GT7 Daily Race Discussion
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GrumpyOldMan
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- dagware
I'm disappointed with the other drivers at RBR. I was P7, with nothing but A and A+ drivers in front of me. It's amazing how many of them don't know the braking zones, when we're all driving the same cars. I'm not talking about when we're in a pack, but when someone is in front of me with a good gap before the next person in front of them.
I had multiple instances of people - people who have better Q times than me - braking either too early, or worse, braking until they're going too slowly for the turn. It cost me several times, not the least of which was when someone braked way too much on lap 3, and I got a 3 second penalty for forcing them off the track.
I'd like PD to institute a new penalty system: 5 second penalty for driving like a ****-head.
Then again, I'd probably get more of those penalties than I benefited from them, so never mind.
I had multiple instances of people - people who have better Q times than me - braking either too early, or worse, braking until they're going too slowly for the turn. It cost me several times, not the least of which was when someone braked way too much on lap 3, and I got a 3 second penalty for forcing them off the track.
I'd like PD to institute a new penalty system: 5 second penalty for driving like a ****-head.
Then again, I'd probably get more of those penalties than I benefited from them, so never mind.
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I usually gravitate towards gr4 / race b but I find no interest in a Mazda 3 cup so Race C Spa it is. The Supra & me don’t gel but I’ve gotten real comfortable with the McLaren. The gearing just works better for me.
I’ve also re calibrated my load cell pedals which I forgot to do last week when I stiffen the springs.
2:16.5xx is my goal for this week, probably won’t jump into a race until tomorrow
I’ve also re calibrated my load cell pedals which I forgot to do last week when I stiffen the springs.
2:16.5xx is my goal for this week, probably won’t jump into a race until tomorrow
- 183
- Oured, Osea
Story of my life. Not saying i am a good racer (maybe i just suck at qualifying?) but damn i'll never understand how some people archieved these times and then just suck so much at racing. I see and wonder about this every day. Best thing is just to stay away from them, don't fight, be passive... they will crash on their own anyways. Downside is, you just lose so much time being stuck behind them.
- 617
- Buffalo, NY
- Stilva
Well, I was looking forward to some Red Bull Ring, but that new Mazda is terrible to drive in my opinion. I forgot that I don't like driving the FF cars. Nothing else can compete so I'm done there. Might switch over to Spa, but I'm so off pace it might not be worth my time. The only cool thing I did was force myself between two other cars and made it 3 wide heading to turn 3.
- 89
- Washington
- guitargeek2112
RBR working well for me, gained a third of a bar in DR, now up to a high B. A lot of good close racing in mixed A/B lobbies.
But, I like driving FF so, every race being basically a Mazda 3 spec race isn’t an issue for me 😂
But, I like driving FF so, every race being basically a Mazda 3 spec race isn’t an issue for me 😂
- 1,751
- Australia
I ran one race at RBR in the Ferrari. Started 3rd, watched the 2 guys in front drive like absolute dunderheads in the Mazda, running deep, missing apexes and generally being less than stellar examples of fast driving. I still couldn't make up any places. I'd get a better run out of virtually every corner and have lost time again by the time we reached the next braking zone because the damn thing pulls away at a rate of knots even if you're in the slip.
Incredibly the drivers behind me were so inept that I still finished 3rd. But it's the only Race B I've done because I have zero interest in running that car.
Dep Fishtail
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- Oregon
- Deputy_Fishtail
For some reason I am really not getting on with Spa this week. I’m normally fairly competitive here but I have no pace this time around. Stuck in the 2:18’s and can’t even crack 2:17 no matter
which car I’m driving 🤷🏻♂️ (even Supra) last night I was roughly 5-6 k on the boards but tonight I’m nearly sitting at 9k.
I usually check a couple of replays and find where up or down a gear can benefit but that hasn’t worked. I guess maybe it’s time to begin using 👻 ghosts to improve they usually just distract me. Using VR so I can’t see current pace deltas, only see sector times which doesn’t help.
Spending my time on TT’s, CE’s, and practicing gtws events but really wanted to get a few daily races in this week.
which car I’m driving 🤷🏻♂️ (even Supra) last night I was roughly 5-6 k on the boards but tonight I’m nearly sitting at 9k.
I usually check a couple of replays and find where up or down a gear can benefit but that hasn’t worked. I guess maybe it’s time to begin using 👻 ghosts to improve they usually just distract me. Using VR so I can’t see current pace deltas, only see sector times which doesn’t help.
Spending my time on TT’s, CE’s, and practicing gtws events but really wanted to get a few daily races in this week.
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Lancer might be a good sleeper pick for people in Race B who don't want/like FF cars (I don't!).
Just ran it in quali and did a 1:35.7 in about 3 laps worth of driving, took me way longer to set the Mazda3's 35.8.
Don't know how it compares in the race as I haven't tried yet, but there's a chance it's something else that's competitive.
Just ran it in quali and did a 1:35.7 in about 3 laps worth of driving, took me way longer to set the Mazda3's 35.8.
Don't know how it compares in the race as I haven't tried yet, but there's a chance it's something else that's competitive.
- 864
- Pennsyltucky
- mellofello9
I've been sticking with my one-car approach and have gotten the 911 into the 16's, even if just barely. Not sure if it makes a difference or not but I went with a published tune...that I accidentally set up wrong. Luckily I ended-up preferring things 'wrong', lol:
- Bars are set at 9/9
- Front susp. at 27/37
- Rear susp. at 37/47
- Freq at 3.60/3.80
Disclaimer: I'm a DS4 pilot
Good luck and see you on the tarmac!
GrumpyOldMan
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Is it possible you meant "PS4" and not "DS4"?
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Dual Shock 4 controller I think is what he means.
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- United States
Honest, if you've cleared the single player campaign, you should be able to handle Race C. If not, get busy with it because the similar World Events can earn you a truckload of money. You can then buy the Raptor to haul it all home.
For this race specifically, not the 1 hour single player, what I did was embrace the 911's emphasis on handling. I cranked all the assists except anti lock brakes and auto drive. ABS is on weak, auto drive off. I've run both manual and automatic transmissions, auto is best here. In the SP 1 hour race, manual is best and you'll want to turn assists down at times.
Anyway... if you golfed the CE you likely had to run over some curbs.
You can set the dampers and roll bars here. On the 911, drop the dampers to minimum and reduce the anti roll settings a couple clicks. The 911 is not a fast car (that would be the F1), but as they say, "that Porsche is a weapon in the corners" and it has great acceleration. Lowering the dampers settings to minimum means the car sits further down on its suspension on the Kemmel straight and Blanchimont (long sweeping left at the end). It also helps acceleration on the short straights from Malmedy (third curve after Kemmel) to Bruxelles (hairpin), Ickx/Speaker's corner, and Pouhon (all those are in succession). Lowering the anti roll bar also lets the car sits lower at high speeds. These also smooth out the kerb impacts at Eau Rouge, Radillion, and Paul Friere.
The lowered center of gravity helps stability and reduces drag, getting perhaps 10 kph extra out of the slow Porsche.
From the start, clear the initial hairpin (Le Source). Once you gain traction, maintain wide open throttle through Eau Rouge, Radillion, and down the Kemmel. You will need to hug the concrete wall to your right on the pit straight, then cut HARD left into Eau Rouge and quickly cut hard right to avoid an off. All four wheels will leave the track, but as long as at least two remain on the kerb, you're good to go. Cut hard left again, keeping only two wheels left of the pit lines. Trim out to the right, nail it on the racing line and do not steer unless you're drafting someone. If you did it right you should clear Radillion at 240+ kph, but 230 is still good. If you're running manual, red line it in 5th til you get straightened out on the Kemmel. You need the power to climb that hill.
I recommend a late first apex at Les Combes, then set up for an early apex of Malmedy. Punch it down the straight and take Bruxelles however you like. Punch it again and early apex Ickx/Speaker, then stand on it to Pouhon. Don't bother with 6th gear. Brake til you can hit 3rd gear at Pouhon, then take it out, in, out, in, out. On the second out, stamp the pedal flat and hold it there til College, whose second turn you will early apex. The racing line here is wrong. Slow down for Stavelot, once you apex it, hit the gas and do not let up until you enter the braking zone for the chicane. You may have to let up slightly for Paul Friere, but Blanchimont can be taken at full speed. When you get to the harder left in Blanchimont, move to the right with two wheels over the line, cut hard left but avoid the kerb, and end in the right with two wheels over the line. Shift into 6th gear momentarily.
I've found exactly zero good ways to clear the chicane. The good news is you can play a lot of catch up on Eau Rouge, Radillion, and Blanchimont. If you manage to early apex that hard left in the chicane, great.
Early apex Le Source and repeat.
With brake balance at -5 the soft tires will last 6 of the 8 laps, however, the Porsche doesn't care what tires it has, only that they aren't worn out.
For this race specifically, not the 1 hour single player, what I did was embrace the 911's emphasis on handling. I cranked all the assists except anti lock brakes and auto drive. ABS is on weak, auto drive off. I've run both manual and automatic transmissions, auto is best here. In the SP 1 hour race, manual is best and you'll want to turn assists down at times.
Anyway... if you golfed the CE you likely had to run over some curbs.
You can set the dampers and roll bars here. On the 911, drop the dampers to minimum and reduce the anti roll settings a couple clicks. The 911 is not a fast car (that would be the F1), but as they say, "that Porsche is a weapon in the corners" and it has great acceleration. Lowering the dampers settings to minimum means the car sits further down on its suspension on the Kemmel straight and Blanchimont (long sweeping left at the end). It also helps acceleration on the short straights from Malmedy (third curve after Kemmel) to Bruxelles (hairpin), Ickx/Speaker's corner, and Pouhon (all those are in succession). Lowering the anti roll bar also lets the car sits lower at high speeds. These also smooth out the kerb impacts at Eau Rouge, Radillion, and Paul Friere.
The lowered center of gravity helps stability and reduces drag, getting perhaps 10 kph extra out of the slow Porsche.
From the start, clear the initial hairpin (Le Source). Once you gain traction, maintain wide open throttle through Eau Rouge, Radillion, and down the Kemmel. You will need to hug the concrete wall to your right on the pit straight, then cut HARD left into Eau Rouge and quickly cut hard right to avoid an off. All four wheels will leave the track, but as long as at least two remain on the kerb, you're good to go. Cut hard left again, keeping only two wheels left of the pit lines. Trim out to the right, nail it on the racing line and do not steer unless you're drafting someone. If you did it right you should clear Radillion at 240+ kph, but 230 is still good. If you're running manual, red line it in 5th til you get straightened out on the Kemmel. You need the power to climb that hill.
I recommend a late first apex at Les Combes, then set up for an early apex of Malmedy. Punch it down the straight and take Bruxelles however you like. Punch it again and early apex Ickx/Speaker, then stand on it to Pouhon. Don't bother with 6th gear. Brake til you can hit 3rd gear at Pouhon, then take it out, in, out, in, out. On the second out, stamp the pedal flat and hold it there til College, whose second turn you will early apex. The racing line here is wrong. Slow down for Stavelot, once you apex it, hit the gas and do not let up until you enter the braking zone for the chicane. You may have to let up slightly for Paul Friere, but Blanchimont can be taken at full speed. When you get to the harder left in Blanchimont, move to the right with two wheels over the line, cut hard left but avoid the kerb, and end in the right with two wheels over the line. Shift into 6th gear momentarily.
I've found exactly zero good ways to clear the chicane. The good news is you can play a lot of catch up on Eau Rouge, Radillion, and Blanchimont. If you manage to early apex that hard left in the chicane, great.
Early apex Le Source and repeat.
With brake balance at -5 the soft tires will last 6 of the 8 laps, however, the Porsche doesn't care what tires it has, only that they aren't worn out.
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- Ulricehamn
This makes no sense as the anti roll bar only is active when cornering and is a tool to help the car not roll in the corners.
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- mellofello9
Nope. DS4 = DualShock4/controller. I tried steering with the console but it didn't like that much.😁
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It always bugs me this in GT games.
We use to loosen the anti roll bar for wet races and tighten it for dry races for this exact reason.
They have nothing to do with ride height, purely axle tension. It's super simplified in reality all this running stuff in GT. But that's ok.
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- Ulricehamn
So you mean it really makes a difference on ride height in GT??
"The real Driving Simulator"
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- United Kingdom
I don't know is the honest answer. It depends on how simple or complex they calculate static weight as to wether it drops.
In reality the suspension shouldn't move because the springs should hold the cars with the damper force as well.
Now back in the day things like the 205 GTi had a fixed cross bar that could be tweaked to lower the rear but no modern cars run that sort of cross torque suspension. And on race cars it's always corner independent.
Edit: no I don't think it should make difference in ride height in GT7
I just don't know if it does or not.
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Dep Fishtail
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- Deputy_Fishtail
Thanks for the pointers and really appreciate the tune share as well. I saw your stellar 911 time and was keeping the 911 as a backup plan but then never tried it once totally frustrated with my performance.I've been sticking with my one-car approach and have gotten the 911 into the 16's, even if just barely. Not sure if it makes a difference or not but I went with a published tune...that I accidentally set up wrong. Luckily I ended-up preferring things 'wrong', lol:
I know 'tuning' can be frustrating for some and deemed useless by others, but I really like the way the car 'moves' with this set-up. Feels planted with tons of steering and no issues catching oversteer when it does happen.
- Bars are set at 9/9
- Front susp. at 27/37
- Rear susp. at 37/47
- Freq at 3.60/3.80
Disclaimer: I'm a DS4 pilot
Good luck and see you on the tarmac!
I’ve been using 911 in Manu so it may just click if I give it a go with your settings.
Hopefully I can get it sorted early this evening and see you on the track 😁🍻
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Makes you wonder why they’re still quick? Was following recently and they were all over the track yet I was really closing the gap.
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- Pennsyltucky
- mellofello9
I'd be surprised if it lowers due to speed/aero as that feels like something PD would drop for platform/performance reasons (processor, gpu, etc.). Kudos to them if it does. However, if it's lowering because of changes to roll bars that's surprising for completely different reasons, lol. Full transparency, I do not drive, set-up or engineer racecars IRL (doubt there were questions there, lol). So maybe this is an opportunity to learn and all but, and by design, anti roll bars shouldn't do that. 🤣
@Dep Fishtail glad to share and hope it helps. The biggest benefit to tuning for me is getting the car to suit my driving style. With any luck this set-up works for you, too.
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They* can do that but typically in race cars the strut bracing is how you introduce flex. Chassis dynamic flex is a thing and touring cars have a "form" of anti roll bars in this context but not the same a a road car would have.I'd be surprised if it lowers due to speed/aero as that feels like something PD would drop for platform/performance reasons (processor, gpu, etc.). Kudos to them if it does. However, if it's lowering because of changes to roll bars that's surprising for completely different reasons, lol. Full transparency, I do not drive, set-up or engineer racecars IRL (doubt there were questions there, lol). So maybe this is an opportunity to learn and all but, and by design, anti roll bars shouldn't do that. 🤣
@Dep Fishtail glad to share and hope it helps. The biggest benefit to tuning for me is getting the car to suit my driving style. With any luck this set-up works for you, too.
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- Ulricehamn
I did some tests in lobby and the only thing affecting ride height is thankfully "ride height". Softer suspension doesn't lower it it just makes the weight transfer more pronounced
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- UK
Hadn’t even realised there was tuning allowed in race B, in my lunchtime 1230 race today, I started p9 finished 3rd, with only bb 2 clicks back, I may have to hunt around for some tips to get me into the 1.36, decent racing though especially when it’s Mazda one make (drBsrS)
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GrumpyOldMan
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Well, I know for me, in this race, I drive it way worse than when I do QTs. Partly because of the cold tires, a bigger part because of the heavier car with a full tank of gas. But one of the big issues for me is the need to watch the rear-view mirror to see if someone is gonna try something stupid, which distracts me from driving a decent line.
EDIT/UPDATE (still there):
I wonder what the record is for consecutive races staying in DR A without going over 10%?
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