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Forza Motorsport 5 |OT| Where dreams are Realised
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The Xbox One will have dedicated servers for EVERY multiplayer game. That's been known for a long time. That is nothing new but still awesome for those that don't already know.
24 players online is quite surprising. I was happy with 16. That would explain a little more about the lack of weather and night racing. I would prefer 16 players with night / weather racing. Rather than 24 players. Just my opinion. I am guessing it will only be 24 players for certain tracks. Will be surprised if that is for all tracks.
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If T10 went back to that, I'm getting FM5.I like to work to unlock stuff, that's what I adore about GT, I want to work to get what I want.
EDIT: On second thought, nevermind. I don't want it.
But FM5 is still on my list. 
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I count ~183 total cars that were new to the series beginning with FM4 and its DLC. 183 plus 120 new for FM5 is 303 total not counting the older remodeled cars or whether Horizon DLC will make the cut.
List found on Forza.net forums, credit to TheSagaris458, bolded entries are my amendments.
ATTN: While fairly comprehensive, this list is incomplete.
List found on Forza.net forums, credit to TheSagaris458, bolded entries are my amendments.
ATTN: While fairly comprehensive, this list is incomplete.
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Edit: I re-read your post.
I only singled out the cars that were new in FM4 and its DLC because that's the game that T10 began Autovista-ing cars for. It would make sense if they already had a game plan for FM5 (which it's safe to assume they did), they would've probably already gotten (other people) to work modeling the inside-y bits of those new cars.
Also, here's a shot of the 1985 Lancia Delta S4 from Horizon mod-ed into Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas. Note the relatively well-detailed doorsills, engine, suspension components.
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I'm well versed in the Xbone's features. I was just adding to the fact that we learned FM5's gonna have 24 players, not remarking it as something just discovered. Because 24 players on a peer system might've been screwy, and I wouldn't have been as excited, but on Azure it should be no problem. That's why I affixed "and dedicated servers!" to it.
It would be really weird if only certain tracks supported 24 players, I can't see it happening at all, has to be all or nothing.
I'm really over the whole "next-gen racing titles need dynamic weather and lighting," because I know most people really only want to try it out a couple times and will be done with it. From a developer perspective, why would it be worth struggling to implement such features when the payoff's not going to be very worthy (people aren't going to use it much)?
Anyway, we'll have Project Cars that'll have that next year, so you don't have to wait till FM6 to get your fix with that. Every track there will have both day/night cycles and weather as it's currently planned.
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Not trying to single you out here, just that I keep seeing pcars this pcars that thrown around all over the place. There are a few caveats to pcars that no one seems to acknowledge.
1. it's launching on 360/ps3 with no "next-gen" plans (yet)
this means...
2. nothing that works in the pc version is going to work on the console version.
i'm guessing the console version has 16 (or less) cars on track, no weather, max 30fps. All the content (cars/tracks) will be there but they're going to be vastly stripped down.
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Wondering where you got that information, do you have a manager toolpack?
Afaik, next generation consoles are off the table, current gen's already funded but they're looking at opening funding back up to gear up for next-gen. All depends on how the core guys decide to go forth. So it is planned yes, but only in a weird sort of contingency.
Also, they're aiming to make the console version 100% in line feature-wise with the PC. The only differences will be a lower fidelity tire model and graphics and a few other little token caveats. From what I've read, rain and sun cycle is included. I've seen it in the PS3 build from some screenshots shared by a dev. So yeah, even on the Xbox 360, people could enjoy things like more dynamic tracks in pCars if they really feel like they're missing out on that in FM5.
But I've already stated how I feel on those features anyway.
Don't want to turn this into a pCars thread since we have one already, just straightening that out.
I wonder if FM5 will have an unlicensed faux F1 car kind of like how FM4 had those stock cars, V8SC, and DTM ones. 24 cars is a full F1 field
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I just read that the 24 players online was a mistake and corrected by MS. I'll find a link. Although I still expect atleast that many for an Xbone game. Battlefield 4 with 64players proves high player count is achievable.
http://www.examiner.com/article/mic...urate?cid=PROG-Article-GamesHub-TopTen-Forza5
http://www.examiner.com/article/mic...urate?cid=PROG-Article-GamesHub-TopTen-Forza5
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There's no comparison between FPS's and racing games though. It's a single person character versus a highly detailed car with a lot of calculations involved in its tracking and movement. The only way they can fit more cars in FM4, for example, is by reducing the graphics quality, from what I know at least. It's all about that balance.
And I hope it's at least bumped up to 20 if 24 ends up being a stretch. That would be great, but any increase at all is more than welcome.
And I hope it's at least bumped up to 20 if 24 ends up being a stretch. That would be great, but any increase at all is more than welcome.
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Battlefield 4 has massive huge maps, vehicles, and destructible environments everywhere and 64 players in one game. That takes a ton of memory and processing power. I don't know where you got the "its a single person character" thing from. If you think 24 cars on track is a stretch for next gen I dunno what to tell you, that's only 8 more cars than current consoles.
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I said, "if it ends up being a stretch," 'cause really, I have no idea man, do you? Are you a developer? Right. It seems simple enough to us for them to add x number of cars, but we don't know what goes into making it work.
I don't know how you could possibly compare a game like Battlefield to Forza in terms of player count, it's totally different. Battlefield can run more than a hundred players per game if they wanted to but they chose 64 as their sweet spot for gameplay to work best within their map design. And while there's 32 players max per team, there's only around a dozen vehicles per side at max (besides Armored Fury maps), and the physics of those vehicles isn't nearly as complex as any sim. If they tried to approach that level of dynamics they'd put a much bigger load on the CPU, slowing the game down, which would force them to limit the amount of vehicles.
The dynamics of cars in Forza, per vehicle, is way more expansive and detailed, in the 3D mesh/model itself as well. That's why there can only be so many cars, it's a limit weighed against how pretty they want the game to look. More pretty = less cars, less pretty = more.
PC sims can run more because computers can handle them more easily. If you have trouble running a sim with more than 20 cars on track you turn down the graphics settings, which you can't on consoles obviously.
I don't know how you could possibly compare a game like Battlefield to Forza in terms of player count, it's totally different. Battlefield can run more than a hundred players per game if they wanted to but they chose 64 as their sweet spot for gameplay to work best within their map design. And while there's 32 players max per team, there's only around a dozen vehicles per side at max (besides Armored Fury maps), and the physics of those vehicles isn't nearly as complex as any sim. If they tried to approach that level of dynamics they'd put a much bigger load on the CPU, slowing the game down, which would force them to limit the amount of vehicles.
The dynamics of cars in Forza, per vehicle, is way more expansive and detailed, in the 3D mesh/model itself as well. That's why there can only be so many cars, it's a limit weighed against how pretty they want the game to look. More pretty = less cars, less pretty = more.
PC sims can run more because computers can handle them more easily. If you have trouble running a sim with more than 20 cars on track you turn down the graphics settings, which you can't on consoles obviously.
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24 player as an error wouldn't surprise me. As for large amount of players, Frontlines Fuel Of War proved the console could easily host 50 player battles and that game is from 2008.
However if F5 is 16 players and still no night weather then that makes it look even worse. I could almost understand no night weather if it had 24 players but if it only has 16 and still no night weather. Then that's even more ouch. Lack of night weather is something I will never be able to defend for F5 on the next gen console. I barely found it acceptable on the 360 but not having it on the X1 is just insulting IMO. Just bitter about night weather. Just kills me that almost all the other racing games have weather/ night racing, yet Forza doesn't. Very happy about Bathurst. Nice to see my top favorite track finally in Forza.
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It's still a launch title, though. They're working with new hardware, so it makes sense that they would want to get the base game working perfectly(Or at least as close as possible) and start adding in the extremely complex stuff like weather and night racing in later versions.
Night racing seems odd to be left out, but as far as I'm aware Forza's lighting system isn't anything like any of the other racing games featuring night racing, so there might be complications to work around that we don't know of.
I'm not saying the lack of those features shouldn't be counted against them, just that there's likely a good reason for it. I have a feeling they want that little bullet point on the back of the cover as much as anyone, since such a feature would be a huge boost to sales.
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^ Excellent points. 👍
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Was down at Turn10 Studios, great progress on Forza 5. Lots of shiny Forza cars on track at 60fps at launch of new generation.
Was down at Turn10 Studios, great progress on Forza 5. Lots of shiny Forza cars on track at 60fps at launch of new generation.
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I can let no dynamic time/weather slide for Forza 5 because of time limits and moving to a new console. But come Forza 6, if at least one of them isn't there, no excuse.
Not to turn it into a GT vs Forza thread, but if PD can do it with GT5 on the PS3 (granted on limited tracks), then T10 can do it with Forza on a vastly more powerful console.
^ No need for GT vs Forza specifically, night racing and weather were relatively common options in even '90s racing games (sometimes for all tracks, unlike GT5). Of course, they were cheaper effects then; what really seems to be stopping Turn 10 is that they don't want to incorporate it unless they can make it look as stunning as the rest of the game. Perhaps a bit less perfectionism in that respect wouldn't hurt. Horizon's nighttime lighting wasn't as great as modern NFS games but it was fine and it meant we actually got the feature.
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My personal feeling as to why T10 didn't add dynamic time of day to FM5 was because they didn't have enough time to add it to every track. I believe they would rather leave that feature out unless its properly applied to the entire game.
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I believe you are right to an extent. However it worked incredible in PGR4. And I know T10 has members from PGR that have been working on Forza since Forza 3. So some of it is wanting to do it "right" and some of it has already been listed in this thread. If the weather effects were anywhere near as good as PGR4 I would be way beyond happy. Its even pretty decent in TDU2. Really good in Dirt and the F1 series. PGR4 had some of the best weather effects I have seen. F1 2012 is right there with PGR4 IMO. GT weather effects are not so good but at least they are trying. Looks good inside the car. Its outside when its rough. Still, something is better than nothing IMO. Right now Forza has nothing in terms of night or weather. And its on the next gen console.
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my guess is if it isn't 100% right then they aren't going to introduce it on a new console.
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Just cobbling on features without making the game a consistent quality is exactly what they're trying to avoid. It would hurt to "just add it". Because if they add it just as a small side feature just to add it as a bullet point, people will complain that they did that. If they throw a half baked feature into the core game and make it something that can't be avoided people will complain about that as well. If they can't do it to a high standard, they're better off not doing it until they can.
If Forza's lighting engine is really as complex as it's hyped up to be, then having upwards of 32 points of constantly moving light, along with a single massive one, could be a lot more complex than you'd think. Especially since Forza's got pretty heavily detailed reflections of cars on other cars, meaning they would also need to find a way to get the headlight reflection to look good. They'd also have to worry about illuminating the interior if they wanted to make it look right, so there's more to be considered than just tacking some headlights onto them and killing the sun.
As far as I've seen the only game that ever got close to really nailing the way headlights interact with other cars on the track are the Dirt and Grid series, which both have the same lighting engine. And neither have the physics complexity or car detail of Forza.
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As far as the night driving bit - I think they're doing it on purpose so players and fans have something to look forward to when the next Forza arrives, and eagerly get in line to continue purchasing their products.
Take the wheel animation for instance: they still haven't gotten that right in FM5. It's probably done on purpose, to keep gamers yearning for more, hoping they'll get everything right in the next installment.
Marketing 101! The way I see it T10 has absolutely no excuse not to include night driving, or bring back tracks from previous Forzas. Or fix something as petty as the wheel animation; from the cockpit view it does rob away the realism and immersion.
Anyhoo, all this hoopla aside, if the Xbox One gets a little affordable by next year, just might pick it up for FM5. Wouldn't want to miss out on all the wonderful improvements!
Take the wheel animation for instance: they still haven't gotten that right in FM5. It's probably done on purpose, to keep gamers yearning for more, hoping they'll get everything right in the next installment.
Marketing 101! The way I see it T10 has absolutely no excuse not to include night driving, or bring back tracks from previous Forzas. Or fix something as petty as the wheel animation; from the cockpit view it does rob away the realism and immersion.
Anyhoo, all this hoopla aside, if the Xbox One gets a little affordable by next year, just might pick it up for FM5. Wouldn't want to miss out on all the wonderful improvements!
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I doubt this. There's a list as long as you want to make it of features that could be included in such a racing game. There's hardly any need to ration them like they're running out.
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