I remember that there was supposed to be a GT5, when the PS3 was first launched. Then they scrapped it completely, and released GT5P some time later. So if you think about it GT5 has been postponed more than twice and has been in production for over FIVE YEARS!! The reason why this sucks is, while we all are sure GT5 will be better than Forza 3, Dirt 2, the next NFS etc. etc. It's not going to be five yrs. worth of time better! Also, if the game has one glitch, and I mean ONE, its going back! I'll wait on Forza 4, which from what I've seen so far, is going to be sick!! Basically, PD needs to step their game up......LITERALLY! Their like drug dealers.....you may not like them very much,but you love their product! But somebody needs to let them know that their not the only dealers on the block! LOLOL