Gran Turismo 5 Release Date?

[craste]

I didn't know "almost full price" could be interpreted as "less than half price".

CoD4 cost me £32. GTA4 cost me £38. LBP cost me £37. Assassin's Creed cost me £35.

GT5P cost me £17. Which is less than it costs to play Forza 2 online for 12 months.

I think he was leaning more towards the fact that GT5P was not given to us as in FREE DEMO Download - we had to pay money for it.
Plus the fact you can pick up many new titles on-line for £19 a few months (sometimes weeks) after release where the RRP is nearer £40

 

[Famine]

Edit button, craste. You've been here long enough.

GT5P isn't a demo. It has almost (using the same "almost" concept) as much physical content as GT1 did, but with online play and constant free updates to fix errors, tweak physics and add content. I think half price is pretty good value for something which just a few years ago would have been considered a full release and which the developers are always working on and pushing out updates for free...


Value considerations aside though, it's factually inaccurate to say GT5P was ever "almost full price".

 

[RedBaron]

In fact, it's not inaccurate. I payed 950,- Kc for japanese Prologue with shipping, 1099,- Kc for PAL Prologue here in Czech and I remember well that same shop (one of the cheepest) sold me full Gran Turismo 4 for 1.599,- Kc.

 

[Famine]

In fact, it's not inaccurate. I payed 950,- Kc for japanese Prologue with shipping, 1099,- Kc for PAL Prologue here in Czech and I remember well that same shop (one of the cheepest) sold me full Gran Turismo 4 for 1.599,- Kc.

So you're comparing a DVD-ROM release from 5 years ago with a BD-ROM release now?

 

[Ardius]

Most of your claims are beyond false. Poly as a company spends many resources to compete with other games such as forza. Poly not only is aware and involved in what others are doing they have now brought considerable amount of money and time ( if you havnt noticed that already ) just to keep up with the competitors and their advantages against poly. To say poly ignores the press and other companies is utter crap and doesnt even make sence business wise either. Ever since GT4 came out poly ,as a company as a whole, had to radically change its strategy to their game development in the global market. I would keep explaining some of the other arguments that are false but I think everyone on here knows the correct answer anyways.

Well, seeing as we're both speculating here and stating our opinions, I don't think I'm stating "false claims" just different opinions to yours.

The world of gaming and especially ONLINE changed so much. That way is not going to work this time.

I played and think quantity killed the quality in GT4. The old system of races was no more motivating for me and after 65% I just drove RUF on Nürburgring for some fun, nothing more.

GIVING? They sold it to us for almost full price and now they have full pockets of money for development! You are talking about Polyphony like a dutiful child about its parents.

I don't see why PD have to look at other games companies ideas in order to make a good online system, do you have to copy other people's work to pass a test of creativity well?
You didn't like GT4? Well I suppose you do indeed have something to be worried about, because I can only guess PD are going to keep heading the same direction, it is a highly successful one after all.
If we have to be pedantic, yes, they sold us the game, but I don't see how that changes my argument. They allowed sold us something to play for a bit while we wait, would you have rather them just ignore us and not tell or show us anything? I was originally arguing against the idea that "PD aren't telling/showing us enough" which is a bit unfair seeing as they sold us a fully-playable game at half price.

I still don't think PD needs to worry about the competition much, I know myself and others have played GT5 more than a lot of other fully finished games, although this is down to the online mode more than anything else, even if it is flawed and unfinished. Judging by the sales figures (and the sales figures only counted disc sales, not downloads!) PD certainly don't have much to worry about at all beyond continuing to do what they are doing.

And yes, I will admit I'm a GT-fan and will defend its failings, I have no shame in doing so, its a damn good game series.

 

[Rash-182]

So you're comparing a DVD-ROM release from 5 years ago with a BD-ROM release now?

so what.. actualy he has a point. Prologue still costs 900 in CZ which is about 42 dollars. And whats wrong with comparing DVD with BD?? Games cost about the same prize as they were 5 years ago. Or do you think that we should pay more just because they are on BD now?
EDIT: sorry

 

[Famine]

With all due respect to the Czech Republic, we're not talking about a major market here. I'm sure if we dug around we could find a tiny market where GT5P would cost several hundred US dollars because of availability. Let's confine ourselves to larger markets...

In the UK, BD-ROM games have a £10 (or about 20%) higher RRP than DVD-ROM games did (though, curiously, XBox360 DVD-ROM games are identically priced on cross-platform titles).

GT5P has an RRP half that of other top-line PS3 titles in the UK (RRP £24.99; RRP £49.99)
GT5P has an RRP just over half that of other top-line PS3 titles in the US (RRP $39.99; RRP $59.99)
GT5P has an RRP a little over half that of other top-line PS3 titles in the US (RRP E36.95; RRP E69.99)
GT5P has an RRP far less then half that of other top-line PS3 titles in the US (RRP Y1979; RRP Y5920)

(prices from Play.com, Amazon international sites and Play-Asia).

 

[RedBaron]

So you're comparing a DVD-ROM release from 5 years ago with a BD-ROM release now?

Yes, full price of other first class PS titles didn't change with BD coming at all.

 

[Obli]

Of course PD are aware of the competition. A photograph from PDs office showed that there was a 360 there - either they're developing GT on both platforms (fat chance!) or they use it to check the competition. Even if Kaz doesn't play Forza, it doesn't mean other PD staff haven't. Kaz isn't the only man making this game I'm sure there are a load of unsung heroes at PD.

I also think that PD like to operate mysteriously, giving away very little. They seem to like to surprise us, almost toy with us. Just because Kaz says one thing, it doesn't mean it's true. I think they take great pride in making out they can do just fine without dissecting the competition.

I paid £19 for Prologue on the day of launch (in a shop, not online) which is half-price. Let's not forget that PD also gave away the best demo I have ever seen on the PSN; GT HD. I think for £19, those two glimpses into GT5 were well worth it. Not only that but great 'games' in their own right. I've played GT5: P more than any other PS3 game. I don't think PD are greedy - quite the opposite. Lets not forget that the amount of content in GT games has always been overly generous. I think some customers are the ones that are being greedy.

 

[RedBaron]

Hey, we are in love with GT same way, thats the reason we are here and discuss what else is not perfect on our beloved game

 

[Fredzy]

There needs to be a banner on the front page of GT Planet that says big and bold: "Gran Turismo 5 will hit the shelves in on ... ???" and when the mods finally know for sure, they swap out the ??? for the date.

Because routing through a thread for news is a joke lol

 

[Pepsi0]

Nothing is true until Polophony announce it. Officially. Why don't people understand that.

 

[Famine]

There needs to be a banner on the front page of GT Planet that says big and bold: "Gran Turismo 5 will hit the shelves in on ... ???" and when the mods finally know for sure, they swap out the ??? for the date.

Because routing through a thread for news is a joke lol

Given past experiences, we're unlikely to fill in a date until the day after it has actually come out.

 

[PAPPACLART]

COME ON pd GIVE US SOME NEWS OF RSOMETHING!!!

 

[GTjazzabrandy]

COME ON pd GIVE US SOME NEWS OF RSOMETHING!!!

Keep On Wishing:tup:

 

[boiltheocean]

Nothing is true until Polophony announce it. Officially. Why don't people understand that.

Exactly. There is nothing anyone can do about it, all claims of release dates so far are most likely made up so why bother.

KEEP CHECKING HERE
http://www.gran-turismo.com/

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[PAPPACLART]

Keep On Wishing:tup:

I just think it is a poor showing from PD...AGAIN. Yeah yeah they gave us GT5P, are we supopse to be greatful...after all I did pay for it and I am sure they made some nice money. I have been playing the GT seriies since day 1, 1998 and 10+ years on I am waiting like the rest of you for the latest incarnation. I mean it is not like what they have is top secret like Area 51, what is the harm with giving 'Us' 10 year loyal fans something.. a sniff! And all of this secrecy, when we will likely just see GT4 in 1080p which is not a bad thing, tho still with an awful lifeless one player game, annoying menu screens and dodgy engine sounds.

Big respect and all, but fat fingers out of asses PD please.

If they did not bother with prologue we may have the full GT5 now but I know why we have prologue, one to make them some money, and 2 to test the water and this will make GT5 ONCE is arrives a better game out of the box.

PS

I have heard statements from PD along the lines of ''We are concentrating on Prologue'' WTF?

 

[Fredzy]

Nothing is true until Polophony announce it. Officially. Why don't people understand that.

Collectively this website will know this official news the moment it is officially released. So the mods, who are the site officials can post it on the front page for those of us who are interested but not officially glued to these forums.

 

[Fredzy]

Exactly. There is nothing anyone can do about it, all claims of release dates so far are most likely made up so why bother.

KEEP CHECKING HERE
http://www.gran-turismo.com/

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After clicking this link, I realized the sad reality which Famine pointed out clearly in his post above.

 

[Fredzy]

News & Events, For The Win!™

 

[Obli]

If they did not bother with prologue we may have the full GT5 now but I know why we have prologue, one to make them some money, and 2 to test the water and this will make GT5 ONCE is arrives a better game out of the box.

PS

I have heard statements from PD along the lines of ''We are concentrating on Prologue'' WTF?

I don't mean to sound rude but if you were a programmer, you would know that Prologue could well form the foundation for GT5. The time spent programming Prologue is not wasted - the code will be re-used and expanded upon, such as the graphics and physics engines, and network code. In theory, Prologue could develop in to the full game with updates alone.

I'm not sure what people are expecting. GT5 is likely to look and feel like Prologue (perhaps some visual tweaks and additions). Hopefully extra features such as damage, night races and weather will be in there, along with significant improvements in the online functionality / modes but I don't expect them.

 

[Quiet_Storm]

Isn't Prologue just bits and pieces of GT5 that PD pulls out and put together into a little "Mini GT5" anyways? They're pretty much working on GT5, not Prologue. Am I making any sense?

 

[GTjazzabrandy]

Isn't Prologue just bits and pieces of GT5 that PD pulls out and put together into a little "Mini GT5" anyways? They're pretty much working on GT5, not Prologue. Am I making any sense?

I think you are

 

[Ardius]

Isn't Prologue just bits and pieces of GT5 that PD pulls out and put together into a little "Mini GT5" anyways? They're pretty much working on GT5, not Prologue. Am I making any sense?

Basically, yes, thats the point of Prologue in the first place - to give us a taste of what GT5 will be like. I don't get why its beyond some people to put two and two together and see that Polyphony are giving us what they've made so far in order for us to just shutup and wait a bit longer. Same for GT HD. Ok, so they haven't given us everything they've made so far and they haven't revealed an awful lot...but then why would you want the entire game spoiled? (I'm using "you" to mean all the people complaining about the lack of content revealed/released, etc, not you personally, Quiet Storm)

 

[JAGUAR1977]

We're all GT fans, and GT5 will undoubtedly be amazing, BUT, the competition is closing down fast.

Race Pro, Supercar Challenge, F1 2009 and even Need for Speed Shift (being developed by Blimey of GTR1/2 and GTL fame and targeting the sim market), could all be superior to GT5, they will also all be released this year.

 

[J-PaP]

Race Pro and F1 2009 don't even have road cars so I don't see them as direct competition bar both are racing sims. But thats what gt has always had for me that is the reason I choose it over others. It uses real life cars and is a simulation.

Supercar challenge and need for speed shift are hard to judge. Both games have a questionable past nor have ever been true simulations (ferrari challenge was ok but in the end was a dissapointment for most with failing to deliver what the box claimed. Plus supercar challenge looks to be identical without just ferrari's) and need for speed simply has been rubbish since hot pursuit 2 (bring back nfs 1,2,3)

 

[Mr P510]

This would have to be one of the longest droughts of news I can remember since the series started...Come on PD...is anyone home???

 

[Fredzy]

This would have to be one of the longest droughts of news I can remember since the series started...Come on PD...is anyone home???

That's a good way of putting it... I technically spent $1400 for this game (PS3, HDMI cable, GT5P, DFGT wheel, HDTV) and would like a bone thrown my way to keep me dreaming.

 

[black300zx]

It is amazing how long its been since we've seen any news about the game (new screens, update car list or track info, teasers, anything!)

I think sony is just waiting for PS3 sales to reach rock bottom and then let GT5 loose (whatever stage its in) to bring sales up again

 

[Tenacious D]

140 million PS2s weren't sold to people playing Gran Turismo. I do understand why some are growing more than a little impatient, but in spite of the fact that GT is SONY's most lauded and lucrative franchise, they do have other games to sell the system, such as Ratchet & Clank, Uncharted, Resistance, Metal Gear Solid, Killzone, etc. And if Polyphony rushed GT5 in the same shape Turn 10 hurried Forza 2 out the door, your complaining would reach the heavens. Some things, like a fine wine, a new Bond movie or Peter Gabriel album, only appear when they're done.

Of course, a Christmas card from Kazunori-dono would have been nice...