GT4 WRS Week 30 : "Taming the beast"

[VTRacing]

Thanks for the write-up holl, some interesting ideas there. 👍

Some better splits for me:

T2: 1'18.397
T6: 3'41.946
T10: 6'19.859

picked up 4.1 seconds at the line, still looking for more (of course).

 

[fasj6418]

ashemed to post splits after some of the times i saw, but...

well, due to time, i only race in OLR events... so, since i missed week 6, this is the first time i´m doing multiple laps at nurb... so like minorshunt and shigspeed, this is all new to me.

learning the car and the track, i decided to get a very slow lap, but clean, to have something to submit in case i miss all my attempts... so, braking in all the wrong places, i got this:

T2 - 1´19´704
T6 - 3´45´118
T10 - 6´24´515

"hope" to get at least 11 seconds by end of the week

 

[Drift260Z]

after reading holl01's write up(that was almost Senna-like description, unless you cheated and used the replay, heh), it gave me some ideas like left-foot braking. it feels kind of weird at first since I normally don't use it in GT4. but I saw 2 seconds drop from my time in after completing two laps(one warm-up lap, one time attack). now I'm not so sure what my quickest time could be or where my limit is since I felt so much more in control of the car, just I was paying attention to the speedo making sure I wasn't losing much speed. my new T10 time is an 6.18.863. I did see some 44 second T1 times and 1.18 T2 time, but no better. like I said, once I get used to left foot braking, I should see my time drop a good bunch. I'm still racking my brain as to how he is still 7 seconds faster.





rock.

 

[jmgyro]

had a feeling I was losing a lot there on that loop before T10. I lost a full second this time. I'm not sure if its just you're entering speed or what.

and again at 105 for the sweeping right

I entered at 99 mph there. I can't see how this would add up to a second since you said you had to lay off the gas while in the loop. And the car is way too heavy to turn in that loop.

 

[Dr_Watson]

to my fellow Div2 drivers... i'd really like to win this week.
so:

44.456
1'18.202
1'46.677
2'37.464
3'15.583
3'42.178
4'31.879
5'14.305
5'36.269
6'18.085
6'40.501

enjoy.

 

[KLR142]

I don't think he has raced here, because he tends to race over at GTTimes (where Jerome, Jump_Ace is originally from).

Would love to have you up here for the Lan, too ... maybe one day you can take a small vacation

Yeah, Bobkart hasn't raced here AFAIK... He doesn't do the greatest on hotlaps, but, like pat says, he does well in the multiple lap races... Very consistent driver...

 

[Casio]

I just ran one lap of this. I think that will be it. I can't believe how bad this car handles. Even with lowered weight it feels like I'm steering a boat. I also need huge sails to stop the thing...

If you're doing the leader board my T10 after one lap was 6'30.747....

 

[JIMB]

man ohh man this ones hard i'm not even close to them t times

 

[Electric.......]

I just ran one lap of this. I think that will be it. I can't believe how bad this car handles. Even with lowered weight it feels like I'm steering a boat. I also need huge sails to stop the thing...

If you're doing the leader board my T10 after one lap was 6'30.747....

I totally agree. I am soooo close to losing it completely.I mean,I spent whole last night trying to get at least a slow but clean lap,but without any sucess.this car is not very good tribute to CFM IMHO.Fully tuned Mazda MX-5(any version) would be sooo much better.......

 

[Tedehur]

I totally agree. I am soooo close to losing it completely.I mean,I spent whole last night trying to get at least a slow but clean lap,but without any sucess.this car is not very good tribute to CFM IMHO.Fully tuned Mazda MX-5(any version) would be sooo much better.......

You're right. But the track is a tribute to CFM, and the car is a tribute to Kent. I still don't have a clean save either but I'll submit anyway, even if it means submitting a 10 minutes lap
Next week will be a different race.
👍

 

[MisterWeary]

Well I disagree with the complaints, this car is awesome to drive and the Nurburgring is the most fun track to drive hands down. I'm still not up with the front runners but I've found a few more seconds:

T2: 1'20.313
T6: 3'44.842
T10: 6'25.563

I've had soooo many dirty laps but every now and again I'll get around the track clean. My lap above has atleast 3-5 seconds of cautious error-correcting but that's okay, I've still got a few days. Like I said before, once this week's done, no one will struggle with Mission 34.

Great combo Cyril, I love it 👍

 

[Kent]

Well I for one have enjoyed the race (more or less).

And I don't really see where these comments about the car's handling come from.
I know this thing isn't exactly an Elise or RX7, but it still handles pretty well and for a car over 1500kg it handles really well.

Throttle oversteer without wheelspin is actually a possibility and in a few parts of the track contributes to faster lap times.

Also, the turn in, contrary to how it may feel from time to time, is rather good compared to what it first feels like.

When I first ran this I thought the car was too heavy for good braking or handling, at this point though, I feel like this car is a highly interesting pick for the WRS.

Plus, in the end, I would rather run this than anything on N tires.

Anyway, I'm going to try a few laps and see what I can come up with.
If nothing happens then I may come back just to say boo-hoo.

If I manage something I will come back and let you all know what's up.
Till then,
Keep it clean and fast...

 

[Jump_Ace]

Well, I dunno about y'all, but this one is extremely difficult. Seen as how its my first time hotlapping this place for more than an hour, I'm WAY off pace. Is it Tuesday yet? With a diry lap (and still keeping almost the same pace as if it was clean) I managed a 6:21 . I am losing ALL my time from T6 to T10. Thats funny I remember golding that license test in the Mazda.....lol. I'm about a half second behind Dion as of T6, then well, as of T10 I'm not so close. I wish I could pick a T sector to start on to practice so I dont have to do the WHOLE thing every time. O well, there's still some days left to race.

jump_ace

 

[Kent]

Well it's not a major improvement but I've done a new best lap.

Don't know the T times off the top of my head so I will spare you all the guessing.

However, I was stoked about this one because of what happend.
You see, my best lap of the session was also my fastest lap yet.
However, it was dirty... Well I didn't think about it too much until my next lap.
Suddenly at about T10 I realized that my clean lap was .1 ahead of my dirty lap and that meant one little error in the final sector would drop me below the speed of the dirty lap and therefore, I wouldn't be able to save the best clean lap.

However, some how I managed to stay .059 ahead of my dirty lap at the finish.



ps... no it is not tuesday yet.
pps... I suggest we all try to enjoy the ring while we have it in the wrs. 👍

 

[Small_Fryz]

Good to hear Kent. I hope to get some track time in over the weekend and claw back some positions. Should see around 3 - 4 seconds fall off then after that it will be like drawing blood from a stone and i will still be 5 - 6 seconds behind Veil and Holl01

5'51.722 Small_Fryz
5'51.812 CFM
5'51.942 VEXD

Will be fun racing you 2 guys again!! 👍

We all have very similar T10's this week also!!

 

[SHigSpeed]

Well I disagree with the complaints, this car is awesome to drive and the Nurburgring is the most fun track to drive hands down. I'm still not up with the front runners but I've found a few more seconds:

T2: 1'20.313
T6: 3'44.842
T10: 6'25.563

I've had soooo many dirty laps but every now and again I'll get around the track clean. My lap above has atleast 3-5 seconds of cautious error-correcting but that's okay, I've still got a few days. Like I said before, once this week's done, no one will struggle with Mission 34.

Great combo Cyril, I love it 👍

I sure as hell hope that I won't struggle at M34, however after another few laps (granted it was on the DS2) last night I was still only able to get down to a dirty 6'40ish T10. I did realize that I may have been running before without modification (+20%/-10%) but it's still gonna be a loooong weekend.

I did notice that the handling dynamics and P:W seemed in the same ballpark as the McLaren. Last time I could take a lot of corners flat in the TT that I couldn't in the SLR so the experience didn't translate well. This time it seems a lot more comparable with the mass, early braking, coasting through corners, etc. Now if I could only disable aids on the McLaren...

Back to work. Probably won't get any real seat time until tomorrow night. :^(

-SHig

 

[Kent]

Good to hear Kent. I hope to get some track time in over the weekend and claw back some positions. Should see around 3 - 4 seconds fall off then after that it will be like drawing blood from a stone and i will still be 5 - 6 seconds behind Veil and Holl01





Will be fun racing you 2 guys again!! 👍

We all have very similar T10's this week also!!

Thanks...

What about me?
I'm hoping to keep up and with any luck (which will be needed), I hope to beat out all of division 2 simply because I'm in division 1.

I also say that because I can't stand seeing people qualify in division 2 or 3 and then whip arse in the races... That's because I created and ran the qualifier then earned D1 without any trouble and without much work at all (not even half the work I've put into this race so far), yet D2 or lower means you didn't even match up to that performance, so it is hard for me to see such inconsistant performances. Oh well.

Anyway, I hope to give CFM, Fryz, and whoever else a run for their money this week.
That said, I expect to come in close to last in D1 if not last.

No big deal though.
Atleast I will still have a clean replay for all those who I beat... Because really, nothing fights the sting of defeat quite like verification.

Now, I have a question for Flat-Out...
When you said "concrete is part of the track" did you mean all concrete?

Specifically,
The concrete on the left hand side of the final right hand turn?

I don't think that should be part of the track.

Now, the concrete "rumbles" on the edges of the track throughout the course, those are "track" in my opinion. 👍

Even the concrete on the outside of red-n-white rumbles is part of the track in my opinion.

However, that small section of concrete on the left at the end of the track is off-limits in my opinion.

Now, take that for what you will.

I'm not saying that my views are how the rules are setup, I'm just saying how I play...
You will not see me jumping out to the far left before the final right hander- I will have 2 tires on the inside of that rumble regardless of the rules.

Sure it will cost me time, but hopefully it will not cost me respect... And more importantly, the "profit" I get from it will not be for selling out my character, if anything, the profit will be from doing my best without "shady" racing.

Btw, I don't mean to insult any of you who assumed that concrete was part of the track... It's not like that.
I just don't believe in using areas of concrete that aren't part of the track in my opinion.
So yeah...

What's the verdict on that flat-out?

Anyway, later.

 

[Drift260Z]

to my fellow Div2 drivers... i'd really like to win this week.
so:

44.456
1'18.202
1'46.677
2'37.464
3'15.583
3'42.178
4'31.879
5'14.305
5'36.269
6'18.085
6'40.501

enjoy.

I kept seeing 1.5 seconds off in previous laps, so I know I can get into the 6.16/17's, but I kepty throwing away the lap when a wheel gets off the track. so I am going to do my best to win this week. oh yea, I use a DFP.





rock.

 

[Tedehur]

Now, I have a question for Flat-Out...
When you said "concrete is part of the track" did you mean all concrete?

Specifically,
The concrete on the left hand side of the final right hand turn?

I don't think that should be part of the track.
What's the verdict on that flat-out?

I must admit I haven't been very often that far on the track, except when the session starts
I'm now at work and can't check it immediately. I know there are cones on the outside of the final right-hander, but I don't see clearly where you can save some time over there. I'll check that tonight when I'm back home and let you know.

 

[MinorShunt]

That said, I expect to come in close to last in D1 if not last.

Now wait just a gol darn minute Kent! If it's a fight for last that you desire, it's a fight you will get!

Currently my best clean T6 split is in the 6' 24 neighborhood. If I'm not mistaken, that split is more than just a wee bit slower than yours.

So don't be tryin' to horn in on my territory quite so quick sir!

Last night's session was a disaster zone. Kinda like what SHig said......I couldn't concentrate, and couldn't get into it, so chucked the whole thing after a half hour and got on with something more productive...........like watching reruns of South Park.

 

[Jump_Ace]

Now wait just a gol darn minute Kent! If it's a fight for last that you desire, it's a fight you will get!

Currently my best clean T6 split is in the 6' 24 neighborhood. If I'm not mistaken, that split is more than just a wee bit slower than yours.

So don't be tryin' to horn in on my territory quite so quick sir!

Last night's session was a disaster zone. Kinda like what SHig said......I couldn't concentrate, and couldn't get into it, so chucked the whole thing after a half hour and got on with something more productive...........like watching reruns of South Park.

Woah! Oddly that's EXACTLY what I did last night with no improvement; season 5 south park; CRIPPLE FIGHT!!!! Will only have an hour or so tonight for the Ring, that translates into about what 3 laps? heheh.

Jerome

 

[Kolyana]

Board updated 👍

 

[KLR142]

Wow, if you're complaining about this car's handling, then you must not know a good handling car when you drive one or something. Don't call it a bad handling car just because it didn't get better tires/brakes/suspension to go with the 20% increase in power... This car handles insanely well, it's just a bit under tired when we turn up the heat in arcade mode. Awesome car, no doubt about it. Now I'm off to go beat my pathetic times. Done two clean laps so far, both slow. Second one faster than the first though. And this next one's going to be another 5 seconds faster at least, but too bad that'll still leave me with something around 6'28 or so at T10. We'll see.

PS. This car is awesome. Period. Just has a bit too much power for it's setup when we boost the HP 20%, just like almost 99% of the other arcade cars we do like this...

 

[Electric.......]

The car has decent handling but it is front-heavy,and I tend to avoid front-heavy cars,plus it is a car you can't simpy drive using "point-and-shoot" style.

Time at t10: 6'28:xxx.

did a 6'21:223 on t10, but the lap was dirty.

 

[LeadSlead#2]

hey guys, don't mean to barge in here, but I'm curious as to why you share T10 times here. Because it seems to me that if you know the T10 time, you pretty much know the lap time. I currently can't really race in the WRS--due to having no way to verify times other than snail mailing video or mem card...when I get the $$ to buy the thing (whatever it's called) to upload replays, I'll definatly join up, till then, I'll be racing down the sideline-just seeing how I stack up.
I know with most tracks you cant really tell the lap time from the last T-section, but with the Ring it's pretty much given away--by T-10----just wondering

 

[Kent]

hey guys, don't mean to barge in here, but I'm curious as to why you share T10 times here. Because it seems to me that if you know the T10 time, you pretty much know the lap time. I currently can't really race in the WRS--due to having no way to verify times other than snail mailing video or mem card...when I get the $$ to buy the thing (whatever it's called) to upload replays, I'll definatly join up, till then, I'll be racing down the sideline-just seeing how I stack up.
I know with most tracks you cant really tell the lap time from the last T-section, but with the Ring it's pretty much given away--by T-10----just wondering

Well...

I think providing the T times can promote competition as well as improvements.
When you learn where time is lost it can become easier to improve final lap times. 👍

Also, the competition for a faster time between racers seperated by 1 second or less at T10 is intense.
Might push them to get that extra .1
Just having a race that close is satisfying.

Giving out our t times lets us encourage or intimidate or whatever.

Plus, no one has said they are mandatory so don't bother with them if you really don't want to.
Every now and again that sort of thing (not giving out your times and then participating) can get people upset, I wouldn't worry about that.

Point is...
We give out T times because we want to.

Anyway, I'm out.
Later.

 

[KLR142]

Been at it for an hour-ish now... Did a few laps in versions without the full 20% power spike, and it was much easier to get around the track smoothly. Now, I've been back in the 20%+ one and I was doing alright, I've had 3-5 laps around my 5 second faster time, and one was beautiful, fastest yet, 3 seconds ahead of even my fastest dirty one, and it was clean, up until the section somewhere in T7 or T8 or around there, where you're trying to go fast and downhill at the same time, but it's bumpy. On the second one of these downhill rushes, my car got just a tad sideways on one of the jumps and I over corrected and went the other way and into the F'n wall. Now I'm having trouble sticking to the track.

If we do anymore arcade street cars, I most definitely don't want to be seeing these dumb hp increases, unless it's only like 10% to match the possible braking and handling increases from the 10% weight decrease. And damn, with this much horsepower and speed around the ring, you definitely need some downforce. WHERE'S MY DOWNFORCE! Argh. I need that faster lap. It's still only like a damn 6'27 or so at T10. WEAK.


*annoyed*

 

[Dr_Watson]

PS. This car is awesome. Period. Just has a bit too much power for it's setup when we boost the HP 20%, just like almost 99% of the other arcade cars we do like this...

the power isn't a problem. its the squshey suspension that i don't like.
the turning response and body roll makes is feel more like a roller than an aston. As Clarkson will tell you; the position on the cool wall has nothing to do with the car's performance, merely its coolness. Some cool cars are not the most fun to drive, and some fun cars are not cool. The DB9 is one of the sexiest, and coolest cars ever made... but its a bit too civialized and porkey for my tastes. I much prefer the SLR, considering I can rip that around the ring in totally stock form 10-20 seconds a lap faster than the up-tuned aston.

hey guys, don't mean to barge in here, but I'm curious as to why you share T10 times here. Because it seems to me that if you know the T10 time, you pretty much know the lap time. I currently can't really race in the WRS--due to having no way to verify times other than snail mailing video or mem card...when I get the $$ to buy the thing (whatever it's called) to upload replays, I'll definatly join up, till then, I'll be racing down the sideline-just seeing how I stack up.
I know with most tracks you cant really tell the lap time from the last T-section, but with the Ring it's pretty much given away--by T-10----just wondering

perhaps because its more fun to push eachother all week than just submit blind times. and hope for the best.

 

[Dr_Watson]

I kept seeing 1.5 seconds off in previous laps, so I know I can get into the 6.16/17's, but I kepty throwing away the lap when a wheel gets off the track. so I am going to do my best to win this week. oh yea, I use a DFP.
rock.

ok then... its officially on. 👍

 

[Kent]

I must admit I haven't been very often that far on the track, except when the session starts
I'm now at work and can't check it immediately. I know there are cones on the outside of the final right-hander, but I don't see clearly where you can save some time over there. I'll check that tonight when I'm back home and let you know.

I hadn't noticed this post earlier (was on a different page).

Basically, the last right hander is one of those with a bit of concrete on the left, it's possible that someone could run out to the left to get a wider angle on the approaching right.

One thing to account for in this is my own guessing...

I've never actually cut far left to see if the angles work out well.
Maybe I will check it out next time I start a lap... (when you start a new lap in free run it is the final right before a lap begins).

Anyway, don't sweat it too much.
Gotta run,
Later.