GT7 Daily Race Discussion

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I'm trying out Race B at my "home" track of Watkins Glen this week. I had a struggled a bunch the last time there was a daily race here and I wanted to focus my attention on this race the next time it came up. I trying Mustang and I think I can make some decent laps with it with more practice. I'm having a much better go around with he track this time, and so far have a time of 1:56.5XX. I might be able to to get a sub 1:56 time but I need to nail the bus stop turn on a consistent basis and I'm not quite there yet. I found the GT-R too tough to handle around the track especially in the bus stop for me at least. I haven't tried the Genesis yet, but I'll see what it can do tomorrow.
 
I really like watkins glen but the race is simply too short especially with rolling start. The 3 races I've done so far, the top 5 starting positions are the top 5 finishing positions without position changes
 
I really like watkins glen but the race is simply too short especially with rolling start. The 3 races I've done so far, the top 5 starting positions are the top 5 finishing positions without position changes
I was thinking where are the best overtaking spots on the circuit? Problem is, there are few which increases the risk of punting too. Probably best spot is before the chicane, which means you need a powerful car.
 
I was thinking where are the best overtaking spots on the circuit? Problem is, there are few which increases the risk of punting too. Probably best spot is before the chicane, which means you need a powerful car.
yea best spot is before the bus stop , also in the long variant the boot is a good place too
 
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Decided to just do qualification laps for now but god, Watkins Glen is worse than RBR for track limits. Got pinged on 6 different corners.
 
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I really like watkins glen but the race is simply too short especially with rolling start. The 3 races I've done so far, the top 5 starting positions are the top 5 finishing positions without position changes
Slight change, just had a win after starting 2nd and the guy in front binned himself. Top 5 unchanged aside from that though, again...

The rolling start has everyone sort of just outside slipstream. And the lobbies I get, everyone is about the same pace, which is about 1:55 flat (with qualifying high 1:53/low 1:54, mine is at 1:54.0). So there's only 2 ways to get overtakes
1. Someone bins it or makes a bad enough mistake, which has been rare, happen to one guy in top 5 of the last 4 races I had
2. Go yolo pace through bus stop to try make up that second (seems most people, myself included, are racing around 0.5-1sec off qualifying pace largely due to taking bus stop more conservatively), which doesn't guarantee a pass but could put you in range. Or it might murder you and cost you a handful of positions or a penalty...lol

Kind of unfortunate, the group 3 race here prior was much more interesting
 
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Slight change, just had a win after starting 2nd and the guy in front binned himself. Top 5 unchanged aside from that though, again...

The rolling start has everyone sort of just outside slipstream. And the lobbies I get, everyone is about the same pace, which is about 1:55 flat (with qualifying high 1:53/low 1:54, mine is at 1:54.0). So there's only 2 ways to get overtakes
1. Someone bins it or makes a bad enough mistake, which has been rare, happen to one guy in top 5 of the last 4 races I had
2. Go yolo pace through bus stop to try make up that second (seems most people, myself included, are racing around 0.5-1sec off qualifying pace largely due to taking bus stop more conservatively), which doesn't guarantee a pass but could put you in range. Or it might murder you and cost you a handful of positions or a penalty...lol

Kind of unfortunate, the group 3 race here prior was much more interesting
with a bit more tire wear in Race C we would have at least had a variety but as it is both tracks are similar to drive, with similar passing issues and no need for stops or conserving of anything. At least it's fun to rattle around the Gr 3's on medium tires for a while.
 
Race A looks tempting for me! Love the E46 M3, and having the Z4-swapped version compatible for the race makes it even more inviting!
I'm finding it really fun. A little bit of a shame, because the Z4 swapped cars are a little imbalanced. No problem though, no DR impact means you're able to just focus on your own race against your own opponents.
 
Race A looks tempting for me! Love the E46 M3, and having the Z4-swapped version compatible for the race makes it even more inviting!
I'm finding it really fun. A little bit of a shame, because the Z4 swapped cars are a little imbalanced. No problem though, no DR impact means you're able to just focus on your own race against your own opponents.
Is it worth swapping engines, since it adds way too much HP and weight? By the time you restrict it, is it worth all the extra weight on the vehicle?

And why did they set a minimum weight that is so far below stock??
 
Is it worth swapping engines, since it adds way too much HP and weight? By the time you restrict it, is it worth all the extra weight on the vehicle?

And why did they set a minimum weight that is so far below stock??
I thought the same on the engine swap - the cars are so drifty with the normal engine I didn't see the point in much more power but the swapped ones do seem to be doing better!
 
They are gaining on the straights, for sure. Pretty tight still on the twisty bits

I thought the same on the engine swap - the cars are so drifty with the normal engine I didn't see the point in much more power but the swapped ones do seem to be doing better!
 
Is it worth swapping engines, since it adds way too much HP and weight? By the time you restrict it, is it worth all the extra weight on the vehicle?
I haven't looked at the cars in too much detail, but don't look just at the peak power value. Look at the power curve (and the torque curve and peak).

The one that has the largest area under the power curve is the one that probably has the advantage.
 
I haven't looked at the cars in too much detail, but don't look just at the peak power value. Look at the power curve (and the torque curve and peak).

The one that has the largest area under the power curve is the one that probably has the advantage.
This. The V8 from the Z4 GT3 has much more torque so delivers acceleration much earlier. The S54 engine in the M3 is a brilliant engine but really needs to be revved to deliver any power.
 
Here's my updated lap and tune for Race A that's still in the top 10.

This shouldn't be allowed to work, because the car looks so weird with the jacked up rear suspension.😜

But it does. Shaved almost 2 seconds off of my previous best lap. P64 in the world right after I did it. I've never been so far up the leaderboard. I assume that still indicates how few people are actually running Race A or at least the qualifying laps.
 
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This shouldn't be allowed to work, because the car looks so weird with the jacked up rear suspension.😜

But it does. Shaved almost 2 seconds off of my previous best lap. P64 in the world right after I did it. I've never been so far up the leaderboard. I assume that still indicates how few people are actually running Race A or at least the qualifying laps.
I was hoping the jacked up fronts where a PP glitch only so we would avoid them in race because it looks dumb
 
Spending time doing qualy laps in Kyoto as I'm tired of getting rammed and losing SR in Race B.

Didn't want to use the same, meta car (Supra) so went with the M6. Beautiful to drive but once again, GT7 makes me really cry for not having a wheel. I'm uploading the actual qualy lap so will share later but here's the point of my statement...

I'm consistently either right behind or at max 0.3 seconds behind the ghost of the top time, which is 1:30:3 or something. Then, the last chicane before the final turn into the back straight comes and... I lose 2 seconds to him in the space of 150 meters!! 2 seconds. I've tried 50 different ways of taking the chicane but 2 second loss is my best result!

My time marker exactly before that chicane flashes at 1:04:6 so I'm not slow... Happy to record a live lap showing the ghost too as it's incredible how much time is lost. Using the joystick in such a tight and fast set of downhill corners which require so much precision is impossible. I've nailed throttle control, it's how I manage to keep up in the first place but steering is a huge limitation of the controller.

I'm loving it, don't get me wrong, but it's becoming clear that I need a rig to level the playing field with top tier racing as I always lose time in similar fashion. Otherwise, i keep up and overtake during races without issues.
 

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Spending time doing qualy laps in Kyoto as I'm tired of getting rammed and losing SR in Race B.

Didn't want to use the same, meta car (Supra) so went with the M6. Beautiful to drive but once again, GT7 makes me really cry for not having a wheel. I'm uploading the actual qualy lap so will share later but here's the point of my statement...

I'm consistently either right behind or at max 0.3 seconds behind the ghost of the top time, which is 1:30:3 or something. Then, the last chicane before the final turn into the back straight comes and... I lose 2 seconds to him in the space of 150 meters!! 2 seconds. I've tried 50 different ways of taking the chicane but 2 second loss is my best result!

My time marker exactly before that chicane flashes at 1:04:6 so I'm not slow... Happy to record a live lap showing the ghost too as it's incredible how much time is lost. Using the joystick in such a tight and fast set of downhill corners which require so much precision is impossible. I've nailed throttle control, it's how I manage to keep up in the first place but steering is a huge limitation of the controller.

I'm loving it, don't get me wrong, but it's becoming clear that I need a rig to level the playing field with top tier racing as I always lose time in similar fashion. Otherwise, i keep up and overtake during races without issues.
Have you tried motion steering? It's not perfect but it was serviceable for me before getting a wheel.
 
Spending time doing qualy laps in Kyoto as I'm tired of getting rammed and losing SR in Race B.

Didn't want to use the same, meta car (Supra) so went with the M6. Beautiful to drive but once again, GT7 makes me really cry for not having a wheel. I'm uploading the actual qualy lap so will share later but here's the point of my statement...

I'm consistently either right behind or at max 0.3 seconds behind the ghost of the top time, which is 1:30:3 or something. Then, the last chicane before the final turn into the back straight comes and... I lose 2 seconds to him in the space of 150 meters!! 2 seconds. I've tried 50 different ways of taking the chicane but 2 second loss is my best result!

My time marker exactly before that chicane flashes at 1:04:6 so I'm not slow... Happy to record a live lap showing the ghost too as it's incredible how much time is lost. Using the joystick in such a tight and fast set of downhill corners which require so much precision is impossible. I've nailed throttle control, it's how I manage to keep up in the first place but steering is a huge limitation of the controller.

I'm loving it, don't get me wrong, but it's becoming clear that I need a rig to level the playing field with top tier racing as I always lose time in similar fashion. Otherwise, i keep up and overtake during races without issues.
What's your steering sensitivity at? I'm running 8 and pulled off a 1:31.811 in the same car so I don't think the controller is the limitation moreso than how you take it - my time loss comes from the first chicane that is essentially taken by just driving across the grass lol, I suck through there.
 
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What's your steering sensitivity at? I'm running 8 and pulled off a 1:31.811 in the same car so I don't think the controller is the limitation moreso than how you take it - my time loss comes from the first chicane that is essentially taken by just driving across the grass lol, I suck through there.

Hmmm, interesting point, need to try it out. I've set everything to zero or off except ABS.

Now that I think about it, could be something I can test out for a bit and see if there is a positive difference.

Also @Artremis no i have not as me seated deep into a sofa won't work, i rest my controller on my lap so can't move 😂

This is my lap...

 
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Anyone else losing that drive to play GT7 right now?
I don’t know what it is but I’m really not enjoying the game right now. Logged on today for the first time in 5 days and set some laps on Daily B & C and I feel like Im off the pace.
Done 2 races so far, and just waiting now for my 3 race on Daily B.
1st race I used the Supra and everytime I went over the bus stop chicane they car just went spinning out off control. 4/5 laps I was facing backwards.
2nd race I used the mustang and on lap 1 everything going fine running in P4 and then my tv decided it was update time and put a big box right across my view so ended up causing a huge pile up.
Going for a 3rd race and depending how this goes depends if I call it quits for the week. Had 3/4 weeks with pretty bad results so DR taken a hit.
 
Anyone else losing that drive to play GT7 right now?
I don’t know what it is but I’m really not enjoying the game right now. Logged on today for the first time in 5 days and set some laps on Daily B & C and I feel like Im off the pace.
Done 2 races so far, and just waiting now for my 3 race on Daily B.
1st race I used the Supra and everytime I went over the bus stop chicane they car just went spinning out off control. 4/5 laps I was facing backwards.
2nd race I used the mustang and on lap 1 everything going fine running in P4 and then my tv decided it was update time and put a big box right across my view so ended up causing a huge pile up.
Going for a 3rd race and depending how this goes depends if I call it quits for the week. Had 3/4 weeks with pretty bad results so DR taken a hit.
Been a run of underwhelming combinations recently, at least the GTWS races should spice things up this weekend. I've had the most fun in those so far in the game and it doesn't give people a week to cement their positions above those with less time to run.

They really need to switch things up soon IMO with races changing more often than weekly. Frankly, F1 Manager is due soon and I'm basically filling time until then.
 
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Anyone else losing that drive to play GT7 right now?
I don’t know what it is but I’m really not enjoying the game right now. Logged on today for the first time in 5 days and set some laps on Daily B & C and I feel like Im off the pace.
Done 2 races so far, and just waiting now for my 3 race on Daily B.
1st race I used the Supra and everytime I went over the bus stop chicane they car just went spinning out off control. 4/5 laps I was facing backwards.
2nd race I used the mustang and on lap 1 everything going fine running in P4 and then my tv decided it was update time and put a big box right across my view so ended up causing a huge pile up.
Going for a 3rd race and depending how this goes depends if I call it quits for the week. Had 3/4 weeks with pretty bad results so DR taken a hit.

Race B has been cryptonite to my SR so I get your point. However, and I know and understand everyone has their preferences! But... In terms of matching the right car with the right track, Watkins is best driven in a 4WD car when in Group 4 format so could be you're off the pace for that reason...
 
Been a run of underwhelming combinations recently, at least the GTWS races should spice things up this weekend. I've had the most fun in those so far in the game and it doesn't give people a week to cement their positions above those with less time to run.

They really need to switch things up soon IMO with races changing more often than weekly. Frankly, F1 Manager is due soon and I'm basically filling time until then.
I take it all back! I love this game! Only went and easily won race 3 by 5 seconds 🤣🤣

Mustang feels good round Watkins, plus I love the track, so good combo for me.

As for the game, I know exactly what has put me off the game has been the meta cars. 3/4 weeks in a row now it been Gr3 Supra, and Gr4 GTR. Both are cars that I don’t particularly like. Plus the tracks and strategies just haven’t suited me.
Yeah the hopefully the GTWS stuff will be good. Going to skip the nations 1st race as I dont like those radical things.

Race B has been cryptonite to my SR so I get your point. However, and I know and understand everyone has their preferences! But... In terms of matching the right car with the right track, Watkins is best driven in a 4WD car when in Group 4 format so could be you're off the pace for that reason...
I get totally get people have fav tracks and fav cars and when the combos are right the game is brilliant. Just goes to show why I am a B driver too as those combos where I’m bad I just have really bad races. Need to find a solution in those bad races to jump to A.

Im so bad with 4wd cars. GTR fastest I could do was a 1.57. Mustang 1.56.4 and the Supra I did a 1.56.2
Going to stick with the Mustang for now as its quick on the straights.
 
Anyone else losing that drive to play GT7 right now?
I don’t know what it is but I’m really not enjoying the game right now. Logged on today for the first time in 5 days and set some laps on Daily B & C and I feel like Im off the pace.
Done 2 races so far, and just waiting now for my 3 race on Daily B.
1st race I used the Supra and everytime I went over the bus stop chicane they car just went spinning out off control. 4/5 laps I was facing backwards.
2nd race I used the mustang and on lap 1 everything going fine running in P4 and then my tv decided it was update time and put a big box right across my view so ended up causing a huge pile up.
Going for a 3rd race and depending how this goes depends if I call it quits for the week. Had 3/4 weeks with pretty bad results so DR taken a hit.
Yeah I still don't think they understand what people actually like about GT games, to be honest. There's nothing in Sport mode (and in lobbies, even) that ever consistently appeals to what many people loved about online in the early GT's.

I have all these road cars, all these touring cars, all these GT500 cars, and so on, that I just can never use in a good race because everything is forced to be competitive in this little groups that stay the same for an entire week.

In GT5, you could hop into online, join a shuffle race, and race something new somewhere new consistently whenever you wanted. In GT6, there were swaths of online events and lobbies for you to choose from, and even quick races had variety that went past "Road Car. Gr.3. Gr.4" because you'd see it limited to cars within a certain HP, or cars with a certain drivetrain etc. On top of these, you had the seasonal events too. Always something fresh to keep people playing.

In GT7 this week we have a BMW M3 race, at the same track all week. There's just no variety any more, and it kills me. Online lobbies are broken most of the time, but even when it works you can't limit it to road cars! I tried to host a road car lobby and half the people that joined used a car with an exploited suspension or tried to race a Gr.3/4 car until they changed or got kicked.

I really feel like they forgot what the DNA of Gran Turismo was all about. You see this in the cafe too. I fell in love with cars and their history because of the fact GT let me race whatever I worked for, wherever I wanted. In GT7, they expect you to fall in love with cars because they force you to learn about their history, and you race whatever they want you to race, wherever they want you to. It's fundamentally the wrong way around, and this design is reflected throughout the entire game.

It's not even a hard fix. Make Race A rotate daily (or hourly, or hell, make every race slot a random combination!) and the problem is solved. As of right now they have done absolutely everything wrong with it. They've given it (mostly) boring combinations with small grid sizes and it doesn't mean anything for your SR/DR so most people don't even bother. You can see this with the qualifying numbers, as @Leon Kowalski was showing. I saw someone post a photo of a race A lobby in the Discord that popped with 4 people in it earlier.

They need to funnel players into racing something that's consistently different, and therefore consistently fun. It's really not hard. I genuinely think if 1 person out of 90% of the playerbase got directive control of the game, half the surface level issues would be fixed within an hour. Penalties, SR problems, variety problems, event problems - they could all be fixed insanely quickly by someone who is passionate about fixing them, and by someone who knows what GT is about. I feel like PD don't right now. Competitive races are great, but you need something to supplement that.

Sorry for the essay lol.
 
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I take it all back! I love this game! Only went and easily won race 3 by 5 seconds 🤣🤣

Mustang feels good round Watkins, plus I love the track, so good combo for me.

As for the game, I know exactly what has put me off the game has been the meta cars. 3/4 weeks in a row now it been Gr3 Supra, and Gr4 GTR. Both are cars that I don’t particularly like. Plus the tracks and strategies just haven’t suited me.
Yeah the hopefully the GTWS stuff will be good. Going to skip the nations 1st race as I dont like those radical things.
On reflection I'm wondering if I'm just a bit bored with the routine of the game at the moment. I forget that I would go on runs in Sport and then not play the game for a few weeks if the next weeks combo didn't grab me, and I didn't feel bad about that whereas with 7 being 'live' currently there's a fear of missing out that I have if I just put the game to the side for a while.

I think it's more a me thing anyway, I'm realising, it's a shame there's nothing else particularly interesting to me out right now game wise as a break should do me good.

Apologies to all for my last few posts, a little too grumpy I think :lol:
 
Anyone else losing that drive to play GT7 right now?
I don’t know what it is but I’m really not enjoying the game right now. Logged on today for the first time in 5 days and set some laps on Daily B & C and I feel like Im off the pace.
Done 2 races so far, and just waiting now for my 3 race on Daily B.
1st race I used the Supra and everytime I went over the bus stop chicane they car just went spinning out off control. 4/5 laps I was facing backwards.
2nd race I used the mustang and on lap 1 everything going fine running in P4 and then my tv decided it was update time and put a big box right across my view so ended up causing a huge pile up.
Going for a 3rd race and depending how this goes depends if I call it quits for the week. Had 3/4 weeks with pretty bad results so DR taken a hit.
You're not the only one. The last few weeks haven't been particularly exciting to me. Two weeks ago St Croix was okay and kinda fun, but no chicane Monza for 12 laps was a snooze fest. Unfortunate as I put in a decent quali time there in the Supra (37.2) and was like 400 on the charts late in the week until the Nissan SSS came out which pushed me down.

Last week the only thing that kept me interested in all honesty was the fact A was no DR|SR. My quali lap around Bathurst was **** but didn't care where I started due to the no DR thing. Not a fan of Bathurst either but could do five laps and still kinda have fun and if I binned it, again, no DR hit so no care. One of the things in A that actually had me having some fun was I was in like five or six races with Kie later in the week and it made them interesting trying my best to keep him behind (even with him starting towards the back). :lol: Didn't do a single B or C as neither one of those races were interesting for me whatsoever.

This week I'll likely give the Glen a try and have done a couple race Cs on account #2 just starting from the back in the Mazda. Did some quali laps on the #1 account but what frustrates me is jumping over the turns on the first chicane will make or break your quali lap. Similar the wall riding glitch at HSR or curb riding glitch last time around on this track. I don't blame anyone for doing these little glitch tactics as it's basically required to get a 'good lap' and when in Rome and all that... I just think it's dumb as a whole.

Anyway, just don't have the drive to want to play too much at the moment; but, I will still play some anyway. We'll see.
 
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Maybe they should look closer at iRacing and instead of making three races that change weekly make a multitude of series that changes weekly. At the very least a Gr.4 / Gr.3 / Gr.1 series, Super Formula, Karts, touring cars, etc. The elephant in the room is how populated those races would be, which is impossible for anyone to know without knowing what the current numbers for races look like.

That one week near launch where they had karts for Race A was super fun imo, and I'd love if it was possible to compete in karts regularly instead of being at the mercy of the Gran Turismo gods granting you a weekly race for them.
 

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