Forza Motorsport 7: General Discussion
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The game feels incredibly uninspired, unfinished/untested and it definitely screams of being rushed. Evidence of this is how the game has the exact same glitches and performance issues as Horizon 3 at launch. They didn't even bothered to test it? Didn't they learn from experience? I am definitely new to Forza (switched only three years ago), having started with 3, not long after with 4, then buying an Xbone for Forza 6 exclusively and lastly Horizon 3. These games are so great that I had a slight fear that it was really impossible to do something better. With Forza 7, all I can think is that decided to do something different in fear of being accused of putting out the same thing every time. But this new game simply didn't work over the proven formula. What is worst is that it makes all those "cash-grabbing" features more obvious.
The end result is just a convoluted mess. That is honestly how it feels. You play this game for the first time and there is really nothing new or ground-breaking other than the better graphics, driver gear and all those banal features like loot crates. At it's core (career), it is just a very watered-down experience compared to older Forza's. Sure there are new cars, but most of them are hidden behind the new "car collecting" system. Though an interesting concept, it is very flawed. And even a bunch of old cars are impossible to reach at first, being locked away by tiers, or being random prizes from loot crates.
For me, the biggest offender here is the new super-restrictive career. A new word that I have learned to hate... "Homologate." There was absolutely no reason why they would chose to go this path, when in other Forzas you had absolute freedom. Forza 3 had the "No restrictions" option after completing the main career. That expanded the replay value so much. Forza 4 and 6 had the option to run your car despite it didn't meet the requirement, as long as it didn't exceed the PI. Horizon 3 went even further, letting any restriction aside and just matching the A.I's PI to yours, even letting you modify the event entirely. Heck! Even letting you chose your opponents.
Honestly, I don't think T10 cared about the core features of the game, or the quality. They just grabbed everything they could from previous games, quickly added a few cars, tracks, bumped everything to 4K and they just flat-out focused on rigging the game for microtransactions. Killing the essence of what VIP had been for the past decade is the most blatant evidence of this. Honestly? this game feels like a freemium phone app...
Oh boy...
I got carried away there. Rant over.
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Got the 3 extra VIP cars, PLUS an Maserati Gran Tourismo S Forza Edition?
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The priciest crates are exactly the same amount of credits as the priciest mod packs were in FM6 (300k), and that hardly ever put a dent in the amount of money I had.
I just did a 30 lap race around VIR that took right around an hour to complete. Excluding the AI bonus and the mod bonus, it gave me 140,000CR. Adding the AI bonus brings you to a maximum 280,000CR, and with the upcoming change to VIP rewards that'll end up being a total of 420,000CR. Assuming once the update lands they don't take away your VIP mod cards and that you still have some left and use 3 of them, that's another 420,000CR for a total of 840,000CR... The only difference is that the wheelspins are gone and that the level up bonuses are a lot less generous, but still, within a few months I expect most of us will have so much money we won't know what to do with it.
Can't wait to see 700 versions of the same Fast and Furious R34s and Evos and S15s everywhere. I wish most of these "legendary" painters could show creativity... most of them just copy-paste the same design to every car they can and watch the money roll in. Except our pal @PJTierney of course, he's a good dude and his work is second to none. 👍
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Anyone else also received an NSX FE from T10 on top of the Camaro, Jag and Maserati?
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^ It's ok I love a good rant myself 
In all seriousness, I haven't tried the Forza's Cup aspect of the game so can't comment. So far the game feels pretty solid in Free Play. The two cars I tested before flying off to warmer climes (in Tenerife currently
) were the Z06 and the Touareg on the Nurburgring. Both cars had a good sense of weight. The Chevy felt quick and nimble whereas the VW felt clumsy and cumbersome.
Graphics are very good, haven't tried fog, rain or snow yet. The idea of Car Collecting actually appeals to me. There's more incentive to progress through Career and keeping an eye out for rare cars in the Speciality Dealer is quite exciting.
The Homologation idea is very bad though. Looks like I'll need to buy two models of the same car. One for the Forza Cup and the other to race and test stock in Free Play. FE cars do piss me off big time however. That was just shoddy, lazy and greedy from T10.
In all seriousness, I haven't tried the Forza's Cup aspect of the game so can't comment. So far the game feels pretty solid in Free Play. The two cars I tested before flying off to warmer climes (in Tenerife currently
) were the Z06 and the Touareg on the Nurburgring. Both cars had a good sense of weight. The Chevy felt quick and nimble whereas the VW felt clumsy and cumbersome. Graphics are very good, haven't tried fog, rain or snow yet. The idea of Car Collecting actually appeals to me. There's more incentive to progress through Career and keeping an eye out for rare cars in the Speciality Dealer is quite exciting.
The Homologation idea is very bad though. Looks like I'll need to buy two models of the same car. One for the Forza Cup and the other to race and test stock in Free Play. FE cars do piss me off big time however. That was just shoddy, lazy and greedy from T10.
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On the topic of homologation, I think I'm actually one of the few that seems to like it. I like more structured races that make sense instead of having a Jeep Willys beat a Lamborghini and such nonsense. But I can understand that tuners don't like it and it removes a lot of freedom.
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lol my game had a fit, threw me out of the prize receiving page, I rebooted it and it gave me 50 loot boxes to open (my current lvl) all over again, carried on playing through the career mode for the rest of the evening without a hitch...So that was nice
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Which are what exactly? The general consensus here seems to be that nobody sees any need to spend real world currency on the game, and the game is throwing cars/money at you the instant you decide to do more than 5 laps.
There's nothing flawed about it; Gran Turismo worked this way for years forcing you to grind races or do difficult challenges to unlock every car. I didn't once see any complaints about it in my decade-plus time here until GT6 & that was due to the lack of uninspiring career.
Whilst I have not tested it, this may be possible given you have the option to "Install Stock Parts" at the tuning screen before a race.
The gross exaggeration of this is ridiculous, and makes it hard to take this rant seriously.Honestly, I don't think T10 cared about the core features of the game, or the quality. They just grabbed everything they could from previous games, quickly added a few cars, tracks, bumped everything to 4K and they just flat-out focused on rigging the game for microtransactions. Killing the essence of what VIP had been for the past decade is the most blatant evidence of this. Honestly? this game feels like a freemium phone app...
Oh boy...
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I've had this complaint since probably Forza 4 (or any game that does it really), but it somehow seems worse in 7. I get the realism, but why bring a real life annoyance to a videogame? If not turn it off completely at least make it less distracting.
I couldn't agree more. I was hoping they would carry that over from FH3 and I was disappointed to find in FM7 that it's so restrictive. I pick a car I want to drive, maybe do some mods, and suddenly it's out of homolgation restrictions.
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I’m running another Underdog Achievement session tonight, come join: https://www.trueachievements.com/gamingsession.aspx?gamingsessionid=702231
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Thanks to the amazing Daytona Glitch, I now have almost every car manufacturer and track driver suit, which are the only ones I really care about. Oddly, I didn't get the Mitsubishi and Hockenheimring gear and I can't get them now because the game offers me mods instead.
Will you be hosting this on the weekends? That's really the only time I'll have a chance to participate.
Will you be hosting this on the weekends? That's really the only time I'll have a chance to participate.
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I’ll be hosting or joining sessions until I get the Achievement.
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After this VIP fix I think we should complain about them using VIP cars to come up with final car count numbers. Don't stop complaining until they patch in the Country Squire, Syclone, Reliant Regal etc.
I'm half joking but I do miss those cars.
I'm half joking but I do miss those cars.
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Mark my words, three months from now we'll have topics complaining about how FM7's economy is "broken" and how the game offers no progression and handles you everything without requiring any effort. I'd sit there drinking a tall glass of "I told you so", but alas the average Forza player has the memory and attention span of a goldfish on LSD.
Because if they didn't there'd be at least 12 different topics on the official forums complaining about the lack of windshield reflections, and if they packed every single option people ask in the game, it'd likely weight about 300 GB (and I am only half joking, adding different levels of reflection for the windshield alone could well be a multi-GB option depending on how the game handles reflection mapping).
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I absolutely don't understand people that bag on how bad Forza 7 is, and how much better Pcars2 is. Yet two or three posts later, turn around and say how they bought Forza 7, and talk like it's not that bad? There's several of you all running around like that. Y'all are some bipolar people. 
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If that demo is anything to go by then you should never buy a Porsche 911 GT2 or if you do you must swap the tyres immediately because it can’t even negotiate slight highway curves at 80mph without either plowing into the wall or the rear of the car sliding out massively.
Likewise the SuperGT GTR handled worse than the CWTS truck on the Nurburgring GP course and had a bizarre tendency to drive nothing like a high downforce car but instead like a street car with very grippy tyres. Odd since even the older games in the series had a decent representation of the speed-downforce relationship.
I mean it’s still fun but having been away from the series since FM5 it just doesn’t seem the same as it once did :-(
Likewise the SuperGT GTR handled worse than the CWTS truck on the Nurburgring GP course and had a bizarre tendency to drive nothing like a high downforce car but instead like a street car with very grippy tyres. Odd since even the older games in the series had a decent representation of the speed-downforce relationship.
I mean it’s still fun but having been away from the series since FM5 it just doesn’t seem the same as it once did :-(
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Fair enough, they probably couldn't make it an option to turn on or off (or more or less noticeable). I suppose my complaint is that the reflections are not opaque enough and they're noticeable and distracting. Windshield reflections are not something you notice in real life, you sorta just look through them, but in FM7 it seems they can actually block your view in some cases, making it tough to see.
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Apparently, the demo is not anything to go by on that car, as I've heard it's been fixed for the full game. As it sits, the car drives very well and was quite fun.
It was a race with rain/wet track, I don't think it would have handled better in that scenario.
Driving in general this time around seems better. Tendency toward oversteer has been reduced, and the cars seem adequately grippy. Only have a handful of cars so far, but I've been enjoying it.
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I'm looking at it from this side of the coin as well. In previous Forzas you'd have to basically shove in every racing part to make most cars competitive, and that resulted in all the personality being stripped out and replaced by the generic race handling model. And even then you still always got one or two rocket cars that could still just fly away from everyone else because their power-to-weight ratio was all out of whack from being overtuned. That seems to be a lot less prevalent now, and it's made singleplayer feel actually... well, interesting.
Plus having to work within the division restrictions is proving to be an interesting challenge in itself, as the standard homologation setup always has room for improvement and it takes some experimenting to find the right combination of parts to make the most of the limit that's set. Not having to back out to the main menu to fiddle around with this takes a lot of the pain out of it too, so it's not nearly as annoying as it could be.
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