After last week's Michael Denny news, I was really starting the believe that GT6 would be out this year (or early next year, like February 2014) on the PS3. Now after reading this thread I'm starting to change my view that GT6 will be a PS4 title (probably getting stuck in "development hell" like GT5. "No boundaries" means long development periods everyone, read it and weep.). But, the only little hope that I have for GT6 coming out on the PS3 is the ability for the game to has cross-platform functionality. I'm not talking about both PS3 & PS4 but PS3 & PSVita cross-platform functionality. Sony had hyped this up a lot when the PSVita was released but few games offer the feature, GT6 offers a great opportunity. This allows Sony the chance to move more PS3s and to sell PSVitas that are sitting stagnant on shelves & in warehouses. A great time to do that would be this holiday season (but PD is developing this thing so it will get delayed until next year). Nevertheless, this will make for an entertaining CES and E3!
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It's hilarous to me that people still think parents will shell out $400 for a console for little timmy or johnny.
Especially considering it's brand new.
The hardcore brand(loudest/smallest of all the demographics) will buy it first, and as much as they might rant and rave about how awesome PS4 is fact is it probably won't sell well this holiday season.
As for GT6 they're best bet is PS3 right now people are excited about it, but a lot of those same people I've talked to around where I'm at they don't know the in's and out's of PS4(even from the little we've seen), and if they did I'd think they would second guess it at least this go around.
Especially considering it's brand new.
The hardcore brand(loudest/smallest of all the demographics) will buy it first, and as much as they might rant and rave about how awesome PS4 is fact is it probably won't sell well this holiday season.
As for GT6 they're best bet is PS3 right now people are excited about it, but a lot of those same people I've talked to around where I'm at they don't know the in's and out's of PS4(even from the little we've seen), and if they did I'd think they would second guess it at least this go around.
I doubt I'll want to buy a new PS3 when mine finally gives up the ghost, unless I can get better specs than I currently have for under $100.
Also, I will not pay $50ish for a new title.
Yes, the economy is in the toilet and I predict it will be worse come christmas, but my next system will more likely be a PS4.
So I guess all that being said, I'd buy GT6 for the PS3 if it were a package for a really decent new PS3 + GT6 for a screaming deal, say $120. I couldn't justify buying either the PS3 or GT6 otherwise, and I'd definitely not be in the market for a PS4 at launch.
Consumers must hold strong if we want to have goods priced in line with our falling standard of living.
Also, I will not pay $50ish for a new title.
Yes, the economy is in the toilet and I predict it will be worse come christmas, but my next system will more likely be a PS4.
So I guess all that being said, I'd buy GT6 for the PS3 if it were a package for a really decent new PS3 + GT6 for a screaming deal, say $120. I couldn't justify buying either the PS3 or GT6 otherwise, and I'd definitely not be in the market for a PS4 at launch.
Consumers must hold strong if we want to have goods priced in line with our falling standard of living.
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PS4 doesnt need GT6 at launch, but it will need GT6 in the months after launch. I believe the Wii U sold several million around launch, but only sold around 100,000 consoles in January. Because it lacked games.
Remember GT3 is far and away the biggest selling GT game, and thats because it was bundled with many PS2s very early in that console's life. I would hope Sony would try and repeat that success, and bundle GT6 with the PS4 sometime in 2014.
I dont believe the PS3 needs more games. It already has hundreds. The people who dont have a PS3 by now are the people who cant afford one. They arent waiting for new games anymore. PS3 needs a price drop, not GT6. The people who can finally afford the PS3 after another price drop can then also pick up GT5 for $20. Its not going anywhere. Im sure they'd prefer that over a $60 GT6.
PS3s will continue to sell strong regardless of whether GT6 is on the PS3 or PS4. 10 million people bought GT5. How many more people out there are waiting for GT6 to buy a PS3?
I think once you guys see GT6 running on PS4 hardware you'll forget all about GT6 on PS3. The thought of 32 phototravel quality cars in true 1080p, high res shadows, high res smoke, huge draw distance and more thanks to 8GBs of GDDR5 ram will hush GT6 on PS3 cries. Once PD shows that everyone will want and get the PS4. Sony knows that, PD knows that, and thats why GT6 is going to be on the PS4.
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Yes. And not just me. This place is a treasure trove of ideas from some very bright people. It wouldn't surprise me a bit to learn that a lot of traffic over the months from Redmond has been going straight to Earth's "Things you want to see in GT6" wishlist thread.
This is precisely what I'm hoping, and more of course, and I'm baffled why anyone would want a marginally better GT6 on PS3 when we could "lose our hats" over a Gran Turismo which is a quantum leap better on PS4.
Yes, a GT6 on PS3 will be a better game. It can look better. Have a ton of events, more than in GT4. Tons of tracks. 500-plus Premium cars. Livery Editor and Race Mod for all the cars. None of the silly doodads that made no sense in GT5, like the paint chips and XP system (hopefully!).
But a real HD Course Maker? More than 16 cars on track, especially online? Proper headlights for more than two or three cars in night races? A massive jump in physics and A.I.? 3D at 60fps? A Movie Maker? Realistic damage? Serious multiclass racing?
Don't you guys want a new Gran Turismo that's a lot more than the equivalent of a bunch of patches? Give me the REAL Gran Turismo 6, please.
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What confuses me is why PD has not gone to a a bi-yearly release cycle like Forza. Really, why not just release what they have finished every 2 years? So many problems will be done away with if that happened. Forza fans know Forza 5 is right around the corner. Some GT fans seriously believe they may not see GT6 for years to come. That shouldnt be the case.
If they had a 2 year release cycle GT6 would have released a few months ago and everyone would have been happy. GT6 on PS3 supporters would get what they want, and those who want a GT on PS4 early in its life cycle would get GT on the PS4 at the end of 2014 or early 2015. And they get to play GT6 on PS3 for a year until they get their PS4.
So I ask again, why not move to a 2 year release cycle? If each new game only has 100-150 new cars, thats fine. Thats more then most games have total.
Theres nothing wrong with big games releasing every 2 years. Microsoft released 8 full Flight Simulator games in the same period of time it took PD to release 5 full Gran Turismos. To be more precise, Microsoft released a new Flight Simulator every 1.8 years on average from 1988 - 2006.
I know PD has made mobile games and Tourist trophies and whatever else, but they really need to focus on moving Gran Turismo to a bi-yearly release cycle, no matter what it takes. Spending 4-5 years making a game doesnt guarantee it will be good. GT5 was proof of that. So theres no real reason to believe a GT game being released every 2 years will lower the quality of the franchise. Forza has proven you can release large racing games bi-yearly with critical success. The same with Microsoft's Flight Simulator.
Also, you are right. GT6 on PS3 will end up being similar to a very large patch, or a large DLC download. With a possible GT6 on PS3 release being no closer then 8 months, why not extend that to 14-16 months and make it a PS4 game? As you mention in addition to simple gameplay upgrades that are possible on PS3, there will be the massive visual upgrades.
I was in another part of the forum and ran into this real life image.
For a split second, I thought it could be a video game. And then I realized with PS4 GT visuals could resemeble this picture. High res grass, high res smoke, 3D environments, realistic lighting. The possibility of GT6 on PS4 looking anything like this is worth it, IMO
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Now I'm starting to go back to wanting GT6 on PS4 again. o_o
EDIT: But won't GT6 kill DriveClub's sells though?
EDIT: But won't GT6 kill DriveClub's sells though?
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I think you've summed up what a PS3 GT6 would be quite nicely.
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This is what I want and I imagine many would agree. When you typed this paragraph, I bet you began to realize the potential of another GT title on the same console. Although you minimized it with your next statements and the word "but", I still believe you see the big picture. And that picture will probably come later this year on a console we already own. 
It would be nice, but don't you think it would take a long while to see a GT6 on the PS4? Blank canvas, any one? We endured an incredibly long wait for an incomplete GT5 and the PS3 didn't exactly produce a stunning GT5 ( though I'd mostly blame PD for their terrible decisions). New hardware =/= a better game automatically. Decision-making will yield true results. And that's something we saw little of this generation (so far).
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GT6 could release long after Driveclub , maybe as much as 8-12 months. Also one is somewhat of an arcade racer and the other is a sim. They're not really competing for the same audience. Many racers will end up getting both anyway
That interview could have been recorded 2 years ago for all we really know. And was his comment about a blank canvas really directed towards GT? He said developers have infinite possibilities to make whatever they want to. He was talking about how the PS4 was affecting the industry as a whole, not his personal project.
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Welcome back, D. You forgot this:
At this point, I'm indifferent as to which system it comes out on. PS3? The majority of problems I have with GT5 don't need a more powerful system to be solved; they just need the application of logic and sense from their developers. A level system on it's own is fine if it's just an excuse to feed us credits every so often; tying the progress of the game to it was the bad idea. Having a two-pronged physics system, with a different set for online (until very recently) was a bad idea. SRF? Bad idea. Actually...
We're on the same page, pretty much, here. Good good 👍
All potentially possible, sure. So are a lot of things when we're just guessing.
I can think of a reason to not want the next GT on PS4; the lengthy wait. We got fed the line of GT5 taking so long because it was the first of the series on a new console. That will be the handy story this go-round too, if GT6 is a PS4 title. And much like the PS3 was praised as a thoroughly improved powerhouse compared to the PS2 back in the early days of Vision GT, we got the story of how Kaz and PD felt "limited" by the same system by the time GT5 came out. I fully expect to hear about the limitations of the PS4, too.
Mind, I don't even necessarily mean that as a slight; naturally, all systems will have their limitations met at some point in their life cycle. The difference being, a lot of developers work with those limitations in mind, and compromise to manage those limits, instead of using them as an excuse when they're run into.
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GASP! I was planning to get both, good guessing there.
Oh oh. How about GT6 releases this year on PS3, than be imported on to PS4 next year? Smart right?
This, Yes please! 👍
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Oh oh. How about GT6 releases this year on PS3, than be imported on to PS4 next year? Smart right?
Fix GT5 via patches, perfect GT6 for PS4.
Even smarter.
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Just returned from a Google expedition to search for news about GT6 and it's pretty funny that half of the internet (coincidently the half that one week ago claimed that GT6 was confirmed for PS3) now states that it has been confirmed for PS4. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only thing that actually has been confirmed is that nothing is confirmed (or denied, actually) yet.
The rest is just speculation based on more or less credible sources.
Good luck with that, Sony. They might want to update their flash player once in a while to achieve that, video streaming does move forward rather fast and with no way of upgrading the software yourself you need to rely on Sony doing the updates for you. Which they haven't done with the PS3 (and when they do upgrade the flash player they update to an obsolete version which is no good). A ten year old laptop is a better media machine than the PS3.
The rest is just speculation based on more or less credible sources.
Good luck with that, Sony. They might want to update their flash player once in a while to achieve that, video streaming does move forward rather fast and with no way of upgrading the software yourself you need to rely on Sony doing the updates for you. Which they haven't done with the PS3 (and when they do upgrade the flash player they update to an obsolete version which is no good). A ten year old laptop is a better media machine than the PS3.
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So let me get this straight....
You're implying Turn 10 takes ideas from a competitors fan forum and implements them in its game, all while Polyphony pay no attention to said fan forum or ideas.
Is that right?
Doesn't exactly paint Polyphony in a good light, ignoring fans while Turn 10 actually "listens", even going to the length of investigating what fans from other games want.
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It's funny how no one seems to remember the fact that PD played a major role in deciding the hardware to be used in the PS4... So they would've been one of the first studios to know what to develop before - even before dev. Kits were being sent out. They probably could've known what sort of architecture to write for up to 2 and a half to maybe 3 years ago. It's not like PD will only just start writing for the PS4 now.
I was originally on the PS4 side, then I moved to the PS3 side as more Sony executives started leaking info, but now, I REALLY don't know where to stand now. There's too much evidence on both sides, and I'm thinking now that it will be on both systems... Which seems odd. Maybe new textures and a better lighting and physics engine on the PS4, while the PS3 variant will use the GT5 engine for all of its lighting and physics...? Assets (cars, tracks, and other items that can be placed in most environments) can transfer, it's just a matter of giving them higher end textures, and likely more polygons on the stringer hardware...
It would make sense, however, to have GT6 on PS3... Look at how the Uncharted series went, specifically 2-3. There were massive load times in 2, and then nearly everything was real-time in 3. How? An optimized engine. Naughtydog was able to make coding more efficient once they were more familiar with the PS3's architecture, and PD can do the same. There isn't much that can be done to GT5 for that reason - not until PD streamlines the engine, which can't simply be done through an update. Then GT6 can do a whole lot more (lighting, damage modeling, tire wear, etc.) on the PS3's hardware. But there's so much more opportunity on the PS4... It's just so hard to tell.
And then there's the marketing standpoint. Selling GT6 on PS3 will guarantee MUCH more sales than PS4, BUT, a PS4 GT6 will DEFINITELY push more sales of the PS4. And Sony will likely have a say in the marketing strategy. And come to think about it, those who go for the PS4 in the first few weeks not after a racing simulator will buy GT6 anyways... That is, if it's a launch title...
See? There's just too much up in the air. I say there's no point arguing for or taking one side until either an official announcement is made, or some actual SUBSTANTIAL evidence is given.
I was originally on the PS4 side, then I moved to the PS3 side as more Sony executives started leaking info, but now, I REALLY don't know where to stand now. There's too much evidence on both sides, and I'm thinking now that it will be on both systems... Which seems odd. Maybe new textures and a better lighting and physics engine on the PS4, while the PS3 variant will use the GT5 engine for all of its lighting and physics...? Assets (cars, tracks, and other items that can be placed in most environments) can transfer, it's just a matter of giving them higher end textures, and likely more polygons on the stringer hardware...
It would make sense, however, to have GT6 on PS3... Look at how the Uncharted series went, specifically 2-3. There were massive load times in 2, and then nearly everything was real-time in 3. How? An optimized engine. Naughtydog was able to make coding more efficient once they were more familiar with the PS3's architecture, and PD can do the same. There isn't much that can be done to GT5 for that reason - not until PD streamlines the engine, which can't simply be done through an update. Then GT6 can do a whole lot more (lighting, damage modeling, tire wear, etc.) on the PS3's hardware. But there's so much more opportunity on the PS4... It's just so hard to tell.
And then there's the marketing standpoint. Selling GT6 on PS3 will guarantee MUCH more sales than PS4, BUT, a PS4 GT6 will DEFINITELY push more sales of the PS4. And Sony will likely have a say in the marketing strategy. And come to think about it, those who go for the PS4 in the first few weeks not after a racing simulator will buy GT6 anyways... That is, if it's a launch title...
See? There's just too much up in the air. I say there's no point arguing for or taking one side until either an official announcement is made, or some actual SUBSTANTIAL evidence is given.
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Whatever PD decides to do I'd think it would be a better service to fans to put in on PS3. Like I said Hardcore gamers as most of you are. Are really a minority and they'll be the ones to get PS4 first, but for the rest of everyone else it's let's wait on mom and dad, or in other cases I don't give a crap right now because it's too much still. Which no lie that last one is the category I fall into.
I do like Sony I really do, but any console over $300 I always advise people to stay away from.
I do like Sony I really do, but any console over $300 I always advise people to stay away from.
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Well I don't have sales figures or anything, but back in 2005 it didn't take long for people I knew to get Xboxes from mom and dad ($400). PS3 was pushing it at $600, but there were still people (and more than just a couple) in 2006/7 that were getting them.
PS4 at $400 does not sound like something that only a few people are going to get.
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Who knows, perhaps the entire console market is destined for extinction within just a few years? With Logitech abandoning console peripherals, Sony going through hard financial times and mobile devices such as the iPad becoming more and more important platforms for gaming, the end of the consolosaur era may come sooner than we think. Evolution does not always mean bigger and stronger, sometimes it means switching concept entirely...
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You can stop right there! (in a good way)
It would be nice, but don't you think it would take a long while to see a GT6 on the PS4? Blank canvas, any one? We endured an incredibly long wait for an incomplete GT5 and the PS3 didn't exactly produce a stunning GT5 ( though I'd mostly blame PD for their terrible decisions). New hardware =/= a better game automatically. Decision-making will yield true results. And that's something we saw little of this generation (so far).
Great post.
Again... GT6 on PS3 will be the GT5 we always wanted. A next GT on PS4, right now I can just think about... WAIT... waiting more, and more, and more.
And... honestly, put a hand in your hearts and seriously think: you want to wait more? I don't. GT6 on PS3 will probably correct most things that went bad with GT5 and we're going to have a new GT to play for 1-2 years until the fantastic GT on PS4 will come.
If they were about to release a GT on PS4 this soon, it's just impossible to believe that they wouldn't have shown to us at the PS4 presentation event. GT is the REAL system seller! Why not show it on a system presentation?
What makes me still believe in the ideas of some of us: Driveclub is a release game for PS4, it'll sell OK because everybody want a racing game to showoff (and driveclub feels good, I hope it'll be good!) and then 1 year later, GT on PS4. BOOM, mindblown again.
Just think about the PS3... just Grand Theft Auto V and Gran Turismo 6 will make you busy for a year. (honestly, most of us have been playing GT5 for more than 2 years and there's people still playing GT4 and GT3)...
Who want to leave the PS3 right now? Sorry, there's a lot to come.
Believe! GT6 on PS3. The Gran Turismo that the good old PS3 deserves. Make it happen PD. Then, have fun with the huge ammount of cash you'll make again buying awesome licenses for GT PS4. And Sony need this money. They will not leave it on the table. PS4 may sell a lot but it's a long term thing... at first it'll be expensive for some people...
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I must agree with machschnel. Turn 10 is a company of its own, and, as some say, "you must respect to be respected". Turn 10 respects its gamers, making car packs with community-wanted cars on them. Then, they respect T10, by playing Forza. But I do not think T10 would be radical enough to watch the GT forums. I mean, "come on, all of the cars that they added were in the Cars Request Thread.". (Said by best friend (that owns FM4))
Polyphony Digital, on the other side, adds 'dem useless R35 GT-Rs, without even asking the community. I bet that many people that play GT5 would like something brand new. IMO, they made art, but then, like the elder said to the dog, they destroyed it. And that makes me sad.
But, wait, there's more! PD will most likely listen to the Japanese community ( Japanese hate the Miata 1.7 but love the Miata 1.8 (not trying to insult anyone)), because they are Japanese, and that's their country. T10 listens to Americans, because that's their country... So, if you ask yourselves, isn't PD trying to listen to their national market first, because they can process requests there easier?
Now, relating to the thread's title:
Marketing's first rule is: "The secret is the business's soul.". Perhaps PD is saying that so fans won't rush buying the PS4, because I bet that production is going to be low and slow in the first couple o' months.
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So well written. 👍 Now I'm starting to go back to the PS3's side again.
Seriously though, I don't want to wait for GT6 to come out next year just for PS4... The PS3 is the perfect choice this year for Sony, and they seem to be very honest about it being on PS3 too.2005 was a different world than 2013. You're talking Pre-great recession, pre-tight credit, pre-dramatic drop in average income, pre-foreclosure crisis. Pre-austerity.
Totally different world. Fewer people than before who have the extra money to buy a new console. Fewer people than before who are still into the "latest and greatest" consumption craze.
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