Gran Turismo 6 coming to PS3

[CorvetteConquer]

The same reason I waited until 2010 to buy my PS3; I had no use for it otherwise.

I don't get why you would buy a new system right away if you weren't sold on the game lineup. Are you also the type that lines up for a new iPhone every year, even if the upgrades are utterly minimal compared to the existing generation? Consumerism for the sake of consumerism is a waste of money for me; I'll buy the system when the pros of ownership outweigh the cons.

Kids in a candy store, to be honest.

When next generation systems come around, you see a lot of hyper, over-excited fans come out. A PS3 GT6 isn't the end of the world. Heck, it's a video game. A game. And didn't we all want another GT game within a reasonable amount of time?

We'll all see a PS4 GT eventually (unless GT6 flopped so hard or KY and PD want to move on).

 

[Brutaka]

Why would it be a waste of money?

You could have one person who buys 200 games for a console and plays them each for an average of 5 hours, and gets 1,000 hours of value out of it and another who buys 2 games for a console and plays them each for 500 hours, they also get 1,000 hours of value out of it. They have both got the same value regardless of the number of games bought.

Not sure if your really serious on this, because the answer is so stunningly obvious its beyond belief.

Sony stopped working on the PS2 years ago and stopped making them last year. In the core market for the GT series the target market for PS2 owners in not there either, so they would not sell even close to enough to be worthwhile.

I understand that I said that it would be a waste unless the few games you got were awesome and you played them a lot.

I kinda did go out of line with the PS2 example but what I was trying to get through was that install base shouldn't be the only reason for why GT6 should be a PS3 game. It is true that the install base is powerful at this time but we still don't know when GT6 will be released so the PS3 install base can shrink dramatically if GT6 takes too long.

 

[novcze]

I don't know why someone would want GT6 on the PS3, just release more tracks and cars as DLC for GT5. PS3 is so outdated, everything takes forever to load and you can't have magically better graphics. If Sony and PD is smart enough they will release GT6 on the PS4 as soon as possible and use it as showcase flagship title. If they release GT6 now on the PS3, how long will it take to make another GT for PS4, 3 years at best? And in that time they will let PCars and others to be best racing games on the PlayStation?

 

[TokoTurismo]

I don't know why someone would want GT6 on the PS3, just release more tracks and cars as DLC for GT5. PS3 is so outdated, everything takes forever to load and you can't have magically better graphics.

Is there a problem wanting GT6 on the PS3? Releasing DLC for GT5 ain't gonna do justice, and I DOUBT anybody is going to continue playing GT5 once GT6 is released especially on the current console. About the graphics, why should it get better, leave it as it is, GT7 on PS4 will do that job somewhat.

If Sony and PD is smart enough they will release GT6 on the PS4 as soon as possible and use it as showcase flagship title. If they release GT6 now on the PS3, how long will it take to make another GT for PS4, 3 years at best?

To late, Sony already mind up their minds (Sony executive Michael Denny) for GT6 to be on PS3. Since GT has NEVER BEEN a release title so I heard. Either way, releasing GT6 on PS4 is not only going to kill DriveClub, but it'll also flop IMO if the PS4 is cost up to at least $500, who's going to buy that for one game? Even if GT6 is bundled with the PS4, it still ain't gonna do justice, and three years in development for a GT title is a bad thing? How so..

 

[machschnel]

It was just the vice president of SCEE.

Oh, just the vice president you say...

Well, let us look on the already known first party launch line up for the PS4:

inFAMOUS: Second Son
Killzone: Shadow Fall
Knack
Drive Club
The Witness (indie game)

Really spectacular...
And this should be the best and biggest launch line up of this playstation release?? I think that some games are still missing. Especially some games that make people buy the PS4.

As Scaff as said numerous time already in this thread, the PS4 sells itself.

Any sane person knows not to buy a console at release, yet as far back as I can remember most consoles sell out at launch. Why? Because rabid fanboys will buy whatever "supercomputer" you offer them, with or without the presence of Gran Turismo. Which is why launch titles are usually lacklustre - it's going to sell out anyway, may as well save the good titles for when you want to attract harder to sway customers.

 

[RACECAR]

I don't know why someone would want GT6 on the PS3, just release more tracks and cars as DLC for GT5. PS3 is so outdated, everything takes forever to load and you can't have magically better graphics.

Simple, Many people don't have the money for a new console and thus don't have the desire to drop a huge load of money just for new console all because of one game. Granted there's more then one coming and we'll soon see what are said titles, but its still not an logical option. There's also the fact that the PS4 does not have an established user base and it still doesn't have a official price nor time for it to be on sale (which is abit risky for an established franchise). By having it on the PS3, there's already an console which does have an established user base and the only concern is if the game is at all improved out not. Of course its not going to be a huge revolution in graphics, was GT4 that big of a graphical leap over GT3? Was GT2 a huge GT?

 

[Tenacious D]

To late, Sony already mind up their minds (Sony executive Michael Denny) for GT6 to be on PS3.

Actually, that doesn't mean anything concrete. Back in fall of 2009, Jordan was shown documents stating that GT5 was going to be for sale in the holiday 2009 lineup, and given the okay to post an article stating that. So this wasn't from some regional veep, this had to come from The Top. And of course that quickly fell apart, not sure why, but within weeks, Jordan had to post a Santa giveth, Santa taketh away retraction which caused no small uproar around the world.

In the case of Mr Denny's remarks, it might have been a slip of the tongue, or it could be a calculated "leak." With Microsoft's new Box most likely coming this year along with Forza 5, why not bleed off enthusiasm about that, while having the gaming world focusing and buzzing over your own flagship title? What will ultimately happen, we likely won't know until E3, which really isn't that far off, just a month and a half. And you want the gaming world to be frothing at the mouth for news of anything Playstation related, either PS3 or 4, so I'm pretty sure that what word does get leaked will be both tantalizing and vague, and drive us all crazy. I actually like it that way, but then I'm something of a weirdo.

Now on a super-expensive PS4, I have to reiterate a little bit of history for you guys who don't remember how that all went, or weren't there like I was.

PS3 was built around two cutting edge and proprietary features: the Cell nine core processor and the Blu-ray drive. These were pricey commodities, and both proved hard to get up in production right away. For Cell, so many transistors were crammed onto that 90nm die that failure rate was high, and it was designed at the outset to allow one dead SPU processor. Even with that, yield took time to build up to what SONY needed.

If that wasn't bad enough, the blue-violet laser diodes needed for Blu-ray drives were in short supply, with just a few production facilities able to manufacture such short wavelength devices, and SONY had to fight for every lot they could get. Remember that at this time, a number of companies needed those high resolution lasers for their own Blu-ray movie players, as well as HD-DVD players, a competing format which was fighting for dominance. This torpedoed the worldwide release SONY had guaranteed, causing its own uproar, and gaming boards had to be clamped down from angry fans flooding them.

The downshot of this was that the Cell processor and Blu-ray drive themselves were estimated to be more than half of the cost of PS3, estimated by some to be around $850 per unit, though that number was up to dispute. But it was definitely more than the going price of the premium PS3, which sold for several months at $599 US retail, and it took SONY three years to absorb this loss.

In contrast, both PS4 and NexBox will be using high performance but off the shelf components for the most part in making their respective consoles. The AMD processors, GPUs, ram and Blu-ray drives are mature and affordable in bulk. The original premium 360 sold for $399 for about a year, and I expect both new systems to have a similar price point.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Simple, Many people don't have the money for a new console and thus don't have the desire to drop a huge load of money just for new console all because of one game. Granted there's more then one coming and we'll soon see what are said titles, but its still not an logical option. There's also the fact that the PS4 does not have an established user base and it still doesn't have a official price nor time for it to be on sale (which is abit risky for an established franchise). By having it on the PS3, there's already an console which does have an established user base and the only concern is if the game is at all improved out not. Of course its not going to be a huge revolution in graphics, was GT4 that big of a graphical leap over GT3? Was GT2 a huge GT?

Being ahead of the curve techologically triumphs just about everything today. Some people don't have the money for new technology but millions upon millions do so you can't stop technological progress. In the console wars, whoever is first out of the gate with the next generation console gets a big headstart. If PS4 can make PS3 look like Pong in comparison, PS3 will be forgotten as fast as flip phones and calculators were.

 

[CJSpencer77]

Being ahead of the curve techologically triumphs just about everything today. Some people don't have the money for new technology but millions upon millions do so you can't stop technological progress. In the console wars, whoever is first out of the gate with the next generation console gets a big headstart. If PS4 can make PS3 look like Pong in comparison, PS3 will be forgotten as fast as flip phones and calculators were.

He speaks the truth, if the PS4 can make your jaw drop the PS3 will be forgotten.

 

[RACECAR]

Being ahead of the curve techologically triumphs just about everything today. Some people don't have the money for new technology but millions upon millions do so you can't stop technological progress. In the console wars, whoever is first out of the gate with the next generation console gets a big headstart. If PS4 can make PS3 look like Pong in comparison, PS3 will be forgotten as fast as flip phones and calculators were.

You have to keep in mind that while Sony will eventually roll out the PS4, they still are supporting the PS3 for at least three more years and there's a good chance that this is weighing heavily in the thoughts of PD and Sony as well as many other developers with well established franchises and IPs. Just because of "technological Progression" doesn't mean you should quickly slap aside yesterday's software yet. There has to be a transition period and with the install base the PS3 has (as well as recent releases like God Of War Ascension still keeping people playing the PS3), its not quite time to throw it away just because something shiny and new is coming, especially since we still don't even know the price of said new console. Its safer to release GT6 on the console that's already out there, which can still bring in that little bit of profit in and the people that want it will only need to shell out $59.99, as opposed to the combined price of a brand new console (which is yet to be proven very reliable AND capable) along with said game.

 

[TokoTurismo]

You have to keep in mind that while Sony will eventually roll out the PS4, they still are supporting the PS3 for at least three more years and there's a good chance that this is weighing heavily in the thoughts of PD and Sony as well as many other developers with well established franchises and IPs. Just because of "technological Progression" doesn't mean you should quickly slap aside yesterday's software yet. There has to be a transition period and with the install base the PS3 has (as well as recent releases like God Of War Ascension still keeping people playing the PS3), its not quite time to throw it away just because something shiny and new is coming, especially since we still don't even know the price of said new console.

+1. It will be pretty stupid to throw away one current console that has a high install base over for a next gen console just because its all new... Like RACECAR said, we don't know the price of the PS4 so don't get excited yet. T_T

 

[Ranman20]

+1. It will be pretty stupid to throw away one current console that has a high install base over for a next gen console just because its all new... Like RACECAR said, we don't know the price of the PS4 so don't get excited yet. T_T

Who would want the PS3 to last longer? The PS3 is laggy, buggy and slow. Why waste the PS4 priorities and just use them to make GT6 look real good.

 

[TokoTurismo]

Who would want the PS3 to last longer? The PS3 is laggy, buggy and slow. Why waste the PS4 priorities and just use them to make GT6 look real good.

Well since SONY is going to still support the PS3 for the next few years while supporting PS4, what's the problem... And GT6 doesn't need the PS4 to look "all stylish" and fix all the errors that occured in GT5, because the PS3 can do the very same without needing the graphics changing.

If you want a real looking GT game for PS4, WAIT for GT7 and just ignore GT6, simple as.

 

[Nismo34]

Who would want the PS3 to last longer? The PS3 is laggy, buggy and slow. Why waste the PS4 priorities and just use them to make GT6 look real good.

As with any new product, the PS4 will be just like that for the first few months to a year after release until they can iron out all the kinks...

 

[tube chaser]

I see the verb want being overused by some folks in this thread. It would be wise to remember that the fact we want GT6 to be on a specific console, is secondary to which console its likely to be on. Speculate with your brain not your heart.

 

[AMPMROCKETFANN]

This has been an exciting thread. Yes, I would love to have GT6 on the PS3, however, I'll prolly buy it on either system. PS3 sooner (most likely on preorder) PS4 later. All I know is, info will be coming and we just gotta hold on. They may even be working on the trailer as I write this and I'm fairly sure they know what can be improved from GT5, (as much as I love it) and within the next few months we will have info. Until then, stay strong

 

[ElementRacer]

I see the verb want being overused by some folks in this thread. It would be wise to remember that the fact we want GT6 to be on a specific console, is secondary to which console its likely to be on. Speculate with your brain not your heart.

All I want is my Aussie fords back.

Lets face it. The Tickford Race Car is crap in gt5. And the FPVs were a no show.

PWEEAASSSEEE

 

[thelvynau]

All I want is my Aussie fords back.

Lets face it. The Tickford Race Car is crap in gt5. And the FPVs were a no show.

PWEEAASSSEEE

Im with you on this.

 

[ElementRacer]

Im with you on this.

You know it brother.

Well if the rumours of Bathurst in GT6 are true, then maybe we'll get the FG. FG vs VF Online Bathurst 1000 / 6 hour enduro

 

[thelvynau]

You know it brother.

Well if the rumours of Bathurst in GT6 are true, then maybe we'll get the FG. FG vs VF Online Bathurst 1000 / 6 hour enduro

You cant have bathurst without this years line up.

 

[ElementRacer]

You cant have bathurst without this years line up.

Well we have the C63 AMG so maybe if the altima turns up. Although PD love Nissan so that's a pretty good chance.

I can see at least 5 online bathurst enduro's during next years bathurst weekend

Edit: all this is funny as Erebus Motorsport is being advertised here lol

 

[20B_4ME]

The PS3 is here to stay for at least another 5 years. People forget that the PS2 is still being sold new in some countries and that has been out since 2000 (that's 13 years) and the PS3 in 2006 (that's 7 years). Sony has officially stated that the PS3 will be supported until at least 2015 (http://au.ign.com/articles/2012/09/24/sony-to-support-ps3-until-at-least-2015), plus there have been strong rumours that GT6 will come out this year BEFORE the PS4 gets released...

 

[05XR8]

I asked V8 Supercars if PD have taken photos of any cars as of yet. The only response I got was what we all know, that PD was at Mt Panorama to gather track info.
I hope we do get the 2013 line up and at least 4 liveries for each manufacturer. Unless they have modelled cars from 2011/2012 and add the NISMO and Erebus cars. I don't now how long it would take to model the Altima, E63 and liveries.

 

[Tenacious D]

GT6 doesn't need the PS4 to look "all stylish" and fix all the errors that occured in GT5, because the PS3 can do the very same without needing the graphics changing.

Not quite. I need to reiterate again that by the fourth year of a console's market life, most developers worth their office lease have mined the system for about all of its resources. And just to remind you guys, GT5 is the fourth product Polyphony Digital produced for PS3.

• Gran Turismo HD, December 2006
• Gran Turismo 5 Prologue, December 2007
• Gran Turismo 5 Time Trial, December 2009
• GT5 itself, November 2010

If GT6 comes out for PS3, I firmly believe that in order for it to be better in all areas - which I think is doable - something has to give. Screen resolution has to drop. Fewer polygons drawn in the distance, simpler distant textures, and texture detail focused on the "center of action." I don't know what to do about the shaders and hideous particle jaggies, but they both need a serious overhaul. Light sources likely can't be improved on, because light casting is a GPU expensive process. Keep in mind that all of two cars cast headlight illumination at night in GT5. Those wanting exhaust sound improvements might keep in mind that some racing games have to resort to generic samples for most cars, and some only have sound coming from your car, with some added samples from those near yours in-race. In particular, Toca 3 and Forza 4 only provided samples solely for your car in replays.

I could go on, but you guys who want to see better physics AND better sound AND better graphics and lighting AND better bot A.I. AND more cars on track AND a Livery Editor AND so on... really want GT6 to be on PS4, because PS3 has just about been tapped dry. This is why I much prefer for GT6 to be on PS4, because I want to see substantial improvements in all aspects of the game. Not just the equivalent of GT5 Ultimate Edition.

But, hey, I'll take what I can get. I won't like having the same 16 car race fields, and only two cars with illuminating headlights in night races. And yet, I would be happy as Larry to be free of the XP system, the paint chips, seeing the shaders and particle effects fixed - hopefully, and the bot A.I. learn how to keep pushing themselves and use the brakes properly. And having a more lifelike Career Mode, Season Modes for various racing leagues, tons of events to keep us busy, a solid online system with club, clan and league builder tools, an Event Maker good for offline as well as online use, a much expanded Course Maker, Race Mod expanded to all or almost all cars, with a range of bodykits to race enhance our rides, and a Livery Editor to personalize our racing machines the way real race drivers do, and hopefully more goodies besides, that would make for a solid, much loved GT6, and keep most of us busy till GT7 can roll around.

 

[Scaff]

Not quite. I need to reiterate again that by the fourth year of a console's market life, most developers worth their office lease have mined the system for about all of its resources. And just to remind you guys, GT5 is the fourth product Polyphony Digital produced for PS3.

• Gran Turismo HD, December 2006
• Gran Turismo 5 Prologue, December 2007
• Gran Turismo 5 Time Trial, December 2009
• GT5 itself, November 2010

If GT6 comes out for PS3, I firmly believe that in order for it to be better in all areas - which I think is doable - something has to give. Screen resolution has to drop. Fewer polygons drawn in the distance, simpler distant textures, and texture detail focused on the "center of action." I don't know what to do about the shaders and hideous particle jaggies, but they both need a serious overhaul. Light sources likely can't be improved on, because light casting is a GPU expensive process. Keep in mind that all of two cars cast headlight illumination at night in GT5. Those wanting exhaust sound improvements might keep in mind that some racing games have to resort to generic samples for most cars, and some only have sound coming from your car, with some added samples from those near yours in-race. In particular, Toca 3 and Forza 4 only provided samples solely for your car in replays.

I could go on, but you guys who want to see better physics AND better sound AND better graphics and lighting AND better bot A.I. AND more cars on track AND a Livery Editor AND so on... really want GT6 to be on PS4, because PS3 has just about been tapped dry. This is why I much prefer for GT6 to be on PS4, because I want to see substantial improvements in all aspects of the game. Not just the equivalent of GT5 Ultimate Edition.

But, hey, I'll take what I can get. I won't like having the same 16 car race fields, and only two cars with illuminating headlights in night races. And yet, I would be happy as Larry to be free of the XP system, the paint chips, seeing the shaders and particle effects fixed - hopefully, and the bot A.I. learn how to keep pushing themselves and use the brakes properly. And having a more lifelike Career Mode, Season Modes for various racing leagues, tons of events to keep us busy, a solid online system with club, clan and league builder tools, an Event Maker good for offline as well as online use, a much expanded Course Maker, Race Mod expanded to all or almost all cars, with a range of bodykits to race enhance our rides, and a Livery Editor to personalize our racing machines the way real race drivers do, and hopefully more goodies besides, that would make for a solid, much loved GT6, and keep most of us busy till GT7 can roll around.

Great post and while I understand and agree with quite bit in here I would add that some changes that could make a big difference without requiring a move to the PS4.

Before that however PD are still two titles behind last gen:

• GT3
• GT Concept (itself three releases)
• TT
• GT4P
• GT4 Online (beta test only - but the work was done)
• GT4

In regard to improvements PD could have been working on, well the obvious one for me would be a resolution drop to 720p, now that would have a minimal impact on the visual side of things (in my opinion) and would almost certainly free up enough to lock the frame rate and sort out the screen tearing. I also would not have an issue if PD 'borrowed' ideas from other titles to claw back system resource (such as 30fps mirrors in FM4) or even their own work in the likes of GTSP.

They could also make massive improvements in the physics by focusing on two areas alone, the most obvious would be the tyre model, and a move away from grip multipliers and to a simple 'magic formula' model would improve things (not enough but it would be a big improvement) and the other would be to improve the suspension model. Now the basic physics behind these two are not as hideous as many think and could be incorporated with little overall impact, but would make a good leap forward.

Add in the changes you highlighted in your last paragraph and the end result would be a GT6 that I might consider buying and it would still be on the PS3, allowing PD to make the most of that user base and also lay the groundwork for a much improved GT7 on the PS4.

For me if PD manage to achieve the above then they may (and its a big may right now) even get one customer looking at the PS4.

 

[Adam41]

I don't know what to do about the shaders and hideous particle jaggies, but they both need a serious overhaul.

How did GT5: Prologue do it in this regard?

I won't like having the same 16 car race fields

Do you have enjoyable 16 car race field races in GT5? I think I had a few at the start of GT5's life, when frame rate problems didn't seem to be as bad, especially in online lobbies. In online lobbies, it's best to go with a field of 12, a maximum of 13 or 14 on a good day (even without mics...). You can go with 16, but most drivers will experience frame rate issues and it's likely that some drivers will experience connection issues and get disconnected. I'd like to see a solid 16 car field race before that field number increases. And again, I'm sure GT5's 16 car field offline races were smoother than GT5's.

 

[nealcropper]

In online lobbies, it's best to go with a field of 12, a maximum of 13 or 14 on a good day (even without mics...). You can go with 16, but most drivers will experience frame rate issues and it's likely that some drivers will experience connection issues and get disconnected.

Let's not forget the issue where the in game clock would slow down for some people. Causing some cars to actually go slower than they normally would.

That was a doosie.

 

[Ranman20]

The PS3 is here to stay for at least another 5 years. People forget that the PS2 is still being sold new in some countries and that has been out since 2000 (that's 13 years) and the PS3 in 2006 (that's 7 years). Sony has officially stated that the PS3 will be supported until at least 2015 (http://au.ign.com/articles/2012/09/24/sony-to-support-ps3-until-at-least-2015), plus there have been strong rumours that GT6 will come out this year BEFORE the PS4 gets released...

That's bunkers bro. Maybe 2 more Years.

 

[AlvaroF]

That's bunkers bro. Maybe 2 more Years.

I, somehow, remember Sony saying that the PS3 would have a 10 year life cycle. If the year of launch was 2006, that means at least a supported life until 2015 as mentioned.

Don't forget we are in 2013. 2013+2=2015

 

[thelvynau]

Well we have the C63 AMG so maybe if the altima turns up. Although PD love Nissan so that's a pretty good chance.

I can see at least 5 online bathurst enduro's during next years bathurst weekend

Edit: all this is funny as Erebus Motorsport is being advertised here lol

If gt6 had bathurst and at least some of this years line up instant buy for me.