It gets quite a bit easier to decide wheter a car is special enough to be featured there.

My primary point still stands, though: The Ferrari California. No spectacular technology that wasn't featured by other Ferrari already, not a particularily interesting design, not even stunning performance. Hell, not even Clarkson says much nice stuff about it in the Autovista clip. There's not much of a historic reason to add the car, either.
I don't really get its inclusion.

Granted, cars like the Miata are cars that you can 'explore' in real life without too much hassle, but of that's the only thing T10 is going by... Well, let's just say, that wouldn't be what a car enthusiast would do.
 
Digitool
The design is bland, materials used are cheap and affordable therefore uninteresting to explore, and no one that is straight or knows any better hangs posters of the miata on their wall wishing for the day they can get behind the wheel and power down the autobahn in it.

Thus, no autovista.
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LMAO! I hate to say it but I've been thinking the same thing since the name Miata was dropped in here. Just kept quiet about it. lol. Still respect the car and what you guys are talking about but the only way you'll catch me in one is if it's the only keys left at the rental counter
 
Why do you keep acknowledging that it's off topic, then continue talking about it? :irked:
 
Luminis
With its Super HICAS, the ATTESA ET-S all wheel drive system, the famous RB26DETT, the computer screen on the inside and all that fame it has, as it's peobably one of the most well known Japanese performance cars, I think there's a good chance we'll see it, alongside the GT-R and maybe a Z-car.

I'm pretty certain T10 will not pick super expensive exotics only, but some of the 'legendary' cars as well - like the Mazda Miata, too, for example.
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Yes! I hope they put in the Miata too, defenently deserves it.

A car doesn't have to be fast, or expensive to be a legendary car, just the mark it made on people. I don't think the GT40 would have been considered legendary if it hadn't won the 24 Hours of Le Mans. Nor do I think the Miata would have if it didn't sell great for people looking to race, or just have fun. So lets end this petty argument before locking this thread, and get on to the topic. Lets take it over to the Cars in General forums, where Luminis has kindly created a thread for it already.

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I hate to revive this thread but it looks like some of what I was afraid of, is happening with this Autovista. They just announced that the Warthog will only be available to LOOK at in Autovista. We wont be able to drive it. So IMO it really shouldnt even count as a vehicle in the game. It leans way too much toward the standard/ premium problem with GT5. Only being able to use certain vehicles for certain things. And not being able to drive a vehicle at all just doesnt make sense to me. Why have it in the game at all if we cant drive it?

Bogie 19th
Confirmed..but you can't drive it...:

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If it makes you feel better think off it a a glorified museum card.

I'm pretty glad these won't be spamming online races tbh.

Doesn't affect me in the slightest. Found it rather odd its even in a Forza game.
 
Thing is a bitch to drive anway. I don't think I could turn it through one set of cones on autocross, lol. That all wheel steering messes with me.
 
I dont see autovista as premium cars - I just see them as cars you can interact with and in my opinion do not value the cars they will include in autovista any better than the rest in the game, unlike GT5 where everyone knows the premiums look better !
 
There is an obvious subtle difference.

Some people's views are that if you can't do it 100% don't do it at all.

In Forza if you can't Autovista every model it won't affect your core experience.
If autovista was abandoned totally it won't affect your core experience.

In GT I'm afraid it does affect your core experience and stares you in the face.

It really is an old argument now.
I don't believe in a standard premium in Forza.
If anything going by the benchmark phrases it's premium and super premium but it's not even that.
 

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