Forza Motorsport 7: General Discussion

[Nielsen]

Not that it really matters, but I'm surprised Forza hasn't posted some "FM7 Out Now" article on the official website. I thought that was standard practice nowadays.

As someone who plays for the cars rather than the racing, I feel like way too many cars are locked away. I was just checking the Tier 1 car list. There are 157 cars. 25 are locked. That's almost 16%. It frustrates me that I can't just buy the cars I want.

I agree, but at least all cars can be driven as rentables.

 

[chris4652009]

I just want to play it!!!!

 

[chris4652009]

To elaborate, a popular glitch attempts to force this as crashing on this screen gives you a number of Rewards equal to your current Driver Level. I won’t share the method as it involves deliberately breaking your game but it’s not hard to find online.

I just want to play it. !!!!

 

[chris4652009]

How do I get it out of the crashing cycle please?

 

[HuskyGT]

such as?

Loot boxes. And although it is not mandatory to buy (future tokens) them, the way the reward system works seems to push players to use them. Add how expensive they are and you see how some might be enticed to get them. For is who don't means the inability to get some rewards, or endless grinding.

 

[PJTierney]

How do I get it out of the crashing cycle please?

Is it crashing after every race? Try a hard reset.

If that fails we can’t really help and you need to contact Xbox support.

 

[Northstar]

Loot boxes. And although it is not mandatory to buy (future tokens) them

Where did you hear they you will be able to use tokens to buy them?

 

[HuskyGT]

Which are what exactly? The general consensus here seems to be that nobody sees any need to spend real world currency on the game, and the game is throwing cars/money at you the instant you decide to do more than 5 laps.

There's nothing flawed about it; Gran Turismo worked this way for years forcing you to grind races or do difficult challenges to unlock every car. I didn't once see any complaints about it in my decade-plus time here until GT6 & that was due to the lack of uninspiring career.

Whilst I have not tested it, this may be possible given you have the option to "Install Stock Parts" at the tuning screen before a race.

The gross exaggeration of this is ridiculous, and makes it hard to take this rant seriously.

Multi quote.. classic. You don't need to agree with me. I've been playing games like these since 1998. I know how they work. I also know when the experience begins to be watered down and restricted for the developer's benefit. A huge exa.ple of this was Gran Turismo 5 and 6. Remember the credit packs? Remember how decent credit rewards were diminished when compared to their prequels? Remember no more prize repeats? Or what about the preposterous price of so cars?

See, things like these that were so enjoyable from older versions if these titles have no reason to be removed, unless... Well; I'll let you guess.

And yes. The career mode is a convoluted mess. The whole game is. If you don't feel that way then good for you.

 

[Snorevette]

It's not a "sizeable number". In total, the number of cars that can only be obtained through Milestone updates is nine (of which five are either Forza Edition cars or livery variations for vehicles that can otherwise be bought from the regular dealer), and there are zero cars that can only be obtained through loot crates. Many of the cars that are currently "inaccessible" are either awarded for completion of Showcase events / career "Championships", or will likely be future Forzathon prizes / Specialty Dealer items, and can't be in any case obtained through loot crates or Milestones.

And this has nothing to do with the people actually complaining because VIP doesn't give them twice the credits per race anymore, of which there are many.

Forzathon prizes and the Specialty dealer are time limited, effectively random in the sense that you can't predict what will turn up until they're announced, often online-only in terms of Forzathons in particular, and we have no idea how they'll work since we've seen completely regular cars and duplicates of older rewards turn up in Forzathons in the past. This puts the number of cars that are still arbitrarily locked before a certain time, before you buy enough loot crates, or before you can afford their likely exorbitant prices at the auction house at an absolutely sizeable 113.

Regardless, like I said, the majority of people I've seen were complaining about Microsoft/T10s misleading business practices, not the economy itself - many people I've seen have said if they'd announced the change to VIP beforehand they would've been entirely fine with it.

 

[ImaRobot]

Multi quote.. classic.

Yeah, so it makes it easier to reply to specific points.

You don't need to agree with me

That part is quite obvious. However, that shouldn't stop you from explaining the things you've said, as some of it doesn't really add up.

I also know when the experience begins to be watered down and restricted for the developer's benefit

Is this related to those "Cash grabbing features"? Can you finally expand on those and explain what features are cash grabbing features?

Remember the credit packs? Remember how decent credit rewards were diminished when compared to their prequels? Remember no more prize repeats? Or what about the preposterous price of so cars?

Forza 7 has diminished rewards? Forza 7 has no more prize repeats? I give that Forza 7 has some expensive cars, but the way you earn money is not very hard, especially now.

See, things like these that were so enjoyable from older versions if these titles have no reason to be removed, unless... Well; I'll let you guess.

What was removed in relation to what you're talking about?

And yes. The career mode is a convoluted mess. The whole game is. If you don't feel that way then good for you.

It's actually extremely straight forward, and simple. You have a selection of what, 9-12 races in each cup with certain guidlines and restrictions, netting you rewards upon completion. Whats convoluted about it?

 

[HuskyGT]

Where did you hear they you will be able to use tokens to buy them?

Nowhere really. But it would be naive to think otherwise.

At the end of the day I am just pissed about the Homologate feature and how it is forced instead of optional. The second reason is the performance on PC. And I know someone will just come out and say it's on my end and that my computer sucks. But hey, you can't win always.

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

As someone who plays for the cars rather than the racing, I feel like way too many cars are locked away. I was just checking the Tier 1 car list. There are 157 cars. 25 are locked. That's almost 16%. It frustrates me that I can't just buy the cars I want.

You'll probably be able to buy them soon.
Forza 2 had several cars that were locked behind career races and region selection but someone was always putting them up in the auction house for sale so it was possible to get them easy enough. We'll see if it turns out the same in 7 once they activate the auction house.

 

[HuskyGT]

Yeah, so it makes it easier to reply to specific points.


That part is quite obvious. However, that shouldn't stop you from explaining the things you've said, as some of it doesn't really add up.


Is this related to those "Cash grabbing features"? Can you finally expand on those and explain what features are cash grabbing features?


Forza 7 has diminished rewards? Forza 7 has no more prize repeats? I give that Forza 7 has some expensive cars, but the way you earn money is not very hard, especially now.


What was removed in relation to what you're talking about?


It's actually extremely straight forward, and simple. You have a selection of what, 9-12 races in each cup with certain guidlines and restrictions, netting you rewards upon completion. Whats convoluted about it?

Yeah, you win. I lack the intelligence or ease of speech to counter anything thrown at me. All of my points are vague and lack sense. I simply don't know how to express myself, so I appologize.

I still feel things could be done better. The little I saw from the game felt like a step backwards compared to previous F orzas. Except the graphics and physics.

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

Loot boxes. And although it is not mandatory to buy (future tokens) them, the way the reward system works seems to push players to use them. Add how expensive they are and you see how some might be enticed to get them. For is who don't means the inability to get some rewards, or endless grinding.

The loot boxes especially the two cheaper ones more than pay for themselves in as little as one race so if you use them wisely you gain more credits than you spend.

Edit For example:
Last night I bought 1 20k loot box, the assortment of mods in it were the worst I have gotten so far and still using 3 of the 4 mods from the box I earned an extra 29.6k on the next race and one of those 3 I used had 3 uses on it so even after I gained the 9.6k I still had what amounts to 3 mods left over which could very well earn me another 20-30k over the next couple of races.

Also keep in mind I used these in career mode with the races set to long 7-13 laps depending on the track. If I used them in freeplay on a longer race I would have gotten more profit.

 

[Snorevette]

The loot boxes especially the two cheaper ones more than pay for themselves in as little as one race so if you use them wisely you gain more credits than you spend.

Not especially, only. I can tell you from experience with the Ram Runner method that none of the non-mod crates pay for themselves at all.

 

[ImaRobot]

Yeah, you win. I lack the intelligence or ease of speech to counter anything thrown at me. All of my points are vague and lack sense. I simply don't know how to express myself, so I appologize.

There's nothing to win here, but I fail to see how you can write many paragraphs about things, but when challenged on certain aspects you resort to posting this.

I'm still wondering about those cash grabbing tactics within the game.

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

Not especially, only. I can tell you from experience with the Ram Runner method that none of the non-mod crates pay for themselves at all.

Some do but yes driver gear and award badges does not do much for you and the cars I have gotten from them were nothing special, sometimes you'll get a good mod in one.
I have tried them all at least once but if I am going to buy a loot box now it will almost always be one of the mod crates as they are a good deal and maybe if I feel lucky I'll gamble on one of the others

 

[Populuxe]

Where did you hear they you will be able to use tokens to buy them?

It's confirmed that tokens are coming: https://www.gtplanet.net/turn-10-confirms-microtransaction-plans-forza-7/

 

[chris4652009]

Is it crashing after every race? Try a hard reset.

If that fails we can’t really help and you need to contact Xbox support.

It was yes. I shut it down and left it unplugged while I walked the dog. Just fired it up and all is good again.

For now.

Thanks

 

[C-ZETA]

I really do think that the classic cars are better to drive than the modern ones in this game. I say this because I've found another vintage GT racer to call one of my favourites, the Aston DBR1. Took it to Road Atlanta and, once I figured it out, it was really damn good. Go drive it. It's worth it.

 

[-Fred-]

So the drivatars have stopped getting stuck on the water fountain chicane at Long Beach like they did on FM6, instead they all seem to clip the outside wall coming out of it. I did a 13 lap race in the V8 Supercars and poor @prousonhairy's drivatar pitted 11 times during the race. Speaking of which, the Altima has been modeled with the wrong wheels, but thankfully you can put the correct Racing Dynamics COTF wheels on it and it doesn't change the PI.

 

[Populuxe]

I really do think that the classic cars are better to drive than the modern ones in this game. I say this because I've found another vintage GT racer to call one of my favourites, the Aston DBR1. Took it to Road Atlanta and, once I figured it out, it was really damn good. Go drive it. It's worth it.

The nice thing is you can win that car by racing the Moments in Motorsport - Vintage GT Racing showcase in the Masters Championship.

 

[McLaren]

Nowhere really. But it would be naive to think otherwise.

At the end of the day I am just pissed about the Homologate feature and how it is forced instead of optional. The second reason is the performance on PC. And I know someone will just come out and say it's on my end and that my computer sucks. But hey, you can't win always.

It’s automatically turned on but it is also optional if the game is allowing you to install stock parts before a race.

@ImaRobot basically nailed our previous convo; why aren’t you elaborating on your reasoning instead of acting like it’s a contest to win? I challenged your point bc I think you may be jumping to conclusion a without actually exploring what you have critique with. For example:

Loot boxes. And although it is not mandatory to buy (future tokens) them, the way the reward system works seems to push players to use them. Add how expensive they are and you see how some might be enticed to get them. For is who don't means the inability to get some rewards, or endless grinding.

With the amount of rewards being given, where have you been pushed to use the loot crates? I’ve already said on here before that even the most expensive at 300,000cr can be made back fairly easily with the mod cards inside, Long races, and higher AI difficulty.

The only reason I could see to push their use is the cars you can get from them; however, it appears there are no cars unique to them. Cars are unlocked through showcases/specific challenges, the specialty dealer, or awarded through the driver level system (that doesn’t offer cars you already own/selected but can not afford). So, whatever cars/Gear you get from the crates may very well be equally available through leveling up.

Edit* Reading the “What did you get Loot Crate” thread, seems like a few folks are paying 75-300,000cr and getting cars worth way more from them.

 

[Northstar]

It's confirmed that tokens are coming: https://www.gtplanet.net/turn-10-confirms-microtransaction-plans-forza-7/

I'm well aware of that, but they still haven't said what we'll be able to buy with them.

 

[PJTierney]

So the drivatars have stopped getting stuck on the water fountain chicane at Long Beach like they did on FM6, instead they all seem to clip the outside wall coming out of it. I did a 13 lap race in the V8 Supercars and poor @prousonhairy's drivatar pitted 11 times during the race. Speaking of which, the Altima has been modeled with the wrong wheels, but thankfully you can put the correct Racing Dynamics COTF wheels on it and it doesn't change the PI.

If you want to see Drivatars freak out put them in the Renault F1 around Suzuka. Half of them won’t make it past Turn 1 cleanly.

 

[ShawnPhillips]

It's confirmed that tokens are coming: https://www.gtplanet.net/turn-10-confirms-microtransaction-plans-forza-7/

Doesn't mean you'll be able to buy Crates with them. Tokens are in FH3 but you still can't use them to buy wheelspins.

 

[NLxAROSA]

The second reason is the performance on PC. And I know someone will just come out and say it's on my end and that my computer sucks.

It's on your end. Your computer sucks.

But more seriously: performance on PC is indeed an issue (mostly in the menus). Stuttering mostly as well as slow browsing. And crashes. Though it's been fairly acceptable on my end, I can imagine it's not quite as acceptable on other systems.

Haven't had a crash since the update though (knocks on wood).

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

The AI seem to actually be more competitive this time round. I'm just playing on Expert difficulty and it's hard for me to actually lose the cars once I get to first place; they're able to keep up in the turns with no issue. In which this is what I was looking for, the career mode is keeping me interested. I also actually like that the cars are locked as prize cars, it gives me early Gran Turismo & Forza Motorsport flashbacks having to work my way up to unlock the cars again.

 

[ImaRobot]

But more seriously: performance on PC is indeed an issue (mostly in the menus). Stuttering mostly as well as slow browsing. And crashes. Though it's been fairly acceptable on my end, I can imagine it's not quite as acceptable on other systems.

To be honest, browsing through the car list while on the Xbox One causes stutters and frame rate issues as well.

 

[HuskyGT]

There's nothing to win here, but I fail to see how you can write many paragraphs about things, but when challenged on certain aspects you resort to posting this.

I'm still wondering about those cash grabbing tactics within the game.

Forgive the stupidity. I might be a bit drunk... I should stop posting for today.