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All tracks now are categorised into 3: Low, Medium or High Speed circuits. There are separate (though very similar) BoPs for each of these categories.
Here's the findings so far for high and medium, for example.
GT7 Daily Race Discussion
- Thread starter Pigems
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Here's the findings so far for high and medium, for example.
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- Grand_Slammin
I think it’s because they’re overpowered compared to all the other cars. Daily B races are usually dominated by either the GT-R or Alfa Romeo. BoP should make it wide open for all (most?) cars, but the 4WD cars just rule the Gr4 races.
@Nebuc72 Thanks for that! I was checking GT-Eng!ne this morning and didn’t see anything so I was running blind (I’m not on Twitter).
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I do wonder if they allowed Soft or Medium tires in these spring races if the 2wd car would have a better chance.
I think the other issue is so many course have such long straights. Weirdly though nurburgring was the most handle centric track we have done in a while, yes the long straight but I was actually faster in several cars that week than the GTR.
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- Grand_Slammin
I'm seeing it too: they reduced the power and weight and made it . . . more efficient?! Wha???
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- Canada
Had some really tight races in race C last night, interesting to watch replays as it is clear i am just not able to carry the mid corner speed faster A and A+ guys can. I brake well, get on the gas well but mid corner i am down a few kmh on the top slit runners. This is particularly noticeable at the first chicane, i hit my brake marker perfectly, not too late so i can carry speed but I just need that milisecond to settle the car before i lay on the gas and the top slit guys don't, they carry that touch more mid corner and point the car to the right faster than I do so get on the gas that tiny bit earlier and i simply cannot do it.
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- Grand_Slammin
You ever have one of those days in real life where you're a little drowsy at the wheel and just zone out. Not exactly sleeping, but pretty darn close? That's my racing today! I mean dang! Ok, so I've had insomnia for around six months, and I race whenever I'm awake rather than stay in bed and stare at the clock. Today it finally caught up with me!
I had the perfect situation this morning in Race B after the update where I started pole in a pretty slow lobby, three times in a row! I won the first race because I had a little competition on the last sector. The second race I was ahead by nearly 2 seconds on lap 2 and then . . . just couldn't remember where I was or what I was doing. I don't think I actually fell asleep, but close to it as I just missed a turn and fell behind several cars, finishing P5. The next race I started pole again and led by nearly 2 seconds only to doze off again and lose one spot and finish P2. I just blew it! I won't have that kind of opportunity again.
I came back later and did another two or three races (can't even remember now), starting P2 or P3, and didn't do well on the first (P7 finish) just because I was a little rusty. Then the next two races I couldn't keep pace with the leader. I was in P3 on race 2 but the second place guy quit at the finish line so I got a bonus P2 finish! And then in the third race I had P2 locked up and fell asleep again, falling to P5 I think.
It's all pretty vague in my mind, which means either I need to step away for a while, or that the race has become boring. I don't think I'm bored with it, but when it's a procession of cars maybe that is the boredom setting in?
Anyway, I was hoping to wake up with some major BoP adjustments and some new cars to try out but I don't think that's the case. Same meta cars unfortunately (which makes me think maybe it really is boredom and not sleeplessness . . .).
I had the perfect situation this morning in Race B after the update where I started pole in a pretty slow lobby, three times in a row! I won the first race because I had a little competition on the last sector. The second race I was ahead by nearly 2 seconds on lap 2 and then . . . just couldn't remember where I was or what I was doing. I don't think I actually fell asleep, but close to it as I just missed a turn and fell behind several cars, finishing P5. The next race I started pole again and led by nearly 2 seconds only to doze off again and lose one spot and finish P2. I just blew it! I won't have that kind of opportunity again.
I came back later and did another two or three races (can't even remember now), starting P2 or P3, and didn't do well on the first (P7 finish) just because I was a little rusty. Then the next two races I couldn't keep pace with the leader. I was in P3 on race 2 but the second place guy quit at the finish line so I got a bonus P2 finish! And then in the third race I had P2 locked up and fell asleep again, falling to P5 I think.
It's all pretty vague in my mind, which means either I need to step away for a while, or that the race has become boring. I don't think I'm bored with it, but when it's a procession of cars maybe that is the boredom setting in?
Anyway, I was hoping to wake up with some major BoP adjustments and some new cars to try out but I don't think that's the case. Same meta cars unfortunately (which makes me think maybe it really is boredom and not sleeplessness . . .).
I'm having identical problems. I can't get the car set up for the turn in/turn out like the "pros" can so I'm losing time, as much as half a second on some turns compared to the guys who suddenly appear in my rearview mirror. I've watched some YT videos and try to replicate what they're doing, and think I'm doing it, but there's some time warp or something when I actually try to apply their techniques! If you find a solution please let me know! I could use the advice. I was stuck behind a guy today at P1 who was just pulling away from me by about a second a lap! Very frustrating because I can actually see what he's doing but I can't duplicate it. And I'm not going to experiment mid-race (ok, I did once and learned my lesson).
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watch their braking efforts. Compare to your braking effort Whether on controller or wheel/pedal they are really good at trail braking. I watch so many people in the Lower A and below range and their basically treat the brake like an on and off switch with no hint and trail braking on hard braking zone corners like the Monza chicane this week, or the light efforts needed for Daily B this week.
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I am essentially trail braking, these are short corners so i am entering at the same pace, it's RIGHT at mid corner where they can rotate the car faster (remember these are chicanes so it's not about one long corner it's left/right) and have it pointing to the right quicker than I can. I am about 8 tenths off of them in clean air and 5 tenths of that is the first chicane.
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- sturk0167
You and I use the same inputs. I can say that in a lot of cars, if you quickly tap the X button right after you release the square, the rotation initiates right away, rather than coasting and waiting for the front end to get pointed in the right direction.
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If you crank it briefly at 6000 to 6250 rpm you'll have hardly any less top speed than the GT-R at this track, but unfortunately it lacks a bit of power/grip out of the slower corners. In the curve, the BMW is sometimes even faster.Got a win on the 2 account with the........ BMW? Wanted to try out some different cars so I grabbed the BMW. Handles great but is a slug on the straights. I don't recall the numbers but giving up something like 10mph on the back straight. Did some practice/"quali" laps before the race and was a solid two seconds slower than my Mustang quali time of 21.1 (and 2.5 seconds slower than my #1 account GTR time 20.6).
Oh well, whatever, who cares, that's what this #2 account for is anyway. Almost feel bad for using this #2 account all week for races but the irony is nine out of 10 times I'd be in the exact same lobby anyway as most of the time it's A+ to B ratings, and I'd only be starting a few places up the ladder on the main account anyway. Plus, I'd feel obligated to run the GTR so I could actually compete!
Anyway, this was going to be my last race of the night anyway and it ended up being a full B lobby. I was starting on pole. Knew it was only a matter of time before the GTRs ate me alive, I was losing ~.50-.75" on the back straight alone. By the beginning of lap two that's what happened so one got passed and started to pull away on the straights. But, at the end of lap two, on the last turn he clipped the grass and crashed.
Back into 1st, just need to hold off a different GTR behind... which thankfully the twisty bits were enough to build a gap he couldn't make up on the straights.
That was s fun one.
That's one hell of a lap time!
I really like the M4 but wouldn't use it in the race because I don't just drive for fun.. I want to finish as high as possible or win if possible.
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@Sven Jurgens You‘re the go to man with all things DR. Is it possible to lose DR even though I’ve done a bunch of races this week and come 2-4 every time?. The lobby always consists of the same A+ guy in first who wins and then all A/B. I’m only going by eye but I swear it’s gone down.
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- sturk0167
In GT Sport, it is possible to finish 2nd and lose DR points. Not certain about GT7, but I think the points are about the same.
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- TechnoIsLove
That really is crap coding from PD's part. A podium should never result in a points deduction, especially if your starting and finishing position remains the same.
Having this consequence only encourages dirty tactics, knowing that unless you overtake you will take a hit!
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@NevilleNobody JDM is right. I did some quali laps just now and used a lot less brake than I was before. I was stomping on the brake for the hard corners (first, after bridge, after long straight, and last) and I discovered if I use what at least feels like half brake I not only was just as effective, but it didn't throw the car out of balance as much and allowed me to turn into the corners much much easier.
I don't know what you use for inputs, but being able to trail brake, or use half brake at the least, is making a huge difference for me.
Unfortunately as soon as I jumped into a race after the quali laps I couldn't test this because a new bug popped up from the 1.19 update which basically wouldn't allow me to accelerate past second gear. The entire field passed me before the start line and I had to quit.
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I read a post that @Famine made in a thread a monthish ago that laid it all out; it was very easy to follow. I tried for a min but couldn't find it; if he's in a good mood maybe he will.
The gist of it, as I understand it, is it's 100% dependent on who you finish ahead of and who you finish below, as everyone in the lobby is stealing DR from everyone else. Let's just say there is a lobby with 10 people. Everyone except you is a C rated driver and you're an A+. If you finish 2nd, the C rated driver in first is going to take A LOT more DR from you, than you will take from the remaining C rated drivers in positions 3-10. Thus, you finished 2nd but lost DR.
That is another "risk" when lobbies are thin. When there is A+ thru B, should something happen to you (say there's a spin or a punt), you drop way back and finish back there, your DR is going to take a big hit; whereas if you finish with the other A+ guy, your DR won't gain much at all.
Someone can correct me if I am wrong here.
I did a Daily B on my 1 account today and ran in to this issue. Was starting P3 and there were A+ thru B rated drivers. I was thinking, if I bin this car it's going to hurt. Thankfully, I finished P2 (in the Mustang to boot)!
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- schlafhund
True. Can confirm. Had it happen several times while researching during Big Willow times in GTS.
Makes sense given what some lobbies can look like. Imagine this, which is kind of what a select example race from those times I remember might’ve looked like. Myself at 82,000 finishing 2nd, the winner at 67,000. 3rd to 16th being around 30 - 40,000 DR. That’s a net loss. 2nd or 3rd is completely insignificant if the numbers difference is that heavy.
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I had a good time watching @Stilva in my rearview mirror tonight. At least I hope that was you and not some random (confused) stranger with your handle! I watched a replay where you disappeared behind me and now I see what you were talking about: that green on T1 is fickle! I was sure I caught it in the next race but I must have had the outside edge of a tire on the white line . . .
Got a couple more P1s in a mostly B lobby and then did ok in an A+/A/B lobby. I'm getting dangerously close to a DR A, which terrifies me.
Got a couple more P1s in a mostly B lobby and then did ok in an A+/A/B lobby. I'm getting dangerously close to a DR A, which terrifies me.
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3 races for me tonight. Beforehand, I get my qualifying time down to a 2:21.7XX with another half second somewhere.
Race 1, I'm in a room with @sturk0167 and thanks to the chat function that should have always been there I give a friendly hello. The race starts and I'm stuck behind P8 as I can't find a safe opportunity to pass. They are braking early and throwing me off. As a result, I hit the wall coming out of the sweeping right-hander and touch the wall. Then I try to drive out of it and hit the opposite wall and break my car. I do charge back and make a the bad type of lunge on the last corner and finish P12.
Races 2 and 3 are with another member here in @Bullwinkle. I'm in P3 to start and cut the first turn way too much and get a 1 second penalty. Don't do that, that's bad. I go wide coming out of the blind apex turn, touch the wall, then serve my penalty. I'm down to P8 after all of that. I have some great door to door racing with P6, P7, and myself all swapping spots over the next 2 laps. I do get a great run out of the blind apex turn and rocket past and make a pass to finish P7.
Race 3 I'm P8 and nothing of note really happens. More of the same great door-to-door racing with some contact, but nothing major or intentional. I take my time waiting for mistakes to happen in front of me and I eventually get to P6 in the end with the clean race bonus. It was nice to have a race where I wasn't on a recovery drive to salvage some DR. Overall, real clean racing all night, outside of my lunge in race 1.
Race 1, I'm in a room with @sturk0167 and thanks to the chat function that should have always been there I give a friendly hello. The race starts and I'm stuck behind P8 as I can't find a safe opportunity to pass. They are braking early and throwing me off. As a result, I hit the wall coming out of the sweeping right-hander and touch the wall. Then I try to drive out of it and hit the opposite wall and break my car. I do charge back and make a the bad type of lunge on the last corner and finish P12.
Races 2 and 3 are with another member here in @Bullwinkle. I'm in P3 to start and cut the first turn way too much and get a 1 second penalty. Don't do that, that's bad. I go wide coming out of the blind apex turn, touch the wall, then serve my penalty. I'm down to P8 after all of that. I have some great door to door racing with P6, P7, and myself all swapping spots over the next 2 laps. I do get a great run out of the blind apex turn and rocket past and make a pass to finish P7.
Race 3 I'm P8 and nothing of note really happens. More of the same great door-to-door racing with some contact, but nothing major or intentional. I take my time waiting for mistakes to happen in front of me and I eventually get to P6 in the end with the clean race bonus. It was nice to have a race where I wasn't on a recovery drive to salvage some DR. Overall, real clean racing all night, outside of my lunge in race 1.
Yeah, that was me in your rear-view mirror lol. I saw P2 go wide in that first race and tried to take advantage and failed miserably. My normal line would have got them I would like to think. I still had a decent finish despite my penalty. Good racing with you, I'll know not to punt to pass or make an outrageous dive-bomb on you in the future.
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I can’t figure out how to get the @ to work on those chat messages. Give me a hint.
Also, I noticed they left out a bunch of automated messages that would be really useful, like “you suck” and “______ is dirty af” and things like that. I think those would be a lot more handy than “what a jolly good race, and how clean it was!”
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If it works the same GTS just pull up the pre made messages and then first click on the name of the player at the top of the screen and then your message. 🍻
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- sturk0167
I should have expected this, but there was nothing else to do.
The Mexican guy was swerving on the straights from the very beginning of the race. I was already planning to comment about it after the race.
*If you get beaten off of a corner by the car behind, be a man about it, and take your medicine. Don't swerve around like an idiot.
This is the final lap. I didn't do anything to him, but I should have known that someone who swerves on the straights is someone who can't stand to get passed. Normally, I don't post full laps, because I know people lose interest if replays are long. I just wanted to show that I was racing him clean.
I was using the Subaru, even though anything other than a GT-R is a red-headed stepkid at race B.
WTH? F.O. Banana Republic.
Anyways, you'll see what happens at the end.
The guy apologized, afterwards.
Why would you apologize? It wasn't accidental. 
Be cautious when passing someone who swerves on the straights. They should not to be trusted.
The Mexican guy was swerving on the straights from the very beginning of the race. I was already planning to comment about it after the race.
*If you get beaten off of a corner by the car behind, be a man about it, and take your medicine. Don't swerve around like an idiot.
This is the final lap. I didn't do anything to him, but I should have known that someone who swerves on the straights is someone who can't stand to get passed. Normally, I don't post full laps, because I know people lose interest if replays are long. I just wanted to show that I was racing him clean.
I was using the Subaru, even though anything other than a GT-R is a red-headed stepkid at race B.
WTH? F.O. Banana Republic.
Anyways, you'll see what happens at the end.
The guy apologized, afterwards.
Why would you apologize? It wasn't accidental. Be cautious when passing someone who swerves on the straights. They should not to be trusted.
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@sturk0167 Now, if Kaz’s algorithm and game overall was advanced enough, that would be a black flag and in real life he would be in jail. Happened to me once on that monstrous Route X or whatever it’s called.
Anyway, in race C this week at Monza, I just can’t be fast enough due to TC at 0 and being at constant fear of spinning out. Variante della Roggia is a nightmare, I have to drive there like I’m tiptoeing on eggs or something. I’m not used to TC 0 at all. If you go TC1 it kicks into overdrive and you’re so much slower.
Anyway, in race C this week at Monza, I just can’t be fast enough due to TC at 0 and being at constant fear of spinning out. Variante della Roggia is a nightmare, I have to drive there like I’m tiptoeing on eggs or something. I’m not used to TC 0 at all. If you go TC1 it kicks into overdrive and you’re so much slower.
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