Gran Turismo 6 coming to PS3
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- MeanElf
No, but it is a studio split into two teams by all accounts (more supposition, I know.) So I agree that GT6 is a possibility, given that post-scanning work would be good for both - it just depends on the GT6 team's schedule if it makes it in time. What I'm saying is they'd still need to test the A-spec scenario(s) which would use such new cars, so most likely is GT7 certainly as PD don't like to be rushed.
Then there is the tag saying PS4 - to me that says GT7 unless PD are pulling a blinder and allowing the hints at a next release on PS3 only to turn that around and release on PS4 by 2015 instead. The only trouble with that scenario, is that the game would need to be out pretty much by Christmas 2014 otherwise we'd all start to suspect that a trick was being played.
Convoluted rationale, I know but that's what leads me to thinking GT7 for those three cars.
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- eran0004
I don't think they are testing every car in every scenario, they probably take it for a test drive, but that can be done long before they do the actual 3D model of the car. Making the 3D model could be the first step in making the car, but it could just as well be the last step.
And now it seems like the photos published on facebook as well as the news posted on gtplanet has been removed. One theory as to why is that the description about a PS4 Gran Turismo wasn't true and that Sony/PD decided to pull the plug to not cause too much "GT6 confirmed for PS4"-hype when they are actually making it a PS3 title. That would explain why they let the Michael Denny quotes remain...
Another theory could of course be that they were scanning for GT7 and that they don't want any GT7 leaks before they release GT6.
A third theory is that PD's method for modeling cars, or which cars they are planning on including in the next GT, is a secret that they don't want to share with competitors.
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- Ask me, man.
This. Multiple times.
GT6 can be good if it has structure and new features. I have a feeling it'll look a little better, too. But that's secondary.
What is needed are new features that replace the silly, whacky features, new cars/tracks and an A-SPEC mode that isn't terribly old-fashioned and tired.
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- kudos00
That is the case and has been for who knows how long, but it's possible that they're testing these "new" and unique cars to be certain how the cars' graphics/animations look on the track. They already have a backlog of cars they've used in past Old GT games that they couldn't have tested out, but this is the future. And will they really be adding 500 unique cars to the next GT game? Unique meaning that they're new to the series. In this case, it's very plausible that they're testing each unique car sorta like they were doing when the series first started.
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- FOXIOL
I have those pictures on my PC. (I always copy things just in case)
All this secrecy and sometimes censorship even in the forum is pure bullcr**.
Why not tell people what are they doing, why not make an specific forum at gran-turismo.com or something like that. It is a game about cars why hide or why don´t say anything...the best way to keep people interested in something is by talking about it.
It can be hilarious if they won´t show everything just because of what Forza does in the other console.
Almost every simulator on PC are doing some kind of "social" marketing allowing people to know about the development of their game and show little bits of how it works or anything. Of course no one of those games sells as much as Gran turismo...still this "secrecy" is not good.
Yet we keep talking about rumours and just "nothing" everyday. Funny.
Hope the next game will be a major improvement at least in all aspects.
All this secrecy and sometimes censorship even in the forum is pure bullcr**.
Why not tell people what are they doing, why not make an specific forum at gran-turismo.com or something like that. It is a game about cars why hide or why don´t say anything...the best way to keep people interested in something is by talking about it.
It can be hilarious if they won´t show everything just because of what Forza does in the other console.
Almost every simulator on PC are doing some kind of "social" marketing allowing people to know about the development of their game and show little bits of how it works or anything. Of course no one of those games sells as much as Gran turismo...still this "secrecy" is not good.
Yet we keep talking about rumours and just "nothing" everyday. Funny.
Hope the next game will be a major improvement at least in all aspects.
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Given that T10 essentially originally made Forza in GT's image (by their own words) and have even imitated several features that appeared in subsequent GT games (as well as added many of their own, granted), I can respect PD / Sony being perhaps overly protective of any potential leaks / news / anything.
I don't think PD really wanted to compete directly with Forza (their respective "brand images" are very different for starters, and they are quite different games), but T10 / Microsoft keep bringing the fight to them (in a 1-sided one-upmanship kinda way), so I guess they go on the defensive instead (Kevin Butler notwithstanding).
Then of course there's the part that we "fans" played during GT5's lengthy development, and it's probably fair to say that we really are a danger to ourselves in most cases, so keeping all the naughty stuff out of reach might just be sensible!
I don't think PD really wanted to compete directly with Forza (their respective "brand images" are very different for starters, and they are quite different games), but T10 / Microsoft keep bringing the fight to them (in a 1-sided one-upmanship kinda way), so I guess they go on the defensive instead (Kevin Butler notwithstanding).
Then of course there's the part that we "fans" played during GT5's lengthy development, and it's probably fair to say that we really are a danger to ourselves in most cases, so keeping all the naughty stuff out of reach might just be sensible!
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- Tetsumura
- Nigel Fox
Yes, but that's a different universe. In Consoleland, just about every game is wrapped up tight other than a mention that a game is being made. Kojima is working on a few projects, and what they are is as wrapped in secrecy as one of Snake's missions would be.
If you aren't used to this by now, you can look forward to being a grumpy gus.
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In all honesty, I agree with that part in your post along with the rest. With that thought, that's probaby why I never really liked T10 nor MS.
I'm actually okay with PD and Sony keeping GT in secrecy, because I also know they don't want their ideas stolen by other devs which is smart IMO.
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- Nigel Fox
I don't know why this aspect is so hard for some folk here to grasp. As Griffith mentioned previously, and I got a LOT of heat from a few members when I stated this years ago, Turn 10 has copycatted Gran Turismo to about the nth degree. I'm sure he took that pretty seriously, especially when Dan Greenawalt and Che Chu were rather arrogant about taking Kazunori's concept and making the racer he should have made. Of course, then there's the matter of Kaz returning the favor and using Forza's experience point idea which I think was the real fail of GT5, not the Standard cars and tracks.
Forza is an established franchise now, so the rivalry benefits both fan camps as both devs try and out-better the other with each game. At the same time though, this means that Kaz has to keep his notions to himself. We GTP forumites seem to be a great source of inspiration as it is, as there are some great creative minds here with lots of ideas for Gran Turismo - that end up in Forza. I've seen several of my ideas included in Forza. Back in 2005 when we began dreaming about GT5 on PS3 just months after GT4 was released, I made a post detailing what I thought the seven attributes were of a race car driver to model in the A.I., and how to use that to create distinct bots, named and everything, which would work through the GT5 career with you. And then a few months later, Dan G gave a talk about the development of Forza 2's A.I. system and it was like he was reading from my post.
I'd love to know what's going on at Polyphony Digital, how many cars and tracks are complete or nearly so, their targets, their plans for gameplay elements - what the system it will be on, or systems. But at the same time, the speculation is fun. The discussion here is really pretty engaging and enjoyable, mostly. It keeps us interested and buzzing, and some of us racing. A death in the family has just about blown my life up real good, and at the same time I'm thick in a recording project for a friend, along with my own creative outlets, so I settle for coming here on occasion and getting my GT fix through the board chats. Fortunately things haven't become as rowdy and pitchforky as it was back in 2009 at this point in the year. A few people were really getting mad at Kaz for not releasing SOMETHING before E3.
Christmas will come, kids, and E3 will be here sooner than you think.
:tup:
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- kudos00
Yes, I'm sorry, but I've learned that it's not really in the best interest of Gran Turismo fans to continue discussion about these cars. You'll just have to trust me on this one...
So AKps3, there is more to it than the eye, or we, can see. That being said, go ahead and talk about them, we already know about what happened.
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- GTP_Royalton
GT6 will be on PS4. The album pretty much settles it for me. Sorry but I cant believe Sony will show the PS4 at E3 and tell us to buy it this Holiday season, and then turn around and say Gran Turismo 6 will be released around the same time but will be unplayable on the PS4. Beyond:Two Souls is the only exclusive PS3 game I can think of thats AAA quality but will be released anywhere near the PS4's 2013 Holiday launch. All other PS3 games stated for release in Q4 2013 or later have been confirmed as PS4 titles as well. At this stage a duel PS3 and PS4 release makes more sense then a single PS3 release. And IMO a duel release doesnt make much sense, as all of Sonys PS4 exclusives are PS4 only.
A possible plan of attack by Sony is as follows: Announce GT6 for PS4 at E3. Announce a generic "2014" release date (Announce exact date at TGS). Show and promise to release a "GT6 HD" demo/game/time trial to be released for free as a download on the PS4 at launch. Maybe a handful of cars, one track, etc. Give something small to wet the appetite in anticipation of a Q2/Q3 2014 release date.
Yes, many of GT5's problems could be fixed on the PS3. But PD, either intentionally or not, has clearly passed the deadline of a releasing a game of GT6's caliber on the PS3. My prediction for a GT6 PS3 release called for a TGS 2012 announcement, and a June-July 2013 release date. With that option now gone, all GT6 on PS3 can do is interfere with and distract from the PS4 launch.
A large portion of GT's fanbase wants GT6 on the PS3. Why? They dont plan on buying a PS4 for years to come. Or they fear PS4 GT6 could be years down the line. Wanting a new Gran Turismo on a then 8 year old console is quite odd. Also, its likely GT6 has been developed for PS4 in mind for quite some time. Seeing that GT is Sonys biggest and most profitable first party studio, certainly they've had the best and earliest access to PS4 hardware. I see little reason why a GT6 on PS4 couldnt be ready in 2014. To have it on PS4 is worth the extra wait, IMO.
A possible plan of attack by Sony is as follows: Announce GT6 for PS4 at E3. Announce a generic "2014" release date (Announce exact date at TGS). Show and promise to release a "GT6 HD" demo/game/time trial to be released for free as a download on the PS4 at launch. Maybe a handful of cars, one track, etc. Give something small to wet the appetite in anticipation of a Q2/Q3 2014 release date.
Yes, many of GT5's problems could be fixed on the PS3. But PD, either intentionally or not, has clearly passed the deadline of a releasing a game of GT6's caliber on the PS3. My prediction for a GT6 PS3 release called for a TGS 2012 announcement, and a June-July 2013 release date. With that option now gone, all GT6 on PS3 can do is interfere with and distract from the PS4 launch.
A large portion of GT's fanbase wants GT6 on the PS3. Why? They dont plan on buying a PS4 for years to come. Or they fear PS4 GT6 could be years down the line. Wanting a new Gran Turismo on a then 8 year old console is quite odd. Also, its likely GT6 has been developed for PS4 in mind for quite some time. Seeing that GT is Sonys biggest and most profitable first party studio, certainly they've had the best and earliest access to PS4 hardware. I see little reason why a GT6 on PS4 couldnt be ready in 2014. To have it on PS4 is worth the extra wait, IMO.
Earth, you took the words outta my mouth. It make no sense for Sony to announce the PS4, spend millions of dollars marketing it, and then turn around and launch one of PlayStations best franchises.....on PS3, which will NOT be playable on PS4.
If anything, Sony could launch the game on PS3 and make an up scaled PS4 version with better graphics, more tracks and more cars. This would keep the current PS3 owners happy, while still giving people a reason to buy a PS4.
What will most likely happen is that GT6 will be shown for PS4 at E3. Drive Club will be a PS4 launch title to hold us over for a GT6 launch on the PS4 1st year anniversary.
If anything, Sony could launch the game on PS3 and make an up scaled PS4 version with better graphics, more tracks and more cars. This would keep the current PS3 owners happy, while still giving people a reason to buy a PS4.
What will most likely happen is that GT6 will be shown for PS4 at E3. Drive Club will be a PS4 launch title to hold us over for a GT6 launch on the PS4 1st year anniversary.
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All of the evidence has always pointed to a PS3 launch. I don’t know how anyone got the idea it would be on the PS4 – a lot of group-think I believe.
You know these console manufacturers always lose money on each console they sell at the beginning. Why would they want a blockbuster to launch with their console and sell more and lose more money?
When I bought the PS2 I bought Ridge Racer(something), it was quite a while before GT3 came out. Now they already have their launch title race game for the PS4.
There is MUCH room for improvement in the graphics department of GT6 on the PS3. The premium cars look flawless.
The newer Eiger trail tracks really look fantastic, you can even see the wild flowers on the side of the track blowing in the wind. They really move when a car passes by. This is on the PS3!
Kaz has said that many of GT5’s assets (cars and tracks) are future proof. Much of what has been going into building GT6 on PCs with cad software will be rolled into GT7 or the rumored GTx Prologue for the PS4.
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- thepatriots
That is not always true. It is likely Sony will break even on the PS4 based on HW build estimates. PS4 w/ GT6 in 1 year of release would give Sony a HUGE selling point in Europe all but ensuring sales victory.
My guess PS4 comes (pre installed) with a GT demo. 1 Nissan. 1 track. Share button integration. And the demo is used updated with news about new from PD and GT Academy/ Nissan. Watch. Basically Nissan gets into a couple million homes very easily.
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- eran0004
Couldn't agree more
The guessing game that precedes a new release is one of my favourite parts of Gran Turismo! I guess mankind has always been interested in trying to foresee the future.
If the car scanning thing is best not to discuss, then I suppose it's best to leave it out* of this thread too, so it's not getting closed. I'm just gonna quote a line in all randomness from my favourite song instead, "Lark Ascending", by Ralph Vaughan Williams:
(* Or we could invent code names, like this:
PD = Papa Doc, Alfa Romeo = Ayn Rand, Lancia = Lark, P4/5 Competizione = Protocol 45C, Scanning = Singing)
"We have a Lark ascending, I repeat, we have a Lark ascending. Ayn Rand has been spotted by Protocol 45C, Papa Doc is singing."
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- Tetsumura
- Nigel Fox
The way these game companies reduce their console costs is through mass production, which means they have to sell a lot of consoles. For SONY to get better deals on those components, they have to make bigger orders, and they aren't going to buy more expensive parts for the sake of it to just sit in factory storage while they wait for PS4 demand to build. That's not cost effective.
More systems also mean more game sales, where they make their real money.
I'm with Earth too. I had mentioned on the previous page that SONY could have Kaz produce two versions for PS3 and 4 both. But I detailed how that would be poorly received by a lot of people. Not to mention how it would cut into potential PS4 sales.
The money guys at SONY have examined this issue themselves and come to a conclusion, and will have pitched it to the executive board. It may be GT6 on PS3, for the sake of quick mega-sales and instant mega-Yen. It may be GT6 on PS4, to give SONY the opportunity with the most widely appealing franchise to push PS4s into millions of homes that wouldn't otherwise buy it for a while. And that means even more game sales earlier in the lifecycle as I said, where the real money is.
And you have to know how Kazunori sees thye chance to realize a Gran Turismo with almost no technical limitations to hold him back. He mentioned more than once how he takes the public acceptance of his games very seriously, and there was a lot to criticize in GT5. Technical/graphical issues and game design weirdness both. I can imagine the press giving a critical grilling if PD has to cut back on certain things like resolution to give the game engine more overall power to work with. With PS4, this is as "no boundaries" as it gets, without making it a real $800 system, and there is no telling what we could get on a PS4 version.
Well, until E3.
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Sony said that they expect to sell over 16 million PS4-consoles this year. I have no idea how they want to achieve this. But I think they are trying to get the consumer with a killer-lineup of good games. They are not Microsoft who puts multimedia-functions next to games.
In my eyes, GT is one of the only big names that can generate a high amount of sales instantly.
So?
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You sure about that? Because last I checked the PS3 was promoted hard at launch as a Bluray player first, game console second. I mean I got 6 free Bluray movies just for buying the game console with Spiderman 3 BD packed in the box. Let's not be part of the pot calling the kettle black. Both Sony and MS are aiming to be the all in one media box through their game consoles.
Haha, still think T10 took your ideas huh?
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They could even do a triple platform release, GT6 on PS3 and PS Vita release in a few months time and GT6 a year in on PS4. They can profit a lot from that. PS4 does not really need GT game so early on, with prices likely to be competitive, probably around £299 mark in UK and $399 in the US, it will likely be sold out quite often and might be profitable at launch too which should be good for Sony. A year in or longer, they will be able to reduce the price of the PS4 and also have new games coming out like a GT game which will be more important for Sony to have continued sales.
There is likely for a new cheaper PS3 to come out soon too and having some new games for it will most likely help Sony have double the profits instead of dropping PS3 support just because they have a new console coming out.
I wonder if there will be more social elements in GT games, maybe even GTPlanet sharing functions, that would be awesome. There will probably be a vision of GT game on PS4 showing off some features of what the PS4 can do for GT though. GT Academy is another thing that will probably factor in their plans, so I wonder which platform they choose for that, hopefully still PS3.
I'm sure you must know of a different Polyphony Digital from the rest of us.
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Nope, the same one. They have been keeping the next GT game platform under wraps for a long time now and usual PR from Sony is Kaz will announce it so one would hope it is something bigger than just say another GT game on say PS3 to keep it secret for so long. Could be just only a PS3 game though but I hope there will be at least something Vita related too and some kind of PS4 demonstration at E3.
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